how ignorant... they are surrounded on all sides by a religion that hates them, and you say it's Israels fault... every country in the world does covert operations, but only Israel is evil... oh yea, the US too, because they back Israel... you sound like every muslim i have ever talked to, except they openly admit they hate jews, where you can't admit it...

funny,all those anti-Semite/anti-Zionist-Rants only make the Ranters look foolish!
Just another set of "Truthers"!

Myth and Fact: The Creation of Hamas

Dr. Mitchell Bard



Myth:

"Israel created Hamas."

Fact:

Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s.

Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.

Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened.

Hamas certainly didn't believe it was being supported by Israel. As early as February 1988, the group put out a primer on how its members should behave if confronted by the Shin Bet. Several more instructional documents were distributed by Hamas to teach followers how to confront the Israelis and maintain secrecy.

Israel's assistance was more passive than active; that is, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. Israel also may have provided some funding to allow its security forces to infiltrate the organization. Meanwhile, Jordan was actively helping Hamas, with the aim of undermining the PLO and strengthening Jordanian influence in the territories.

Though some Israelis were very concerned about Hamas before rioting began in December 1987, Israel was reluctant to interfere with an Islamic organization, fearing that it might trigger charges of violating the Palestinians' freedom of religion. It was not until early in the intifada, when Hamas became actively involved in the violence, that the group began to be viewed as a potentially greater threat than the PLO. The turning point occurred in the summer of 1988 when Israel learned that Hamas was stockpiling arms to build an underground force and Hamas issued its covenant calling for the destruction of Israel. At this point it became clear that Hamas was not going to put off its jihad to liberate Palestine and was shifting its emphasis from charitable and educational activity to terrorism. Israel then began to crack down on Hamas and wiped out its entire command structure. Hamas has been waging a terror war against Israel ever since.





http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=64336

Of course Jews have a right to survival.

Every person has a right to life. But do you see all religions insisting that they have the right to a country?

Okay "countries" have a right to exist. Right? Even countries founded after invading and conquering the indigenous people there. America is one of them, Australia another. Do you see any country (besides Israel) that carefully scrutinizes, records and classifies in particular, the race and religion of everyone who lives there as much as they do, excluding certain citizens from full citizenship if they do not meet certain requirements?

Where is the nation of Christianity? Where is the nation of Islam?

Israeli society has
freedom of religion and is based on non-discrimination much like the
U.S.

Go try to give out Bibles in Mecca!

Also here is a list of Christian countries...

Here is a question for you.

What is it about Israel's religion, that Muslims hate so much? What is it about Muslims religion that you say makes them hate Israel so much?

If it is really about "religion" (which I don't believe at all) then lets discuss the religious points that are so crucial that two groups will spend generations killing each other.

Both religions, even the Christian religion, are all derived from the same Book. THE BIBLE.

So what, pray tell, is the big fat disagreement?

...........

The Land ---Israel

The Seed---Isaac

The Promise--- "And the LORD appeared unto Abram,
and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land:
and there builded he an altar unto the LORD,
who appeared unto him.
Genesis 12

"And God said,
Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed;
and thou shalt call his name Isaac:
and I will establish my covenant with him
for an everlasting covenant,
and with his seed after him."
Genesis 17:19

Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:


The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.