Israel's in the land today is proof that God keeps His promise.

The world's/nations' reaction (hatred & persecution) is well documented in bible prophecy.

Galatians 3:8, And the scripture,
foreseeing that God would justify the heathen
through faith,
preached before the gospel unto Abraham,
saying,
In thee shall all nations be blessed.

God had nothing to do with it. Israel was founded on terrorism by terrorists.

Do you believe the book of Joshua? Do you believe it really happened? Do you believe that God ordered Joshua to send his soldiers into the land and kill without mercy all the men, women and children? Do you believe that God ordered them to cut off the heads of the Kings and take their land and their homes and their orchards?

If so, is that the God you worship?

Israel is still doing it and still using the "old covenant" to justify it.

You really need to do some serious reading!

This thread has evolved into a discussion about religion because it is about a conflict that people claim is a "holy war."

Back to the question... was Hamas elected?

Does it matter?

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terror+Groups/Hamas_Exploitation_Civilians_Jan_2009.htm
Now start the howling,but this Stuff has been verified by other Sources!

Perhaps you do. Israel was founded on terrorism by terrorists. Even Israel describes them as an Israeli radical terrorist faction. And yet that is how it began.

And all of it traces back to Britain, and the EVIL QUEEN.

Hamas was elected but only under the threat of physical violence towards
anyone and everyone who opposes them. It was a sham election and
cannot be taken seriously by anyone.

Gaza is now ruled by a large gang of criminals whose chief means of
retaining power is through armed coercion, beatings and killings.

It's vile basically and can hardly be considered "government" any more
than muggings can be considered "law enforcement".

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terror+Groups/Hamas_Exploitation_Civilians_Jan_2009.htm

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/arafat_en.html

Do you think "being verified" by "other sources" means anything at all?

I can go to the Internet and get "verification" for anything.

One terrorist organization verifying another's lies means squat.

How do you know this? Do you have proof? Were you there?



Sounds like a typical dictatorship, but what kind of real evidence do you have of this claim?



Your only link is to a very bias pro-Israel website, which, if Israel is the true aggressor and terrorist, would not be credible. Do you have any independent reliable unbiased sources?

There is a conflict going on between Hamas and Israel, so you can't seriously link to the apposing faction for unbiased information.

Not so, you really must go back farther.

Go back further? Like?

REPTILIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's going to get even better,I promise!

Expert: 'Settlements' Are Legal, Look at the UN Documents
Former ambassador Dr. Meir Rosenne: The Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria are legal. International law says this.
By Elad Benari
First Publish: 4/5/2012, 1:16 AM

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Dr. Meir Rosenne, former Israeli ambassador to the United States and France, said on Wednesday that the Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria are legal and that this is true under international law.

Rosenne spoke to Arutz Sheva a day after the prosecutor for the International Criminal Court in The Hague rejected a complaint filed by the Palestinian Authority against Israel for alleged war crimes during "Operation Cast Lead" in Gaza in 2009.

The prosecutor explained that only states can file a complaint with the International Criminal Court, noting that the PA is only an observer at the United Nations and not a member state.

Dr. Rosenne noted that “the PA is not a country. It has a Palestinian Authority and Hamas which controls Gaza but they have no country. All UN documents dealing with Resolution 242 do not mention the word Palestinian.”

He added that although some people may not be aware of this, under international law the Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria have full legal status.

“American jurists such as former ICJ President Stephen Schwebel have said that Israel has more rights to Judea and Samaria,” said Rosenne. “Any legal expert who looks at the UN documents will see that there is no such concept as the West Bank or the occupied territories, but rather Judea and Samaria. That is the terminology that appears in the most official documents.”

Dr. Rosenne added that according to the Geneva Convention, all the Jewish communities are legal, saying, “Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention says that an occupying power cannot forcibly move citizens to occupied territory. This was true during World War II when the Germans forcefully moved German citizens to occupied Polish territories. In our case, Israel never occupied Judea and Samaria. Judea and Samaria is an area that has never belonged to another country. Jordanian occupation was never recognized, just as the Egyptian occupation of Gaza was not recognized. The fate of these areas should be determined by negotiations among the parties. The settlers never forcibly entered anywhere, nor were they moved there, so they are perfectly legal.”

He also noted that, according to the Geneva Convention, terrorists imprisoned in Israel should not be considered prisoners of war.

“The Geneva Convention states that a prisoner of war is a man who openly carried weapons and wore uniforms and respected the laws of war,” said Rosenne. “The terrorists do not carry arms openly, they do not have uniforms and they do not respect the laws of war when they kill children. They are not party to the conflict because no Arab state has adopted them. Nevertheless, Israel allows every terrorist to meet with an attorney.”

If you want to go back to reptilians, the queen is as far as you need to go.

Now I know why they LOVE to call it "war."

In a civilized society within a country, it would not be "legal" to invade a person's home and run them off by force, taking control of and occupying their home and neighborhood as their own.



If they had nuclear weapons, a formidable military and weapons of war, then they would certainly be recognized as a country.

In this world, which is ruled and shaped by war and conquest, peaceful inhabitants are not wanted, and don't have any rights, and get no respect.

You must be able to wage war in order to get any respect or rights.

You must be able to wage war in order to be a country.

If Palestine is "not a country" then Israel cannot wage war against them. This is why they believe it is "legal" to just invade and take over the place.

It is a world were bullies rule.

And that's a fact jack.

It was widely reported from several open press direct observers
so very much independent of any bias. Here are links to reports
about it but it is very easy to find other articles which
corroborate the process as I described it - if you are willing to
actually look into it honestly.



http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-06-14-gaza_N.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/11/hamas_in_gaza_how_the_organization_beat_fatah_and_took_control_of_the_gaza.html

Your second link did not work. The third link was informative.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/11/hamas_in_gaza_how_the_organization_beat_fatah_and_took_control_of_the_gaza.html

But it stated that after Hamas won the election (Note: AFTER) that the Fatah refused to relinquish power and Hamas had to take it.

I was led to believe that Hamas won the election by eliminating the opposition before the election. This article says different.



In spite of Hamas’ electoral victory, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah, initially refused to surrender control of the government to his party’s rival. A round of assassinations of members of both parties followed, and soon the violence extended into the streets. One Palestinian rights group estimates that more than 600 Palestinians were killed during the factional fighting. By mid-2007, Hamas had taken complete control over Gaza, successfully beating down Fatah forces and compelling Abbas to relocate to the West Bank.