http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2010/06/15/iran_cleric_wants_special_weapons_to_deter_enemy/?camp=pm

Glad they don't want the Bomb!

Iran however is developing nuclear weapons when the rest of the
civilized world is intent on reducing the number of nuclear weapons.

Iran is the only country in the world sponsoring antisemitic
Holocaust denial conferences and threatening to wipe another country
off the face of the earth.

NOW that is the problem.

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And Iran has produced many of the devices used to kill US soldiers and locals in Afghanistan.

The 10 points made in the OP were reasonable, truthful and should be seriously considered by all.

Welcome to the real world... Mate.

How many men of ambition hold power in this world? And how many of them view "things" like WMDs (boo hiss Republican acronym! Boo!) as a means to an end? Mustard gas? Chloropichrin? Anthrax? Boccitoxin? Atom and thermonuclear bombs? Neutron Bombs? All ways of holding sway over the other guy?

I know if I were president of the United States my policy is not to shoot first but if w we have to fire off our anti missile systems the retaliation is on its way period! No negotiation. I will fire on whoever launched on us before their strike hits us PERIOD! Likewise if a Mystery plague began sweeping the nation I would just launch on the likely targets anyways. Payback is a BYTCH and that is the only reason why Russia and China have behaved so far. But N Korea is under some impression they just have to buy time and they can Fucq America up. That is the Great Karnak speaking here making MY prediction. China can let them get their hands dirty and when we get done popping our nut on them China can conveniently clean up afterwords... except for ONE MINOR LITTLE GLITCH IN THEIR IDEA...

INDIA... And granted they may not necessarily be America's friend they are not our enemy and they manage to do business with us in good faith. They are an ethical nation born of a long standing civilized culture that predates Egypt. So has China but China is ambitious where India has long been Live and let live. Both are nuclear and space capable nations.

now lets look at Islam and their agenda... Let us say Pakistan looses one of their weapons and it turns up in say Europe... It could go off in say Paris... or England. Hell, anywhere it goes off in the name of Jihad, what then? And when a group like the Taliban takes claim of it in the mane of Islam. And the attack is cheered in the streets of Palestine and Egypt. What then? With me sitting in the president seat this would be my immediate response, "Hey, King Faud, guess what, our ally got nuked by Islamic Extremists. Nothing personal but Kiss Mecca good buy. This is not negotiable. BTW. so far we think the bomb came from Pakistan so Islamabad is not going to be on the map in about 26 minuets. Be talking to you later..." CLICK! Then I give the order. the only way I would withhold that retaliation would be because someone managed to present a credible argument to wait before retaliating but a strike in kind would be certain.

But that is me living in fantasy land I will admit.

In the real world the sissy boy party planner we have for president (I would never insult a tea drinker by calling him that, I drink tea too so no, and I am not going to insult homosexuals either) will probably make a huge media event over it and make a lot of hollow promises and do nothing. Yep, nothing will get done. Now if America gets nuked... let's say the Big Apple gets it good. Just a Hiroshima class and a dirty one at that, alla` Pakistan or Iran or even N Korea. It could be delivered truck bomb style. But it would be nastier if they got it on top of a sky scraper. Hmmmmmmm, what then? Who to attack especially when Al-Jazzer shows some masked nutcase saying they nailed us in the name of Islam and Allah?

Seriously, this altruistic fells good stuff is CRAP in the real world. There are way too many wolves living among the sheep. Human nature my friend. human nature. That is what kills this idealist topic out the gate!

Sorry I am showing you the ugly real world truth... I know for a fact if I had super powers of my own I would abuse them and take over unless something or someone could keep me in check.

Now bear in mind the Iranian people in General are not indeed the problem. They do not harbor any real grudge against anyone. But their leadership on the other hand... After the rhetoric they spewed at us in the UN? About their desire to wipe Israel out... Trust them? Seriously?



Are those antennae?

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soufie
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Gee, are no one of the peace junkies going to argue with me any more? Did I bring up the two things that spoil all their arguments completely?

Ain't Human Nature a Bytch?

Oh Lord! lol


I won't debate with paranoia dude... But if you want my opinion, here it is.

-The US invaded Afghanistan for sheltering OBL and not giving him up. Osama Bin Crabfood has been dead for 2 years now? NATO young men & women still dying?

-The US invaded Iraq for no other reason other than WMD(ALL lies)

-The US supports Israel's expansionist government, gives it the necessary munitions to terrorize Arabs and ignores repeated UN resolutions.

not only are your neighborhoods "war zones", you've been exporting your violence... You don't feel safe in your own towns, how could you feel secure anywhere?
(This is by no means a jab at recent tragic events, I've been thinking this way for decades). It's perfectly normal for someone surrounded by violence, to be violent.

I will NEVER support your paranoid stand and outlook on the world... Be the change you want to see on this planet.

Iran is by no means a pussycat... F with her and you'll be engulfed in death and destruction for decades... F with her because of Israel? and it could be war for Centuries.

Have a nice day!

only in Canada.......

OK, like okay aye? You like know a little paranoia will keep you alive, too much paranoia is insanity. When Iran and Iraq were going at it Iraq gave Iran a good beating. Iran is nothing. Iran's president is lucky he hasn't been strapped to a SCUD being shot into the desert yet with the crap he has spewed about America and Israel. How well did Iraq's army fare against us? The Vaunted Revolutionary Guard, like aye?

K, with that not withstanding our biggest fault is we get stuck trying to rebuild them when we should let them rebuild for themselves or let them deteriorate into their own fermenting Anarchy.

Now bear in mind also... ...mate, that thanks to the Qur'an we ARE AT WAR WITH ISLAM ALREADY! AND Iran is a WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT? COMMITTED TO WHICH FAITH THAT PREACHES WHAT EXACTLY?

So unless you have read a Qur'an you really are not aware as to why some of us "FREE THINKING PEOPLE" have a reason to be scared of them!

So like enjoy the Great White North aye where you don't live under the menace of actually having nations wanting to nuke us into the stone age due to religious prejudice more than any other reason! At least in Canada you leadership isn't sticking their noses where they don't belong. Your leadership doesn't try to buy friendship. I just have to live under the umbrella of a government that reinvented segregation as Affirmative Action.

I think I got every right and reason to be a little bit paranoid...



...mate.

So while you are happily watching Moose rutting with a cold Molsens and a pile of Snarlers on the grill people here and in Europe are weaving plans to take control and drive us all into a new financially fueled feudal system... Like you really need to care. This problem will not come to roost in Canada, will it?

So where can I get a pair of your rose colored glasses! They have to be the SHYTE to work as well as they do for you!

War for centuries, WELCOME TO THE HISTORY OF MANKIND MY FRIEND! You indeed give me a good reason to find brevity in your statements!


OH! Almost forgot, Exporting OUR VIOLENCE? REALLY? And America is the only one? England, France? They have war exports. Russia, China? They do too. N Korea... That is their national industry! Who am I missing? S Africa? Hmmmm.... Who else?

So America is the cause of all the world's woes? Are you for real?

Yeah, have a good day 2 mate...


Pishaw!

I'm not just at war with Islam, I'm at war with Christianity & Judaism as well!

It was Christians who burned witches, and that doesn't just refer to the Salem witch burnings. I personally know a guy who told me he would kill a witch if he knew of one because the Bible tells him to!

And ANY of the "big three" deserves to be crushed in war because they ALL rely on the Old Testament, which tells us that "G-d" hates homosexuals, idol worshippers, "unbelievers", and adulterers to the point that He recommends they be put to death. (I'll grant you, these people may not make the "hit parade" in terms of popularity in society, but I think it's kinda wrong to whack them for it.)…Oh yeah, the Big Guy is also big on slavery and "putting women away" every month…Talk about sexist!

The Hebrews slaughtered many of the people living in the "promised land" of Canaan because Moses said that G-d said that they should do that. Was Moses a lying megalomaniac, or is G-d just an *******?

In any event, anybody who thinks what some guy(s) wrote down in a book is the inspired Word of G-d has a screw loose in the first place. Unfortunately Islam has no patent on loose screws. Fortunately most people (including muslims) don't take their holy scriptures too literally.

What passes for holy war these days (and even in the old days) is just politically-inspired bullsh*t where somebody said that somebody else said that somebody said that those are the bad guys who will sneak over here from ten thousand miles away and murder us in our beds if we let them, so lets go over there and kill every one of the suckers before they get the chance….Yeah…right….You go girl.

While you're busy killing all the muslims, don't forget to wipe out the jews & Christians too; maybe then we'll finally have some peace in this stupid bloody world!

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."...Hey!...How come nobody's picking up rocks to throw?

Religion does not kill people nor does it sanction the killing of
people. All religions abhor violence and murder and condemn it.

Intolerant and ignorant people kill other people in defiance of
true religious teachings.

Intolerance and ignorance are the enemies of civilized and ethical
behavior. Iran is a bastion of intolerance and ignorance right now
(the corrupt theocratic Iranian government bigots not the Iranian
people themselves many who are repressed by their own radical Islamic
despots).

Israel on the other hand, like the United States, reveres tolerance
and religious freedoms. The Hebrews actually have never tried to
convert or kill others based on their religious beliefs. But in Iran
right now, women are killed in honor killings and severe punishments
exist for the crime of anti-Islamic heresy.

Yet there are those who berate Israel and their free and tolerant
society and praise the Holocaust denying bigotry and antisemitic,
anti-Christian, anti-Islamic, radical Islamic terrorist supporters
who are running Iran.

Great.

Your opinion and allegations are duly noted...but not necessarily believed.

Now let us look at some facts, Israel got over their age of blood but never got over their need to defend themselves. Not only did The Catholics have the Crusades but Islam likewise had their invasions as well. But the Catholic Church has finally gotten past their age of blood as well. Islam however has not. How long ago was the inquisitions? But then what is going on in Islamic nations? Egypt is on the verge of a full blown civil war thanks to an Islamic hard Core politician.

Most religion is a lie. Some are not. Buddhism isn't a lie. It is a moral concept. So is Tao.

Nice way to generalize though. Really hard to dissect and disseminate such a strong argument aimed directly at a straw man.

Of all faiths present who declares holy war in the name of their god?


That and NOBODY, I MEAN NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Nobody ever gets over the need to defend themselves, but there is a distinct difference between defence and vengeance and i don't see Israel making that distinction, which is contrary to the Judaic religion:
"Vengeance is Mine saith the Lord."



True.



Tell that to the kids murdered and buried in the Indian residential schools that the church STILL refuses to acknowledge.



From what I understand, there haven't been any muslim conquests since 1800. So what have they been up to lately except responding to assaults on their lands by foreigners?



I think the nasty ones ended in 1860, but I heard that technically they continue to this day, though probably not employing the historically verified methods they used to use.



Foreign intervention mostly, from what I can see.



Are you positive that's his doing? How do you know?



Agreed.



How was I generalizing? I aimed my venom straight at the three Judaic religions, Islam, Christianity and Judaism.



Major clerics & Rabbis in all three of the Judaic religions.



There were more inquisitions than just the Spanish one. That any were not expected isn't my fault…I wasn't there to warn people.

It is just because of anti-Israel bias that you cannot see the
distinction. Israel does not attack Gazans or people in the West
Bank ever without extreme provocation such as bombing attacks on
Israeli buses and marketplaces bombings and restaurant bombings.
Israel does not attack people in Gaza except those who are actively
involved in trying to launch rocket attacks on Israeli cities.

Obviously such attacks on innocent Israeli citizens must be stopped.
But whenever they do stop then there is peace. It is completely up
to those attacking Israel. If they want peace all they have to do
is to cease unwarranted attacks on Israel and there is always peace.

Bus, cafe and marketplace bombings are not self defense. These are
war crimes. Rocket attacks targeting cities solely to inflict
civilian casualties are war crimes on the face of it. Israel has
never engaged in this type of activity. There is no comparison between
checkpoints or weapons cargo inspections on the one hand and hijacking
airplanes full of innocent people and jet fuel and flying them into
office buildings full of more innocent people on the other hand.

Because of radical Islamic attacks such as these bombing attacks, we
all have to endure inspections and checkpoints of cargo ships and
at airports, bus terminals, rail stations etc. Palestinian militants who
are launching these terrorist attacks daily in Gaza and the West
Bank force other Palestinians to endure checkpoints also because
innocent people must be protected.



The Catholic Church was hardly responsible for all the abused in
Indian Residential schools and as bad as these schools were, they
were not "holy war". Of course there were the Crusades but the
point was that there has not been anything the like of them since
and comparing the forced re-education of Indian residential schools
to the Crusades is not really credible. There are no modern Catholic
calls for "holy war" of course.

As far as Muslim calls for "holy war" you do not have to go back to
the 19th century. It is on the news daily all over the world today.

There are currently radical Islamic attacks in Afghanistan, Gaza,
Russia, Indonesia, Israel, India, Pakistan, Algeria, Sudan, Lebanon and
elsewhere and it is very well documented as modern Crusade-like
fundamental Islamic holy war (Jihad) particularly in Iran.

http://youtu.be/AediQLpoGGM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism

Central figures of modern Islamism include Sayyid Qutb, Hasan al-Banna,
Abul Ala Maududi, Taqiuddin al-Nabhani, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, and
Navvab Safavi.




Nonsense. There is not now nor have there ever been in recorded
history any major rabbi who has declared a "holy war" in the name
of God. Name one who led more then a handful of people ever. Make
sure to say which "holy war" it was.



Likewise for Christians. Where are the calls for Christian "holy
war"? Hmmmmmmm? Where are your Christian armies today?

No, Islamic radicals who are perverting true Islam are the problem
at this time and we all have the responsibility to speak out against
such barbarism as is sponsored in Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan and
Pakistan particularly at this time. If people wish to truly advocate
against bigotry and for peace then it must start by recognizing the
radical Islamic Jihad going on today throughout the world and taking
clear positions against this modern day bigotry. This is why I always
speak out here and elsewhere against such terrorism sponsors
in Iran (Ahmadinejad Govt), Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Gaza (Hamas) and
Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood). And I make the distinction between
Israeli, US and European self-defense from such terror attacks as the
rocket attacks from Gaza, the 911 WTC bombings and London and Madrid
railway attacks.

What is the basis for your disbelief?

Do you not agree that all major religions abhor violence?

Can you not recognize the difference between religious tolerance
in the US and Israel from forcible Islamic coercion going on in
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza?

Do you not think that the current Iranian regime is a bastion of intolerance?

Do you think that true Islam advocates the killing of innocent people?

I can accept that you and others don't necessarily believe me.
The reasoning behind such disbelief will be a good area for
personal introspection. It would be interesting to examine the
basis for this disbelief starting with answers to the questions
I pose above.