Topic: The Madness of the US Gun Culture
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The Madness of the US Gun Culture Politics | Denis G Campbell | January 14, 2013 3:00 am
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This is The Monday Line
by Denis G. Campbell

My birth country has gone starkers! Friends across Europe ask the same question, ‘are there that many guns in the USA?’ My answer never varies; ‘there are more!’

Living in a Welsh village has advantages. My kids go to school without guards and metal detectors. Kids here are just as rowdy and boisterous as anywhere else. My son had a jacket lining ripped out in a roughhousing incident. There was no police lockdown. Neither he nor the other kid involved ran home to grab a firearm to scare the other off. It was sorted, done.

There are virtually no guns in Europe. Even hunters with shotguns cradle them safely in their arms walking through fields hunting dove, pheasant and rabbit. They walk in a single line, shotguns popped safely open, they communicate, there is a lookout ensuring no one is in the area and when it is time to shoot, they snap the rifle shut and fire one shot as needed. They are not in the fields with AR-15 assault rifles spraying 100 bullet clips.


UK police (except for SWAT or other special units) mostly don’t carry firearms. They have a taser pack on their belt. When kids are spoken to by a PC (Police Constable) they move on. Compare and contrast with the US. In order to enter a school building one must navigate locked doors, buzzers, metal detectors and are monitored by CCTV cameras. That’s not enough? There are calls to arm teachers, administrators, janitors and post armed guards?

Wing nuts, urged on by FOX News and a Republican/GOP/Tea Party off its rocker, are gobbling up assault weapons at a dizzying rate. Said a Midwestern gun shop dealer to a NY Times reporter, “If I had 1,000 AR-15s I could sell them in a week.” AR-15, the assault weapon Adam Lanza killed 28 with in Newtown, Connecticut.

Gun nut rationale? ‘I’m defending my 2nd amendment rights.’ The government is once again so cowed, it will likely throw its hands up in defeat on renewing an assault weapons ban in the USA for fear of the National Rifle Assocation (NRA).

If these are ‘second amendment’ rights, does anyone understand that an amendment is something added to change an original document, in this case the Constitution?

I know I don’t want people from 235 years ago telling me how to live my 2013 life. Worse is we allow legislators and judges to look into a crystal ball to divine for their own political gain what was really meant back in 1787.

The framers of the Constitution and their ‘strict intent’ is what we hear referenced over and over again as the justification for doing nothing that was not specifically proscribed word for word in that sacred text. What? Was it carved in stone tablets by the hand of God and brought down from Mount Philadelphia by Charlton Heston playing Moses?

The framers did an excellent, thoughtful job crafting the original. Are we now to believe they gazed into the future and predicted today’s technology? Does anyone believe the framers foresaw the day where single shot muskets (which took several seconds to reload) would be replaced by semi-automatic rifles shooting 4-5 rounds a second? It’s pretty clear their only intention was to ensure a ready militia in a land without vehicles or good roads.

Now gun advocates threaten that ANY new measures could foment “The Next American Revolution?” So they recommend armed insurgency to protect their guns? Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh “jumped the shark” encouraging dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with new gun laws. Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.”

And it gets sillier by the minute: An Ohio school board voted to arm janitors. A Utah town wants to make it mandatory for everyone to carry handguns, even in classrooms! (What could possibly go wrong?) Utah state law allows teachers to carry concealed weapons (anyone with a special permit can) without telling parents teachers in their child’s school are armed?

How did 3 million NRA members armed with an insane amount of cash (poorly spent as they won a disastrously low 0.83% of their races in 2012) get to bully 330 million Americans? Who needs an AR-15 and 100 bullets to hunt Bambi? 100 rapidly fired bullets won’t just kill that deer, it will vaporise it! Where’s the ‘sport’ in that?

And we have Bubba packing canned goods into an underground bunker planning to overthrow the government, yet the GOP House ignores him? They fight all attempts to bring sanity to the gun discussion, choosing instead to spend hours in meaningless show-hearings aimed at brown-skinned Muslim men, the convenient post 9-11 whipping boys, whilst ignore the real white supremacist militia threats from within? The lunatics run the asylum.

I’m frequently asked if I’ll live in the USA again? I answer, ‘not likely. Why would I put my kids in armed camp schools when our village and local schools focus on educating vs. handgun training?’ Why would I exchange politely flashing my headlamps to allow another to pass on a narrow roadway for the too real possibility of dying from a road rage gun? Why return to a country where up to 25% of my net income is spent insuring and receiving healthcare from the most expensive, yet 37th ranked provider in the world, when it’s free here?

Why return to a nation where in the midst of a flu epidemic, people cannot afford to lose time from work because the sick leave I had when I worked there two decades ago is legally no longer provided by their employer? And vacation is now also taboo in the USA while a month is the norm across the EU. We know that a well-rested, recharged worker does better at their job! We also don’t rush women back to work after childbirth, recognising this is a critical time in child rearing. Even Dads get leave to help out at home and be a part of the birthing and child raising process.

I moved to Europe for love. I’ve stayed 15 years because I love the way people look out for each other. But that’s derisively called ‘socialism’ in the US? So be it. Here’s my real question, why would I return to a nation that has lost its ability to care for those without means, what used to be its heart and its soul?

America was once the most caring nation in the world, now it slaps a flag and says support out troops without any real sense of sacrifice. It too is for show. And having spent 40 years there, I’m gutted by this. The cesspit of corruption fuelled by resigned voter apathy is so bad even actor Jackie Chan last week called the US, ‘The most corrupt nation in the world.’

It was not always that way. It can change in an instant. People must stop letting the wingnut with the loudest voice win. Stand for something! Otherwise… you stand for nothing.

Also broadcast as a Special Comment on World View with Denis Campbell

UK Progressive magazine



lol, I lived in wales for a year, it is beautiful.

you should check out the daily show with john stewart that aired tonight,, it shows how lobbying and politics has really tied the hands of the main people in charge of going after gun runners and criminals,, THE ATF,,lol, which has had no director for six years,, because a politician in with the NRA put in a spending bill that CONGRESS has to approve that position,,,and the fact that we still have the same number of ATF agents 2500 that we did thirty years ago...

tells ya, the gun industry here is mega profitable and mega powerful, and things are not gonna change anytime soon,,,,

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Thu 01/17/13 05:33 AM
.. thats 2500 ATF agents too many.

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Thu 01/17/13 06:24 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 01/17/13 06:25 AM


The Madness of the US Gun Culture Politics | Denis G Campbell | January 14, 2013 3:00 am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is The Monday Line
by Denis G. Campbell

My birth country has gone starkers! Friends across Europe ask the same question, ‘are there that many guns in the USA?’ My answer never varies; ‘there are more!’

Living in a Welsh village has advantages. My kids go to school without guards and metal detectors. Kids here are just as rowdy and boisterous as anywhere else. My son had a jacket lining ripped out in a roughhousing incident. There was no police lockdown. Neither he nor the other kid involved ran home to grab a firearm to scare the other off. It was sorted, done.

There are virtually no guns in Europe. Even hunters with shotguns cradle them safely in their arms walking through fields hunting dove, pheasant and rabbit. They walk in a single line, shotguns popped safely open, they communicate, there is a lookout ensuring no one is in the area and when it is time to shoot, they snap the rifle shut and fire one shot as needed. They are not in the fields with AR-15 assault rifles spraying 100 bullet clips.


UK police (except for SWAT or other special units) mostly don’t carry firearms. They have a taser pack on their belt. When kids are spoken to by a PC (Police Constable) they move on. Compare and contrast with the US. In order to enter a school building one must navigate locked doors, buzzers, metal detectors and are monitored by CCTV cameras. That’s not enough? There are calls to arm teachers, administrators, janitors and post armed guards?

Wing nuts, urged on by FOX News and a Republican/GOP/Tea Party off its rocker, are gobbling up assault weapons at a dizzying rate. Said a Midwestern gun shop dealer to a NY Times reporter, “If I had 1,000 AR-15s I could sell them in a week.” AR-15, the assault weapon Adam Lanza killed 28 with in Newtown, Connecticut.

Gun nut rationale? ‘I’m defending my 2nd amendment rights.’ The government is once again so cowed, it will likely throw its hands up in defeat on renewing an assault weapons ban in the USA for fear of the National Rifle Assocation (NRA).

If these are ‘second amendment’ rights, does anyone understand that an amendment is something added to change an original document, in this case the Constitution?

I know I don’t want people from 235 years ago telling me how to live my 2013 life. Worse is we allow legislators and judges to look into a crystal ball to divine for their own political gain what was really meant back in 1787.

The framers of the Constitution and their ‘strict intent’ is what we hear referenced over and over again as the justification for doing nothing that was not specifically proscribed word for word in that sacred text. What? Was it carved in stone tablets by the hand of God and brought down from Mount Philadelphia by Charlton Heston playing Moses?

The framers did an excellent, thoughtful job crafting the original. Are we now to believe they gazed into the future and predicted today’s technology? Does anyone believe the framers foresaw the day where single shot muskets (which took several seconds to reload) would be replaced by semi-automatic rifles shooting 4-5 rounds a second? It’s pretty clear their only intention was to ensure a ready militia in a land without vehicles or good roads.

Now gun advocates threaten that ANY new measures could foment “The Next American Revolution?” So they recommend armed insurgency to protect their guns? Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh “jumped the shark” encouraging dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with new gun laws. Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.”

And it gets sillier by the minute: An Ohio school board voted to arm janitors. A Utah town wants to make it mandatory for everyone to carry handguns, even in classrooms! (What could possibly go wrong?) Utah state law allows teachers to carry concealed weapons (anyone with a special permit can) without telling parents teachers in their child’s school are armed?

How did 3 million NRA members armed with an insane amount of cash (poorly spent as they won a disastrously low 0.83% of their races in 2012) get to bully 330 million Americans? Who needs an AR-15 and 100 bullets to hunt Bambi? 100 rapidly fired bullets won’t just kill that deer, it will vaporise it! Where’s the ‘sport’ in that?

And we have Bubba packing canned goods into an underground bunker planning to overthrow the government, yet the GOP House ignores him? They fight all attempts to bring sanity to the gun discussion, choosing instead to spend hours in meaningless show-hearings aimed at brown-skinned Muslim men, the convenient post 9-11 whipping boys, whilst ignore the real white supremacist militia threats from within? The lunatics run the asylum.

I’m frequently asked if I’ll live in the USA again? I answer, ‘not likely. Why would I put my kids in armed camp schools when our village and local schools focus on educating vs. handgun training?’ Why would I exchange politely flashing my headlamps to allow another to pass on a narrow roadway for the too real possibility of dying from a road rage gun? Why return to a country where up to 25% of my net income is spent insuring and receiving healthcare from the most expensive, yet 37th ranked provider in the world, when it’s free here?

Why return to a nation where in the midst of a flu epidemic, people cannot afford to lose time from work because the sick leave I had when I worked there two decades ago is legally no longer provided by their employer? And vacation is now also taboo in the USA while a month is the norm across the EU. We know that a well-rested, recharged worker does better at their job! We also don’t rush women back to work after childbirth, recognising this is a critical time in child rearing. Even Dads get leave to help out at home and be a part of the birthing and child raising process.

I moved to Europe for love. I’ve stayed 15 years because I love the way people look out for each other. But that’s derisively called ‘socialism’ in the US? So be it. Here’s my real question, why would I return to a nation that has lost its ability to care for those without means, what used to be its heart and its soul?

America was once the most caring nation in the world, now it slaps a flag and says support out troops without any real sense of sacrifice. It too is for show. And having spent 40 years there, I’m gutted by this. The cesspit of corruption fuelled by resigned voter apathy is so bad even actor Jackie Chan last week called the US, ‘The most corrupt nation in the world.’

It was not always that way. It can change in an instant. People must stop letting the wingnut with the loudest voice win. Stand for something! Otherwise… you stand for nothing.

Also broadcast as a Special Comment on World View with Denis Campbell

UK Progressive magazine



lol, I lived in wales for a year, it is beautiful.

you should check out the daily show with john stewart that aired tonight,, it shows how lobbying and politics has really tied the hands of the main people in charge of going after gun runners and criminals,, THE ATF,,lol, which has had no director for six years,, because a politician in with the NRA put in a spending bill that CONGRESS has to approve that position,,,and the fact that we still have the same number of ATF agents 2500 that we did thirty years ago...

tells ya, the gun industry here is mega profitable and mega powerful, and things are not gonna change anytime soon,,,,
What has happened about Eric and Barry the Gunrunning-Team?
And you have the Cheek to accuse Lawful Gunowners of stifling Government to apprehend Criminals?Now I really have heard it all!
You really need to go one better!:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: rofl rofl rofl

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Thu 01/17/13 06:26 AM



The Madness of the US Gun Culture Politics | Denis G Campbell | January 14, 2013 3:00 am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is The Monday Line
by Denis G. Campbell

My birth country has gone starkers! Friends across Europe ask the same question, ‘are there that many guns in the USA?’ My answer never varies; ‘there are more!’

Living in a Welsh village has advantages. My kids go to school without guards and metal detectors. Kids here are just as rowdy and boisterous as anywhere else. My son had a jacket lining ripped out in a roughhousing incident. There was no police lockdown. Neither he nor the other kid involved ran home to grab a firearm to scare the other off. It was sorted, done.

There are virtually no guns in Europe. Even hunters with shotguns cradle them safely in their arms walking through fields hunting dove, pheasant and rabbit. They walk in a single line, shotguns popped safely open, they communicate, there is a lookout ensuring no one is in the area and when it is time to shoot, they snap the rifle shut and fire one shot as needed. They are not in the fields with AR-15 assault rifles spraying 100 bullet clips.


UK police (except for SWAT or other special units) mostly don’t carry firearms. They have a taser pack on their belt. When kids are spoken to by a PC (Police Constable) they move on. Compare and contrast with the US. In order to enter a school building one must navigate locked doors, buzzers, metal detectors and are monitored by CCTV cameras. That’s not enough? There are calls to arm teachers, administrators, janitors and post armed guards?

Wing nuts, urged on by FOX News and a Republican/GOP/Tea Party off its rocker, are gobbling up assault weapons at a dizzying rate. Said a Midwestern gun shop dealer to a NY Times reporter, “If I had 1,000 AR-15s I could sell them in a week.” AR-15, the assault weapon Adam Lanza killed 28 with in Newtown, Connecticut.

Gun nut rationale? ‘I’m defending my 2nd amendment rights.’ The government is once again so cowed, it will likely throw its hands up in defeat on renewing an assault weapons ban in the USA for fear of the National Rifle Assocation (NRA).

If these are ‘second amendment’ rights, does anyone understand that an amendment is something added to change an original document, in this case the Constitution?

I know I don’t want people from 235 years ago telling me how to live my 2013 life. Worse is we allow legislators and judges to look into a crystal ball to divine for their own political gain what was really meant back in 1787.

The framers of the Constitution and their ‘strict intent’ is what we hear referenced over and over again as the justification for doing nothing that was not specifically proscribed word for word in that sacred text. What? Was it carved in stone tablets by the hand of God and brought down from Mount Philadelphia by Charlton Heston playing Moses?

The framers did an excellent, thoughtful job crafting the original. Are we now to believe they gazed into the future and predicted today’s technology? Does anyone believe the framers foresaw the day where single shot muskets (which took several seconds to reload) would be replaced by semi-automatic rifles shooting 4-5 rounds a second? It’s pretty clear their only intention was to ensure a ready militia in a land without vehicles or good roads.

Now gun advocates threaten that ANY new measures could foment “The Next American Revolution?” So they recommend armed insurgency to protect their guns? Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh “jumped the shark” encouraging dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with new gun laws. Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.”

And it gets sillier by the minute: An Ohio school board voted to arm janitors. A Utah town wants to make it mandatory for everyone to carry handguns, even in classrooms! (What could possibly go wrong?) Utah state law allows teachers to carry concealed weapons (anyone with a special permit can) without telling parents teachers in their child’s school are armed?

How did 3 million NRA members armed with an insane amount of cash (poorly spent as they won a disastrously low 0.83% of their races in 2012) get to bully 330 million Americans? Who needs an AR-15 and 100 bullets to hunt Bambi? 100 rapidly fired bullets won’t just kill that deer, it will vaporise it! Where’s the ‘sport’ in that?

And we have Bubba packing canned goods into an underground bunker planning to overthrow the government, yet the GOP House ignores him? They fight all attempts to bring sanity to the gun discussion, choosing instead to spend hours in meaningless show-hearings aimed at brown-skinned Muslim men, the convenient post 9-11 whipping boys, whilst ignore the real white supremacist militia threats from within? The lunatics run the asylum.

I’m frequently asked if I’ll live in the USA again? I answer, ‘not likely. Why would I put my kids in armed camp schools when our village and local schools focus on educating vs. handgun training?’ Why would I exchange politely flashing my headlamps to allow another to pass on a narrow roadway for the too real possibility of dying from a road rage gun? Why return to a country where up to 25% of my net income is spent insuring and receiving healthcare from the most expensive, yet 37th ranked provider in the world, when it’s free here?

Why return to a nation where in the midst of a flu epidemic, people cannot afford to lose time from work because the sick leave I had when I worked there two decades ago is legally no longer provided by their employer? And vacation is now also taboo in the USA while a month is the norm across the EU. We know that a well-rested, recharged worker does better at their job! We also don’t rush women back to work after childbirth, recognising this is a critical time in child rearing. Even Dads get leave to help out at home and be a part of the birthing and child raising process.

I moved to Europe for love. I’ve stayed 15 years because I love the way people look out for each other. But that’s derisively called ‘socialism’ in the US? So be it. Here’s my real question, why would I return to a nation that has lost its ability to care for those without means, what used to be its heart and its soul?

America was once the most caring nation in the world, now it slaps a flag and says support out troops without any real sense of sacrifice. It too is for show. And having spent 40 years there, I’m gutted by this. The cesspit of corruption fuelled by resigned voter apathy is so bad even actor Jackie Chan last week called the US, ‘The most corrupt nation in the world.’

It was not always that way. It can change in an instant. People must stop letting the wingnut with the loudest voice win. Stand for something! Otherwise… you stand for nothing.

Also broadcast as a Special Comment on World View with Denis Campbell

UK Progressive magazine



lol, I lived in wales for a year, it is beautiful.

you should check out the daily show with john stewart that aired tonight,, it shows how lobbying and politics has really tied the hands of the main people in charge of going after gun runners and criminals,, THE ATF,,lol, which has had no director for six years,, because a politician in with the NRA put in a spending bill that CONGRESS has to approve that position,,,and the fact that we still have the same number of ATF agents 2500 that we did thirty years ago...

tells ya, the gun industry here is mega profitable and mega powerful, and things are not gonna change anytime soon,,,,
What has happened about Eric and Barry the Gunrunning-Team?
And you have the Cheek to accuse Lawful Gunowners of stifling Government to apprehend Criminals?
You really need to go one better!:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: rofl rofl rofl



its not an accusation, do some research

and exceptions still do not eliminate reality


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Thu 01/17/13 06:35 AM

lol, I lived in wales for a year, it is beautiful.

you should check out the daily show with john stewart that aired tonight,, it shows how lobbying and politics has really tied the hands of the main people in charge of going after gun runners and criminals,, THE ATF,,lol, which has had no director for six years,, because a politician in with the NRA put in a spending bill that CONGRESS has to approve that position,,,and the fact that we still have the same number of ATF agents 2500 that we did thirty years ago...

tells ya, the gun industry here is mega profitable and mega powerful, and things are not gonna change anytime soon,,,,


Interesting Response, Thanks!!!

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Thu 01/17/13 06:39 AM



The Madness of the US Gun Culture Politics | Denis G Campbell | January 14, 2013 3:00 am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is The Monday Line
by Denis G. Campbell

My birth country has gone starkers! Friends across Europe ask the same question, ‘are there that many guns in the USA?’ My answer never varies; ‘there are more!’

Living in a Welsh village has advantages. My kids go to school without guards and metal detectors. Kids here are just as rowdy and boisterous as anywhere else. My son had a jacket lining ripped out in a roughhousing incident. There was no police lockdown. Neither he nor the other kid involved ran home to grab a firearm to scare the other off. It was sorted, done.

There are virtually no guns in Europe. Even hunters with shotguns cradle them safely in their arms walking through fields hunting dove, pheasant and rabbit. They walk in a single line, shotguns popped safely open, they communicate, there is a lookout ensuring no one is in the area and when it is time to shoot, they snap the rifle shut and fire one shot as needed. They are not in the fields with AR-15 assault rifles spraying 100 bullet clips.


UK police (except for SWAT or other special units) mostly don’t carry firearms. They have a taser pack on their belt. When kids are spoken to by a PC (Police Constable) they move on. Compare and contrast with the US. In order to enter a school building one must navigate locked doors, buzzers, metal detectors and are monitored by CCTV cameras. That’s not enough? There are calls to arm teachers, administrators, janitors and post armed guards?

Wing nuts, urged on by FOX News and a Republican/GOP/Tea Party off its rocker, are gobbling up assault weapons at a dizzying rate. Said a Midwestern gun shop dealer to a NY Times reporter, “If I had 1,000 AR-15s I could sell them in a week.” AR-15, the assault weapon Adam Lanza killed 28 with in Newtown, Connecticut.

Gun nut rationale? ‘I’m defending my 2nd amendment rights.’ The government is once again so cowed, it will likely throw its hands up in defeat on renewing an assault weapons ban in the USA for fear of the National Rifle Assocation (NRA).

If these are ‘second amendment’ rights, does anyone understand that an amendment is something added to change an original document, in this case the Constitution?

I know I don’t want people from 235 years ago telling me how to live my 2013 life. Worse is we allow legislators and judges to look into a crystal ball to divine for their own political gain what was really meant back in 1787.

The framers of the Constitution and their ‘strict intent’ is what we hear referenced over and over again as the justification for doing nothing that was not specifically proscribed word for word in that sacred text. What? Was it carved in stone tablets by the hand of God and brought down from Mount Philadelphia by Charlton Heston playing Moses?

The framers did an excellent, thoughtful job crafting the original. Are we now to believe they gazed into the future and predicted today’s technology? Does anyone believe the framers foresaw the day where single shot muskets (which took several seconds to reload) would be replaced by semi-automatic rifles shooting 4-5 rounds a second? It’s pretty clear their only intention was to ensure a ready militia in a land without vehicles or good roads.

Now gun advocates threaten that ANY new measures could foment “The Next American Revolution?” So they recommend armed insurgency to protect their guns? Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh “jumped the shark” encouraging dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with new gun laws. Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.”

And it gets sillier by the minute: An Ohio school board voted to arm janitors. A Utah town wants to make it mandatory for everyone to carry handguns, even in classrooms! (What could possibly go wrong?) Utah state law allows teachers to carry concealed weapons (anyone with a special permit can) without telling parents teachers in their child’s school are armed?

How did 3 million NRA members armed with an insane amount of cash (poorly spent as they won a disastrously low 0.83% of their races in 2012) get to bully 330 million Americans? Who needs an AR-15 and 100 bullets to hunt Bambi? 100 rapidly fired bullets won’t just kill that deer, it will vaporise it! Where’s the ‘sport’ in that?

And we have Bubba packing canned goods into an underground bunker planning to overthrow the government, yet the GOP House ignores him? They fight all attempts to bring sanity to the gun discussion, choosing instead to spend hours in meaningless show-hearings aimed at brown-skinned Muslim men, the convenient post 9-11 whipping boys, whilst ignore the real white supremacist militia threats from within? The lunatics run the asylum.

I’m frequently asked if I’ll live in the USA again? I answer, ‘not likely. Why would I put my kids in armed camp schools when our village and local schools focus on educating vs. handgun training?’ Why would I exchange politely flashing my headlamps to allow another to pass on a narrow roadway for the too real possibility of dying from a road rage gun? Why return to a country where up to 25% of my net income is spent insuring and receiving healthcare from the most expensive, yet 37th ranked provider in the world, when it’s free here?

Why return to a nation where in the midst of a flu epidemic, people cannot afford to lose time from work because the sick leave I had when I worked there two decades ago is legally no longer provided by their employer? And vacation is now also taboo in the USA while a month is the norm across the EU. We know that a well-rested, recharged worker does better at their job! We also don’t rush women back to work after childbirth, recognising this is a critical time in child rearing. Even Dads get leave to help out at home and be a part of the birthing and child raising process.

I moved to Europe for love. I’ve stayed 15 years because I love the way people look out for each other. But that’s derisively called ‘socialism’ in the US? So be it. Here’s my real question, why would I return to a nation that has lost its ability to care for those without means, what used to be its heart and its soul?

America was once the most caring nation in the world, now it slaps a flag and says support out troops without any real sense of sacrifice. It too is for show. And having spent 40 years there, I’m gutted by this. The cesspit of corruption fuelled by resigned voter apathy is so bad even actor Jackie Chan last week called the US, ‘The most corrupt nation in the world.’

It was not always that way. It can change in an instant. People must stop letting the wingnut with the loudest voice win. Stand for something! Otherwise… you stand for nothing.

Also broadcast as a Special Comment on World View with Denis Campbell

UK Progressive magazine



lol, I lived in wales for a year, it is beautiful.

you should check out the daily show with john stewart that aired tonight,, it shows how lobbying and politics has really tied the hands of the main people in charge of going after gun runners and criminals,, THE ATF,,lol, which has had no director for six years,, because a politician in with the NRA put in a spending bill that CONGRESS has to approve that position,,,and the fact that we still have the same number of ATF agents 2500 that we did thirty years ago...

tells ya, the gun industry here is mega profitable and mega powerful, and things are not gonna change anytime soon,,,,
What has happened about Eric and Barry the Gunrunning-Team?
And you have the Cheek to accuse Lawful Gunowners of stifling Government to apprehend Criminals?Now I really have heard it all!
You really need to go one better!:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: rofl rofl rofl

The Hussein Fan Club will never admit their messiah is a gun runner.
And, not just any guns. Real guns of war.

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Thu 01/17/13 06:42 AM


lol, I lived in wales for a year, it is beautiful.

you should check out the daily show with john stewart that aired tonight,, it shows how lobbying and politics has really tied the hands of the main people in charge of going after gun runners and criminals,, THE ATF,,lol, which has had no director for six years,, because a politician in with the NRA put in a spending bill that CONGRESS has to approve that position,,,and the fact that we still have the same number of ATF agents 2500 that we did thirty years ago...

tells ya, the gun industry here is mega profitable and mega powerful, and things are not gonna change anytime soon,,,,


Interesting Response, Thanks!!!



lol,, some people believe in a great conspiracy with the government killing people for profit and trying to take guns away to overthrow citizens,,,

others believe gun manufacturers/lobbyists want to get guns in as many peoples hands as possible for better profit and use media and politics to do so,,,

what can I say, although not prone to 'conspiracy' thinking, I Tend to believe he latter to be more of the truth, especially considering the congressional language supporting that aim,,,,

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Thu 01/17/13 06:42 AM




The Madness of the US Gun Culture Politics | Denis G Campbell | January 14, 2013 3:00 am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is The Monday Line
by Denis G. Campbell

My birth country has gone starkers! Friends across Europe ask the same question, ‘are there that many guns in the USA?’ My answer never varies; ‘there are more!’

Living in a Welsh village has advantages. My kids go to school without guards and metal detectors. Kids here are just as rowdy and boisterous as anywhere else. My son had a jacket lining ripped out in a roughhousing incident. There was no police lockdown. Neither he nor the other kid involved ran home to grab a firearm to scare the other off. It was sorted, done.

There are virtually no guns in Europe. Even hunters with shotguns cradle them safely in their arms walking through fields hunting dove, pheasant and rabbit. They walk in a single line, shotguns popped safely open, they communicate, there is a lookout ensuring no one is in the area and when it is time to shoot, they snap the rifle shut and fire one shot as needed. They are not in the fields with AR-15 assault rifles spraying 100 bullet clips.


UK police (except for SWAT or other special units) mostly don’t carry firearms. They have a taser pack on their belt. When kids are spoken to by a PC (Police Constable) they move on. Compare and contrast with the US. In order to enter a school building one must navigate locked doors, buzzers, metal detectors and are monitored by CCTV cameras. That’s not enough? There are calls to arm teachers, administrators, janitors and post armed guards?

Wing nuts, urged on by FOX News and a Republican/GOP/Tea Party off its rocker, are gobbling up assault weapons at a dizzying rate. Said a Midwestern gun shop dealer to a NY Times reporter, “If I had 1,000 AR-15s I could sell them in a week.” AR-15, the assault weapon Adam Lanza killed 28 with in Newtown, Connecticut.

Gun nut rationale? ‘I’m defending my 2nd amendment rights.’ The government is once again so cowed, it will likely throw its hands up in defeat on renewing an assault weapons ban in the USA for fear of the National Rifle Assocation (NRA).

If these are ‘second amendment’ rights, does anyone understand that an amendment is something added to change an original document, in this case the Constitution?

I know I don’t want people from 235 years ago telling me how to live my 2013 life. Worse is we allow legislators and judges to look into a crystal ball to divine for their own political gain what was really meant back in 1787.

The framers of the Constitution and their ‘strict intent’ is what we hear referenced over and over again as the justification for doing nothing that was not specifically proscribed word for word in that sacred text. What? Was it carved in stone tablets by the hand of God and brought down from Mount Philadelphia by Charlton Heston playing Moses?

The framers did an excellent, thoughtful job crafting the original. Are we now to believe they gazed into the future and predicted today’s technology? Does anyone believe the framers foresaw the day where single shot muskets (which took several seconds to reload) would be replaced by semi-automatic rifles shooting 4-5 rounds a second? It’s pretty clear their only intention was to ensure a ready militia in a land without vehicles or good roads.

Now gun advocates threaten that ANY new measures could foment “The Next American Revolution?” So they recommend armed insurgency to protect their guns? Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh “jumped the shark” encouraging dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with new gun laws. Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.”

And it gets sillier by the minute: An Ohio school board voted to arm janitors. A Utah town wants to make it mandatory for everyone to carry handguns, even in classrooms! (What could possibly go wrong?) Utah state law allows teachers to carry concealed weapons (anyone with a special permit can) without telling parents teachers in their child’s school are armed?

How did 3 million NRA members armed with an insane amount of cash (poorly spent as they won a disastrously low 0.83% of their races in 2012) get to bully 330 million Americans? Who needs an AR-15 and 100 bullets to hunt Bambi? 100 rapidly fired bullets won’t just kill that deer, it will vaporise it! Where’s the ‘sport’ in that?

And we have Bubba packing canned goods into an underground bunker planning to overthrow the government, yet the GOP House ignores him? They fight all attempts to bring sanity to the gun discussion, choosing instead to spend hours in meaningless show-hearings aimed at brown-skinned Muslim men, the convenient post 9-11 whipping boys, whilst ignore the real white supremacist militia threats from within? The lunatics run the asylum.

I’m frequently asked if I’ll live in the USA again? I answer, ‘not likely. Why would I put my kids in armed camp schools when our village and local schools focus on educating vs. handgun training?’ Why would I exchange politely flashing my headlamps to allow another to pass on a narrow roadway for the too real possibility of dying from a road rage gun? Why return to a country where up to 25% of my net income is spent insuring and receiving healthcare from the most expensive, yet 37th ranked provider in the world, when it’s free here?

Why return to a nation where in the midst of a flu epidemic, people cannot afford to lose time from work because the sick leave I had when I worked there two decades ago is legally no longer provided by their employer? And vacation is now also taboo in the USA while a month is the norm across the EU. We know that a well-rested, recharged worker does better at their job! We also don’t rush women back to work after childbirth, recognising this is a critical time in child rearing. Even Dads get leave to help out at home and be a part of the birthing and child raising process.

I moved to Europe for love. I’ve stayed 15 years because I love the way people look out for each other. But that’s derisively called ‘socialism’ in the US? So be it. Here’s my real question, why would I return to a nation that has lost its ability to care for those without means, what used to be its heart and its soul?

America was once the most caring nation in the world, now it slaps a flag and says support out troops without any real sense of sacrifice. It too is for show. And having spent 40 years there, I’m gutted by this. The cesspit of corruption fuelled by resigned voter apathy is so bad even actor Jackie Chan last week called the US, ‘The most corrupt nation in the world.’

It was not always that way. It can change in an instant. People must stop letting the wingnut with the loudest voice win. Stand for something! Otherwise… you stand for nothing.

Also broadcast as a Special Comment on World View with Denis Campbell

UK Progressive magazine



lol, I lived in wales for a year, it is beautiful.

you should check out the daily show with john stewart that aired tonight,, it shows how lobbying and politics has really tied the hands of the main people in charge of going after gun runners and criminals,, THE ATF,,lol, which has had no director for six years,, because a politician in with the NRA put in a spending bill that CONGRESS has to approve that position,,,and the fact that we still have the same number of ATF agents 2500 that we did thirty years ago...

tells ya, the gun industry here is mega profitable and mega powerful, and things are not gonna change anytime soon,,,,
What has happened about Eric and Barry the Gunrunning-Team?
And you have the Cheek to accuse Lawful Gunowners of stifling Government to apprehend Criminals?Now I really have heard it all!
You really need to go one better!:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: rofl rofl rofl

The Hussein Fan Club will never admit their messiah is a gun runner.
And, not just any guns. Real guns of war.


lol, sufferers of OBD will never be able to see the forest for the hate of one man in the white house,,,lol

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Thu 01/17/13 06:44 AM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 01/17/13 06:45 AM


The Hussein Fan Club will never admit their messiah is a gun runner.
And, not just any guns. Real guns of war.


lol, sufferers of OBD will never be able to see the forest for the hate of one man in the white house,,,lol

Attack, personal?

I am stating fact. Where do you see hate?

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Thu 01/17/13 06:46 AM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Thu 01/17/13 06:47 AM

The Hussein Fan Club will never admit their messiah is a gun runner.
And, not just any guns. Real guns of war.



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offtopic

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Thu 01/17/13 06:50 AM
I see that movie as being used as an excuse for animals to go killing whitey.

Eugene is using that movie to push his race war agenda.

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Thu 01/17/13 06:52 AM


The Hussein Fan Club will never admit their messiah is a gun runner.
And, not just any guns. Real guns of war.



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So.
You saying Hussein and Holder didn't allow Mexican Cartels walk with guns of war?

Perhaps, there should be a mental wellness screening before allowing potential whitey hater view movies like the one posted?

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Thu 01/17/13 06:55 AM



The Hussein Fan Club will never admit their messiah is a gun runner.
And, not just any guns. Real guns of war.


lol, sufferers of OBD will never be able to see the forest for the hate of one man in the white house,,,lol

Attack, personal?

I am stating fact. Where do you see hate?


where do you see any personal attack
if the shoe dont fit,,,,

I do wish to correct my statement

lol sufferers of OBD will never be able to see the forest for the hate/obsession of one man in the white house or another with a pulpit to talk about uncomfortable topics,,,,,lol

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Thu 01/17/13 06:56 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 01/17/13 06:58 AM

.. thats 2500 ATF agents too many.

I agree. All such organizations need to show how the causal effects of there enforcing these laws has any impact on crime.

The problem, they cant.

They cannot justify there own existence with anything coming close to an objective study.

The ATF locks up people who put a hand grip on a rifle, or shorten a barrel. Not a small amount of time either, 10 years mandatory.

The law is out of hand, we need to repeal NFA, do away with the ATF, and stick to enforcing real crime, like when people actually do something harmful to another vs just own something and harm no one.

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Thu 01/17/13 07:08 AM



The Hussein Fan Club will never admit their messiah is a gun runner.
And, not just any guns. Real guns of war.



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So.
You saying Hussein and Holder didn't allow Mexican Cartels walk with guns of war?

Perhaps, there should be a mental wellness screening before allowing potential whitey hater view movies like the one posted?


Hussein Fan Club comment has nothing to do with this article.


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Thu 01/17/13 08:05 AM




The Hussein Fan Club will never admit their messiah is a gun runner.
And, not just any guns. Real guns of war.



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So.
You saying Hussein and Holder didn't allow Mexican Cartels walk with guns of war?

Perhaps, there should be a mental wellness screening before allowing potential whitey hater view movies like the one posted?


Hussein Fan Club comment has nothing to do with this article.


it all dovetails nice together!

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Thu 01/17/13 08:33 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 01/17/13 08:37 AM
The fact of the matter is that if we truly had leadership in this country that followed the constitution and the principles it was founded on, cared about the people, weren't corrupt money grubbers in it for power, profit and prestige, and actually gave a hoot about the sovereignty of our nation.....

Yeah, that will happen....

Don't expect much to change with bankers and corporations pulling the strings on these puppets!


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Thu 01/17/13 11:11 AM
Millions of Americans own so-called “assault weapons” and tens of millions own "large" magazines, for self-defense, target shooting, and hunting. For more information about the history of the “assault weapon” issue, please visit www.GunBanFacts.com.

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Thu 01/17/13 11:16 AM





The Hussein Fan Club will never admit their messiah is a gun runner.
And, not just any guns. Real guns of war.



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So.
You saying Hussein and Holder didn't allow Mexican Cartels walk with guns of war?

Perhaps, there should be a mental wellness screening before allowing potential whitey hater view movies like the one posted?


Hussein Fan Club comment has nothing to do with this article.


it all dovetails nice together!


I think Not. It was a comment offtopic

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Thu 01/17/13 11:56 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 01/17/13 11:59 AM
More levity.





Sooooooo, who looks at this graph and actually thinks that a causal relationship exists between gun ownership and murder?