he stretch comment isnt about beliefs

its about the context of the decleration of independence

that this

'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'


is referring to 'all men' being created by your parents, is a stretch

it instead refers to a common creator of ALL MEN,,,,,

No, it doesn't. The context of the sentence implies that "all men" have a "Creator" it doesn't imply from the text that there is a singular one, only that each person, because of their shared equality has been created. The notion of a singular creator for "all men" is just a rational implied by religious zealots to justify saying that America is a "christian" nation.

The truth is, you and every other human were created by your parents just as I was. God didn't breath air into your lungs. At some point a doctor, mid-wife, nurse or maybe a relative, depending on circumstances, actually took the fluids you were breathing out of your lungs - much the same way the first fish that decided to crawl out of the oceans did, which spawned all animal life and later the entire human race.

it doesnt say 'each man, endowed by their creator'

it says 'all men, endowed by their creator'


however you spin it, the subject verb agreement does imply ONE creator (their) for ALL men


no point debating what YOU believe to be true, the debate is about what the writers of those words implied according to THEIR beliefs...

Or take Jefferson, who literally made his own version of the bible by removing all text that was not spoken by Jesus himself.

If we are taking the founders beliefs into context, then we must also consider the context of their belief structure.

Ben, John and Tom all collaborated on this document in 1776. These were men of science, and big believers in the use of reason and logic. If you consider that Darwin hadn't been to the Galapagos, nor was his "Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection," one must come to the conclusion that they didn't have the facts at hand to make the proper wording. If they had, the odds are in favor of much different wording being used.

Take John Adams for instance who said: “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it”. Does that sound of someone who believed that we should bow down to a deity?

Or take Jefferson, who literally made his own version of the bible by removing all text that was not spoken by Jesus himself. If you actually read just the "red letter" section of the holy bible and view it with agnostic eyes, one will discover that Jesus himself was anti-religion and more of a spiritual person. Too bad he didn't have all the science at hand when his words were spoken as well.

Franklin's experiments with lightening alone flew in the face of the established religious beliefs of the day.

So, when one DOES take in context the beliefs of the FRAMERS of the Declaration, one sees that no, religion and dogma was not on their minds. What they did was a compromise, so that heavily puritanical states, such as Pennsylvania, would not hesitate in joining the cause. What they needed was a set of UNITED colonies opposing Britain. What they wanted was freedom, religion they already had, and they found it didn't work to well, that's why when the Constitution was written, it specifically said that religion must be left out of governing.