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doesn't apply to automatics because they weren't invented until after the fact, then why does the first amendment apply to the mainstream media?
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doesn't apply to automatics because they weren't invented until after the fact, then why does the first amendment apply to the mainstream media? But no Computers,and no Internet! Just to dangerous! They could rapidly convey Disinformation that way! And a special Press-Czar and a huge Staff to first Censor the Info they want to send! |
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the constitution is a tool designed to enforce the declaration of independence thus the second amendment was added as a irrevocable right to the people """""-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation""""""" from the declaration of independance now if the govt becomes as listed in the declaration how are """THE PEOPLE""" supposed to be able to abolish it as stated in the declaration if """THE PEOPLE""" can not own the same weapons as the govt the wmd of the day was the cannon what would a 18th or 19th century citizen use a cannon for yet the second amendment does not say except for a cannon or even later when the Gatling gun game about just remember criminals will get what they want somewhere and how long does it take your so called protective service o get to you IF you get a chance to call them how many gang banger have mac 10s which are not legal n never where on full automatic yet they found them so remember if you are willing o give up your rights for a false sense of security then you deserve neither the rights nor the security |
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"Those who would trade a little essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." == Benjamin Franklin
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Obviously the real issue in the US right now is the debt ceiling
and the spending priorities. I just wish that our President and Congress would focus on that rather than more stupid-azz social issues like gay marriage and anti-gun legislation. The anti-gun legislation is IMO almost a complete waste of time because it cannot prevent massacres like Newtown from occurring in the future and cannot even limit the severity of such nutball suicide attacks. So why waste all this time and effort on a pointless ineffectual gesture when we have real extremely serious economic issues pressing which need to be addressed immediately.  This kind of nonsense just really makes me angry. These idiots are completely frittering away time and money on window dressing while not dealing with problems which will really do damage to all of us on a massive scale if they are not aggressively pursued NOW.  C'mon you ding dongs...stop wasting my time and money and get down to working on something that is actually productive!! 
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Obviously the real issue in the US right now is the debt ceiling and the spending priorities. I just wish that our President and Congress would focus on that rather than more stupid-azz social issues like gay marriage and anti-gun legislation. The anti-gun legislation is IMO almost a complete waste of time because it cannot prevent massacres like Newtown from occurring in the future and cannot even limit the severity of such nutball suicide attacks. So why waste all this time and effort on a pointless ineffectual gesture when we have real extremely serious economic issues pressing which need to be addressed immediately. This kind of nonsense just really makes me angry. These idiots are completely frittering away time and money on window dressing while not dealing with problems which will really do damage to all of us on a massive scale if they are not aggressively pursued NOW. C'mon you ding dongs...stop wasting my time and money and get down to working on something that is actually productive!! uhhhh slow buddy, it's because they have no clue how to fix the debt, or a desire to try, that they want our guns.... |
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I hope you all enjoy the work that went into this by members of the DP, and myself to sort and hyperlink it here. All the property of this country now belongs to the state and will be used for the good of the state. ~ FDR 1933 You can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. ~ Ayn Rand The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about and refuse to investigate. ~ Dr. Wayne Dyer Here are the recent SHERIFF'S LETTERS on gun control laws: --------------------------------------- Sheriff Cannon says he will ignore any gun control measures he deems unconstitutional http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130118/PC16/130119251/1165/sheriff-cannon-says-he-will-ignore-any-gun-control-measures-he-seems-unconstitutional --------------------------------------- Linn County Oregon Sheriff Tim Mueller Will Not Enforce Unconstitutional Gun Laws: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57564214/oregon-sheriff-i-wont-enforce-new-gun-laws-i-deem-unconstitutional/ --------------------------------------- Larimer County (Colorado) Sheriff Justin Smith says he won't enforce gun laws he considers unconstitutional: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/larimer-sherif-wont-enforce-laws-he-considers-unconstitutional --------------------------------------- Crook County (Oregon) Sheriff Jim Hensley Will Follow the Constitution: MUST read letter: http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Letter+to+VP+Biden+011513.pdf --------------------------------------- DOUGLAS COUNTY, Ore. -- Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin has sent a letter 'I will NOT violate my constitutional oath' http://www.kpic.com/news/local/Douglas-County-sheriff--187165681.html --------------------------------------- Pine County (Minnesota) Sheriff Robin Cole Will Not Enforce Further Federal Gun Regulations: http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/255814/ --------------------------------------- Madison County (Alabama) Sheriff Blake Dorning Says Gun Control Laws That Violate Constitution Won’t Be Enforced: http://whnt.com/2013/01/16/madison-sheriff-gun-control-laws-that-violate-constitution-wont-be-enforced/ --------------------------------------- Smith County (Texas) Sheriff Larry Smith says he will not enforce an unconstitutional law that takes away firearms from law abiding citizens in Smith County: http://www.infowars.com/many-more-sheriffs-vow-not-to-enforce-federal-gun-control-laws/ --------------------------------------- Martin County (Florida) Sheriff Bill Snyder says his department can't support Federal gun rules: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_martin_county/stuart/martin-co-sheriff-says-his-department-cant-support-federal-gun-rules --------------------------------------- Fresno County (California) Sheriff Margaret Mims says she will not enforce any gun control that she sees as unconstitutional, and won't infringe upon the right to bear arms: http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=8958407 --------------------------------------- Jackson County (Kentucky) Sheriff Denny Peyman says he won't enforce new gun laws he considers unconstitutional: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/14/2475649/kentucky-sheriff-says-he-wont.html |
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Obviously the real issue in the US right now is the debt ceiling and the spending priorities. I just wish that our President and Congress would focus on that rather than more stupid-azz social issues like gay marriage and anti-gun legislation. The anti-gun legislation is IMO almost a complete waste of time because it cannot prevent massacres like Newtown from occurring in the future and cannot even limit the severity of such nutball suicide attacks. So why waste all this time and effort on a pointless ineffectual gesture when we have real extremely serious economic issues pressing which need to be addressed immediately. This kind of nonsense just really makes me angry. These idiots are completely frittering away time and money on window dressing while not dealing with problems which will really do damage to all of us on a massive scale if they are not aggressively pursued NOW. C'mon you ding dongs...stop wasting my time and money and get down to working on something that is actually productive!! uhhhh slow buddy, it's because they have no clue how to fix the debt, or a desire to try, that they want our guns.... they don't want our guns and are not trying to take our guns. they know how to reduce the spending and how to raise the debt ceiling. I think that Obama is merely tweaking Congress. He views the debt ceiling and spending issue to be their responsibility (and there is a lot of truth in that) and as long as Congress keeps wringing their hands, refusing to pay for their expenditures, and fighting with each other about spending priorities then Obama is going to dcik around with stupid social agenda legislation and his number 1 priority in that area is apparently ineffectual gun control measures which can never stop or reduce in any way nutball attacks on innocent people. What a farce!! Now Congress and the President both look stupid!!
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Fri 01/18/13 08:17 PM
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Obviously the real issue in the US right now is the debt ceiling and the spending priorities. I just wish that our President and Congress would focus on that rather than more stupid-azz social issues like gay marriage and anti-gun legislation. The anti-gun legislation is IMO almost a complete waste of time because it cannot prevent massacres like Newtown from occurring in the future and cannot even limit the severity of such nutball suicide attacks. So why waste all this time and effort on a pointless ineffectual gesture when we have real extremely serious economic issues pressing which need to be addressed immediately. This kind of nonsense just really makes me angry. These idiots are completely frittering away time and money on window dressing while not dealing with problems which will really do damage to all of us on a massive scale if they are not aggressively pursued NOW. C'mon you ding dongs...stop wasting my time and money and get down to working on something that is actually productive!! uhhhh slow buddy, it's because they have no clue how to fix the debt, or a desire to try, that they want our guns.... they don't want our guns and are not trying to take our guns. they know how to reduce the spending and how to raise the debt ceiling. I think that Obama is merely tweaking Congress. He views the debt ceiling and spending issue to be their responsibility (and there is a lot of truth in that) and as long as Congress keeps wringing their hands, refusing to pay for their expenditures, and fighting with each other about spending priorities then Obama is going to dcik around with stupid social agenda legislation and his number 1 priority in that area is apparently ineffectual gun control measures which can never stop or reduce in any way nutball attacks on innocent people. What a farce!! Now Congress and the President both look stupid!! I agree.... to a point.... Congress will never come together to fix anything tho because there are only 2 parties represented, infighting in both causing division, and both want to have the final say about what they support. Neither care how much it will cost or how to pay for it.... in the end, we the people get the bill because they have already overspent their allowance, bailed out the banks and auto industry, financed 2 wars, drained SS, stolen our 401ks, and outsourced or killed our jobs and industry that supplies the revenue! As I said, even if they could, they can't or won't fix anything because to do so they would have to admit their greed, corruption and fraud. That will bring the people to the streets.... and they don't want them armed! It will happen, it is inevitable....we're broke and the people are jobless and on welfare that will end soon... both products of congress! |
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I have mailed my representatives, asking them to support any impeachment proceedings, and if none are presented, to invoke the impeachment process, citing the below.
"The executive orders do violate the constitution of the United States, with regard to the oath of the Presidency, therefore, it becomes a matter of dictatorship, rather than a democracy. Did the man swear under the Presidential oath, to uphold the constitution, or did he not? Well, upholding such an oath, means following protocol. It does not give him the right to override or forgo the normal process of lawmaking. Executive orders should only be used in extreme cases, such as war. He has truly overstepped his bounds, and is using the orders with disregard to the integrity of the office he holds." |
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I have mailed my representatives, asking them to support any impeachment proceedings, and if none are presented, to invoke the impeachment process, citing the below. "The executive orders do violate the constitution of the United States, with regard to the oath of the Presidency, therefore, it becomes a matter of dictatorship, rather than a democracy. Did the man swear under the Presidential oath, to uphold the constitution, or did he not? Well, upholding such an oath, means following protocol. It does not give him the right to override or forgo the normal process of lawmaking. Executive orders should only be used in extreme cases, such as war. He has truly overstepped his bounds, and is using the orders with disregard to the integrity of the office he holds."  I respect a person of actions!
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Fri 01/18/13 09:40 PM
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they know how to reduce the spending and how to raise the debt ceiling. That isn't a workable solution. Raising the debt ceiling is the equivalent of getting your credit card maximum balance raised because you've charged too much in the first place and have exceeded it. Obviously if you can't make the payments on the existing balance, raising it isn't gonna help much. Same applies to government. The only realistic solution is to let the creditors (the people) foreclose and take over the running of the country. Iceland stands as a good example...Screw the Fed...abolish it! Once that is done, and the people have appointed public servants who will do their proper jobs, a social credit monetary system could be introduced that would keep the country's wealth in the country (thus making the US an economically sovereign country), eliminate income tax on people, and replace the national debt with a national dividend. The system would be very much like Lincoln's Greenbacks, which don't have to be repaid at interest (unlike the federal reserve notes). There is a strong suspicion that his greenbacks were what got him assassinated. |
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doesn't apply to automatics because they weren't invented until after the fact, then why does the first amendment apply to the mainstream media? it probably shouldnt,,,, but, thank goodness for a living document that can be amended with the times,,,,we can always hope ,,, |
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doesn't apply to automatics because they weren't invented until after the fact, then why does the first amendment apply to the mainstream media? it probably shouldnt,,,, but, thank goodness for a living document that can be amended with the times,,,,we can always hope ,,, Great,good luck! You really think by amending the 2nd Amendment you automatically restrict Inaliable Rights! Your Rights are yours,inherent in you! THEY ARE NOT A GIFT FROM THE GOVERNMENT! |
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doesn't apply to automatics because they weren't invented until after the fact, then why does the first amendment apply to the mainstream media? it probably shouldnt,,,, but, thank goodness for a living document that can be amended with the times,,,,we can always hope ,,, Great,good luck! You really think by amending the 2nd Amendment you automatically restrict Inaliable Rights! Your Rights are yours,inherent in you! THEY ARE NOT A GIFT FROM THE GOVERNMENT! its been done several times before, the writers of the constitution itself intended people to propose 'amending' it,,, people can make it as simple or complicated as they want to,,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 01/19/13 12:54 AM
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I have mailed my representatives, asking them to support any impeachment proceedings, and if none are presented, to invoke the impeachment process, citing the below. "The executive orders do violate the constitution of the United States, with regard to the oath of the Presidency, therefore, it becomes a matter of dictatorship, rather than a democracy. Did the man swear under the Presidential oath, to uphold the constitution, or did he not? Well, upholding such an oath, means following protocol. It does not give him the right to override or forgo the normal process of lawmaking. Executive orders should only be used in extreme cases, such as war. He has truly overstepped his bounds, and is using the orders with disregard to the integrity of the office he holds." I respect a person of actions! executive orders are given by the EXECUTIVE branch in directing Federal offices and agencies,,,,,you know, like a DIRECTOR would do,,,,lol Executive Orders have two main functions: to modify how an executive branch department or agency does its job (rule change) or to modify existing law, if such authority has been granted to the President by Congress. (http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#execord) and Im not sure its at all even relevant, as I still do not find these alleged executive orders anywhere all I find is three presidential MEMORANDUMS,and they pertain to the way different agencies do their jobs,,, they can be researched at the white house website, no executive orders signed yet this year |
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doesn't apply to automatics because they weren't invented until after the fact, then why does the first amendment apply to the mainstream media? it probably shouldnt,,,, but, thank goodness for a living document that can be amended with the times,,,,we can always hope ,,, Great,good luck! You really think by amending the 2nd Amendment you automatically restrict Inaliable Rights! Your Rights are yours,inherent in you! THEY ARE NOT A GIFT FROM THE GOVERNMENT! its been done several times before, the writers of the constitution itself intended people to propose 'amending' it,,, people can make it as simple or complicated as they want to,,,, Fundamental Rights are just that,Fundamental Rights! They are not given by Government! Unless you think that your Right to Life is a Gift by Government!  Let me know what Book you read it in! The right of the people to keep and bear arms is an extension of the natural right to self-defense and a hallmark of personal sovereignty. It is specifically insulated from governmental interference by the Constitution and has historically been the linchpin of resistance to tyranny. If you don't feel like exercising that Right that's OK,but trying to curtail it for others is pure Statism! |
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Edited by
msharmony
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doesn't apply to automatics because they weren't invented until after the fact, then why does the first amendment apply to the mainstream media? it probably shouldnt,,,, but, thank goodness for a living document that can be amended with the times,,,,we can always hope ,,, Great,good luck! You really think by amending the 2nd Amendment you automatically restrict Inaliable Rights! Your Rights are yours,inherent in you! THEY ARE NOT A GIFT FROM THE GOVERNMENT! its been done several times before, the writers of the constitution itself intended people to propose 'amending' it,,, people can make it as simple or complicated as they want to,,,, Fundamental Rights are just that,Fundamental Rights! They are not given by Government! Unless you think that your Right to Life is a Gift by Government! Let me know what Book you read it in! The right of the people to keep and bear arms is an extension of the natural right to self-defense and a hallmark of personal sovereignty. It is specifically insulated from governmental interference by the Constitution and has historically been the linchpin of resistance to tyranny. If you don't feel like exercising that Right that's OK,but trying to curtail it for others is pure Statism! AMD? if you have to purchase a PRODUCT, those making the product in a capitalistic country, making profits off of selling that product, getting government 'perks' for making and investing those profits,,,control which products you get to pick natural rights have nothing to do with man made objects my right to defend myself, naturally, has nothing to do with a man made semi,,,,my NATURAL Right would stop with my hands and what I could create on my own,,, and BTW buying a gun is not necessarily mandated to 'keep and bear arms' |
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doesn't apply to automatics because they weren't invented until after the fact, then why does the first amendment apply to the mainstream media? it probably shouldnt,,,, but, thank goodness for a living document that can be amended with the times,,,,we can always hope ,,, Great,good luck! You really think by amending the 2nd Amendment you automatically restrict Inaliable Rights! Your Rights are yours,inherent in you! THEY ARE NOT A GIFT FROM THE GOVERNMENT! its been done several times before, the writers of the constitution itself intended people to propose 'amending' it,,, people can make it as simple or complicated as they want to,,,, Fundamental Rights are just that,Fundamental Rights! They are not given by Government! Unless you think that your Right to Life is a Gift by Government! Let me know what Book you read it in! The right of the people to keep and bear arms is an extension of the natural right to self-defense and a hallmark of personal sovereignty. It is specifically insulated from governmental interference by the Constitution and has historically been the linchpin of resistance to tyranny. If you don't feel like exercising that Right that's OK,but trying to curtail it for others is pure Statism! AMD? if you have to purchase a PRODUCT, those making the product in a capitalistic country, making profits off of selling that product, getting government 'perks' for making and investing those profits,,,control which products you get to pick natural rights have nothing to do with man made objects my right to defend myself, naturally, has nothing to do with a man made semi,,,,my NATURAL Right would stop with my hands and what I could create on my own,,, and BTW buying a gun is not necessarily mandated to 'keep and bear arms' All you do is mincing words,Lawyer-Style!
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