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Topic: Was 9/11 an 'inside job?' - Poll
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Sun 10/28/12 01:26 PM
and now,the biggest Conspiracy of them all!

Obama is a Republican plant!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2009/12/22/obama-a-republican-plant-obama-is-either-the-most-politically-clueless-president-ever-or%E2%80%A6-is-really-a-stealth-republican-destroying-the-democrat-party-from-within/

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Sun 10/28/12 01:29 PM

They are all in on it Mr. Conrad that is why Bush/Cheney and the rest of the neocons are walking the streets and not on trial or in jail.

We have a one party corporate government by the 1% and for the 1%.

This is not news to me.

You can have the last word I am off to a farm down the road for a turkey dinner with my GF's family.

We had a grand fall party last night out in a barn with a wood burner going we drank spiced apple cider sang drinking songs some even played instruments to our drinking songs.

"Oh what would you do with a drunken sailor early in the morning"

is still ringing in my ears.laugh

had to be there and drunk to get the feel.

Have a good evening hard to say if I will return to this topic tonight.
would have really been disappointed if you had given any different answer!

:laughing:


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Sun 10/28/12 01:40 PM
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CONTINUE TO DEFEND THE ELITE WHO WILL KILL CHILDREN TO GET THEIR WAY.


http://mingle2.com/topic/show/339174

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Sun 10/28/12 01:42 PM


IF you are still in dreamland thinking any of this is about Republican vs democrat you might as well join the ranks of the clueless.

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Sun 10/28/12 02:01 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 10/28/12 02:10 PM

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CONTINUE TO DEFEND THE ELITE WHO WILL KILL CHILDREN TO GET THEIR WAY.


http://mingle2.com/topic/show/339174
exercising a bit of gratuitous ad-hominem?
You ought to know by now that it doesn't lead anywhere!

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Sun 10/28/12 02:02 PM
"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html#tUg6SadaTK

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/

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Mon 10/29/12 12:39 PM

"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html#tUg6SadaTK

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/
So?

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Mon 10/29/12 12:40 PM
laugh laugh Yeh, I was at a loss on how to respond to that post. It was a thread killer and made no sense.


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Mon 10/29/12 12:45 PM


"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html#tUg6SadaTK

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/
So?
America is threatened by an "unholy axis":

"We must exercise responsibility not just at home, but around the world. On the eve of a new century, we have the power and the duty to build a new era of peace and security.

We must combat an unholy axis of new threats from terrorists, international criminals, and drug traffickers. These 21st century predators feed on technology and the free flow of information... And they will be all the more lethal if weapons of mass destruction fall into their hands.

Together, we must confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons and the outlaw states, terrorists, and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."

President Clinton
State of the Union address
January 27, 1998

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html#Heu6cOcHyc

http://clinton5.nara.gov/textonly/WH/SOTU98/address.html
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yet everybody rides Bush!
If Billy hadn't smoked Ceegars in the Oval Office,and tended to Business instead of kicking the Can further down the Road,9/11 in all probability wouldn't have happened!
But Billy-Bob was busy with Monica!laugh

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Mon 10/29/12 12:51 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 10/29/12 12:52 PM
So then you are just repeating the classic rhetoric of a politician you don't like in order to place the blame on him rather than George Bush?

When will you realize that we only have one party? There is no difference between Democrat or republican.

Monica was a CIA honey pot plant anyway.


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Mon 10/29/12 12:53 PM
I don't blame George Bush for 9-11. He, was part of it yes, but he was a pawn in a large game.


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Mon 10/29/12 01:03 PM


They are all in on it Mr. Conrad that is why Bush/Cheney and the rest of the neocons are walking the streets and not on trial or in jail.

We have a one party corporate government by the 1% and for the 1%.

This is not news to me.

You can have the last word I am off to a farm down the road for a turkey dinner with my GF's family.

We had a grand fall party last night out in a barn with a wood burner going we drank spiced apple cider sang drinking songs some even played instruments to our drinking songs.

"Oh what would you do with a drunken sailor early in the morning"

is still ringing in my ears.laugh

had to be there and drunk to get the feel.

Have a good evening hard to say if I will return to this topic tonight.
would have really been disappointed if you had given any different answer!

:laughing:



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Mon 10/29/12 01:07 PM
I like the nano thermite theory! As the prof said (since fired from his job) 'hundreds of tons!' and then, we learn it can be mixed with regular explosive and painted onto beams but of course, CTs can't decide if it was melting steel or exploding it.

Hundreds of tons, painted onto beams. Mixed with regular everyday corner store C4 and brought up in lunch buckets, five pounds at a time for ............... let's see ......... five pounds, and a hundred tons ...................... that's two hundred thousand pounds ................... five pounds for forty thousand trips with the thermite not to mention the C4.

Or, Jeb Bush helping (Cheney's heart wouldn't take the strain), that's only twenty thousand trips a piece just to get the stuff there.

Ok, so, is there any record of workers all over the place with buckets of slop bringing hundreds of tons into the access panels to paint this crap onto the beams and pillars? And, when working with slop, it doesn't all go where you want it to, is there any record of people over the months/weeks/years whatever getting sick from having a strange substance (which explosives do to people) getting sick from contact their skin and even their food or drink? That is probably the main evidence that there was an inside job is the sickness rate of the people who worked in the WTC.

And, now we have to get the charges up there remembering that every place there was this 'special' material sloped on, it has to blow as the evidence can't remain as some shmuck worker on the ground might pull up a fragment of metal with a piece of det cord, remote det or whatever on it attatched to some painted on explosive thermite which didn't go off.

So, that's a lot of stuff to get done. Lot of people. Lot of construction people with passes, excuses, paychecks etc. All without being noticed by the union who took care of the buildings.

How did they do it? And, without anybody getting sick, spilling one once of this stuff onto the carpets, clothes, into the air ducts, and without being noticed? And the unions had no problem i with these non union guys just doing all this work too.

And ... everything hinges on the planes hitting the buildings. If they don't hit, the explosives will be discovered and the guys that put it all there (100 - 1000 non union guys) will get lethal injections. They have no problem doing this work over weeks or months knowing that their *** is covered by dirty terrorists living in caves in Afghanistan so, are in like a dirty shirt. on the big day, they're nervous, they have to have the explosive evidence all destroyed or their *** is toast in Terra Haute so they're anxious yet, once the planes hit, they wait ............ calmly waiting ........ they need all the evidence to go up. They can't have any inspector see the explosives, wires, detonators, remote devices whatever yet they wait ....... and wait ........ long after they could logically blow the building .........noway

with the WT7 just sitting there with anybody who wants to find the explosives there about to expose the whole thing sending them all to the injection chamber and then ........

They blow it.

Nothing far fetched going on there. Union guys risking their lives on the promise that some dudes living in a cave will come through with an elaborate plan kept secret for years and on four separate planes. And nobody has said a word, nobody has had any seocnd thoughts of guilt, nobody has found religion or guilt in all this time. Nobody has gotten murdered, none of the people who are exposing this conspiracy are being silenced.

The entire government of the USA wants them dead and here they are, just targets for a poisoning, letter bomb, faulty ground in a hot tub, a heart attack and ......... they're all still spewing the nonsense.

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Mon 10/29/12 01:26 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 10/29/12 01:34 PM




This is for people to read and evaluate on their own.

Destruction of the World Trade Center North
Tower and Fundamental Physics
By David Chandler
B.S., physics, Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA
M.A., education, Claremont Graduate University, Claremont, CA
M.S., mathematics, California Polytechnic University, Pomona, CA
Running Title: Downward Acceleration of WTC


The roof line of the North Tower of the World Trade Center is shown to
have been in constant downward acceleration until it disappeared. A
downward acceleration of the falling upper block implies a downward net
force, which requires that the upward resistive force was less than the
weight of the block. Therefore the downward force exerted by the falling
block must also have been less than its weight. Since the lower section of
the building was designed to support several times the weight of the upper
block, the reduced force exerted by the falling block was insufficient to
crush the lower section of the building. Therefore the falling block could
not have acted as a "pile driver." The downward acceleration of the upper
block can be understood as a consequence of, not the cause of, the
disintegration of the lower section of the building.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf




This has to be a hoax. No-one would put their name to such garbled nonsense. No-one with a reputation to defend anyway.




What about the paper do you think is "garbled nonsense?" You always criticize but you never actually make any legitimate points about anything.


That is the truth


Says a guy who can't answer a simple question. Have you figured out what is wrong with Mr. Moron's paper yet? Have a go at thinking for yourself, I know you're not Australian, but you can do it, just believe in yourself.

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Mon 10/29/12 04:51 PM
Lets get back on topic. mkay?


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Mon 10/29/12 04:53 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 10/29/12 04:57 PM


Latest poll results

76.9 % yes it was an inside job.
12.4% say no

The rest are the other choices.

Thank you all for voting.

drinker

Who can defend the official version of 911 and keep a straight face at this point?


You just refuse to acknowledge that you're pushing a logical fallacy. Incredible. slaphead

Btw, how are you going with this?

On Farmer's supposed quotes:

You know as well as I do that you lifted this quote from an article promoting Farmer's book. I was there and I remember your post, so please do not misrepresent what I said any further-it is dishonest. The quotes were merged to provide controversial copy for the back cover. It is a common sales technique where hyperbole is generated by merging quotes to create copy that entices the target audience to buy it. Have you read Farmer's book yet? If so, could you please place the merged quotes in context, for they are obviously not in their original state. I've asked this in three threads and you fail to even acknowledge the question, let alone attempt to answer it.





Let me help you. You originally posted Farmer's quotes from a book review written by a truther for Salem News. This person relied heavily on the back cover copy to write the review ( I know, I've read it).

Let us have a look at what Publisher's Weekly said about the same book:

Farmer, senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, updates the commission's report in this thorough and bipartisan analysis. Drawing on newly declassified records and recent investigative reports from the departments of defense and transportation, the author concludes that the failure to detect and prevent the attack lay in the [bureaucratic] nature of modern government. Most significantly, rules proscribing information-sharing within and among agencies meant that no one had complete access to all available intelligence or information—typical bureaucratic inertia that presaged the government's bungled response to Hurricane Katrina. Farmer faults the disconnect between decision-makers and operational employees, concluding that leadership was irrelevant on 9/11 and the official version of events was almost entirely, and inexplicably, untrue. Farmer's conclusion that bureaucratic government does not adapt fast enough to changing missions to be effective is not original, but in his careful exegesis of the events of 9/11, he transcends easy generalizations to expose the fault lines in contemporary governance and point the way to fundamental reform. (Sept.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

A conspiracy? Farmer agrees with what I've thought all along, that the inability of agencies to share information was at fault, not some grand conspiracy.

When my copy arrives I'll keep you informed, but your mantra using Farmer is looking rather shaky.

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Mon 10/29/12 04:56 PM

Lets get back on topic. mkay?




So, Mr. Moron's paper you posted was off topic?

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Mon 10/29/12 04:58 PM



When a small group of activists representing peace and human rights groups, marched on Senator Feinstein’s office to Demand a Congressional Investigation of 9-11 on January 8th, 2002, they raised a large number of questions and issues. Bush immediately responded by asking Daschle to limit the inquiry. Indeed, the mandate of the investigation seemed to be “come up with an excuse as to why we failed to prevent September 11th and explain how we could justify increasing our budget to prevent future terrorist attacks.” Most revealing of the official nature of the “whitewash” was the fact that the heads of the Senate and House Intelligence Oversight Committee, responsible for the 9-11 investigation, on the actual morning of September 11, 2001, were having breakfast with Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad (the head of Pakistani Intelligence who helped the US and the Saudis to create the Al Qaeda Network). Ahmad was also identified to be responsible for having $100,000 sent to Mohamed Atta, the lead hijacker in the World Trade Center attacks (according to the FBI).

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Mon 10/29/12 04:59 PM


Lets get back on topic. mkay?




So, Mr. Moron's paper you posted was off topic?


What is off topic are your demeaning personal remarks.

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Mon 10/29/12 05:07 PM
Another Poll

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.
The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Was-9-11-an-inside-job-1210643.php#ixzz2Ajhv7cxI

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