Topic: Was 9/11 an 'inside job?' - Poll
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Tue 10/30/12 03:20 PM
Do you believe politicians tell the truth?



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Tue 10/30/12 03:21 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 10/30/12 03:21 PM




As far as the money the Bush family made from the Iraq war, that is all a matter of RECORD. I'm sure the exact figures are not even near the true amount.


What is a matter of record is that various companies that members of the Bush family had either once sat on the board, or still do made money out of reconstruction contracts, etc. That is a more accurate appraisal. The actual figures are merely speculation as it hasn't been demonstrated that any amount actually found its way to the family directly. I know many sites have blown this out of proportion, or jumped to conclusions, but the facts as we know them aren't really all that incriminating.



Most criminals aren't really all that honest about their income. I don't know if there has even been any kind of investigation into the financial affairs of the criminal Elite, and why would there be? They are of course experts at hiding their money. But the Bush family has been into oil, guns, drugs, etc. for several generations.

Brought to trial? No, of course not. When criminals run the court systems, own the politicians, how would that be possible? Also, I'm sure most of the criminal acts are all done within the law. Just like how the Bankers steal money. Its all legal. They just take your money and then go bankrupt.

and the courts let them off.


How criminals launder and use creative accounting is common knowledge, but that doesn't prove a thing about the Bush family.

The assumptions:

The Bush family wanted to make money out of restoration contracts awarded to various companies they have a finacial interest in. So, they needed a reason to start a war with Iraq. They devise a plot to bring down the WTC as a pretext to initiate an invasion. They use Al Qaeda as the culprit and then go after Afghanistan and the Taliban. Later, manipulating the UN into acting upon the many resolutions violated by Hussein, they finally get to invade Iraq and realise their evil plan.

I mean, seriously?



That is what you think I am saying?


That is how it reads, as you haven't been very specific.

You clearly don't see the big picture.


I'm sorry if I don't share your imagination on the subject.

The money made by the Bush family was just a small part of the game.


Yet, this is pure conjecture.

You know its just a game don't you?


A game someone invented?

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Tue 10/30/12 03:31 PM
A game someone invented?



A game is a game.
I have no idea who may have "invented" it.

I just know it is a game.

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Wed 10/31/12 02:25 PM
Latest poll results.


Was 911 an inside job?

77.3 % say yes

12.1% say no

9.2% say depends how you define inside.

1.4% say none of the above.

cast your vote at.
http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/379-was-911-an-inside-job-poll.html

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Wed 10/31/12 02:41 PM

Latest poll results.


Was 911 an inside job?

77.3 % say yes

12.1% say no

9.2% say depends how you define inside.

1.4% say none of the above.

cast your vote at.
http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/379-was-911-an-inside-job-poll.html
worthless!

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Wed 10/31/12 03:11 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Wed 10/31/12 03:12 PM



Latest poll results

76.9 % yes it was an inside job.
12.4% say no

The rest are the other choices.

Thank you all for voting.

drinker

Who can defend the official version of 911 and keep a straight face at this point?


You just refuse to acknowledge that you're pushing a logical fallacy. Incredible. slaphead

Btw, how are you going with this?

On Farmer's supposed quotes:

You know as well as I do that you lifted this quote from an article promoting Farmer's book. I was there and I remember your post, so please do not misrepresent what I said any further-it is dishonest. The quotes were merged to provide controversial copy for the back cover. It is a common sales technique where hyperbole is generated by merging quotes to create copy that entices the target audience to buy it. Have you read Farmer's book yet? If so, could you please place the merged quotes in context, for they are obviously not in their original state. I've asked this in three threads and you fail to even acknowledge the question, let alone attempt to answer it.





Let me help you. You originally posted Farmer's quotes from a book review written by a truther for Salem News. This person relied heavily on the back cover copy to write the review ( I know, I've read it).

Let us have a look at what Publisher's Weekly said about the same book:

Farmer, senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, updates the commission's report in this thorough and bipartisan analysis. Drawing on newly declassified records and recent investigative reports from the departments of defense and transportation, the author concludes that the failure to detect and prevent the attack lay in the [bureaucratic] nature of modern government. Most significantly, rules proscribing information-sharing within and among agencies meant that no one had complete access to all available intelligence or information—typical bureaucratic inertia that presaged the government's bungled response to Hurricane Katrina. Farmer faults the disconnect between decision-makers and operational employees, concluding that leadership was irrelevant on 9/11 and the official version of events was almost entirely, and inexplicably, untrue. Farmer's conclusion that bureaucratic government does not adapt fast enough to changing missions to be effective is not original, but in his careful exegesis of the events of 9/11, he transcends easy generalizations to expose the fault lines in contemporary governance and point the way to fundamental reform. (Sept.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

A conspiracy? Farmer agrees with what I've thought all along, that the inability of agencies to share information was at fault, not some grand conspiracy.

When my copy arrives I'll keep you informed, but your mantra using Farmer is looking rather shaky.


Just in case you missed this (again).

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Wed 10/31/12 03:31 PM




Latest poll results

76.9 % yes it was an inside job.
12.4% say no

The rest are the other choices.

Thank you all for voting.

drinker

Who can defend the official version of 911 and keep a straight face at this point?


You just refuse to acknowledge that you're pushing a logical fallacy. Incredible. slaphead

Btw, how are you going with this?

On Farmer's supposed quotes:

You know as well as I do that you lifted this quote from an article promoting Farmer's book. I was there and I remember your post, so please do not misrepresent what I said any further-it is dishonest. The quotes were merged to provide controversial copy for the back cover. It is a common sales technique where hyperbole is generated by merging quotes to create copy that entices the target audience to buy it. Have you read Farmer's book yet? If so, could you please place the merged quotes in context, for they are obviously not in their original state. I've asked this in three threads and you fail to even acknowledge the question, let alone attempt to answer it.





Let me help you. You originally posted Farmer's quotes from a book review written by a truther for Salem News. This person relied heavily on the back cover copy to write the review ( I know, I've read it).

Let us have a look at what Publisher's Weekly said about the same book:

Farmer, senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, updates the commission's report in this thorough and bipartisan analysis. Drawing on newly declassified records and recent investigative reports from the departments of defense and transportation, the author concludes that the failure to detect and prevent the attack lay in the [bureaucratic] nature of modern government. Most significantly, rules proscribing information-sharing within and among agencies meant that no one had complete access to all available intelligence or information—typical bureaucratic inertia that presaged the government's bungled response to Hurricane Katrina. Farmer faults the disconnect between decision-makers and operational employees, concluding that leadership was irrelevant on 9/11 and the official version of events was almost entirely, and inexplicably, untrue. Farmer's conclusion that bureaucratic government does not adapt fast enough to changing missions to be effective is not original, but in his careful exegesis of the events of 9/11, he transcends easy generalizations to expose the fault lines in contemporary governance and point the way to fundamental reform. (Sept.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

A conspiracy? Farmer agrees with what I've thought all along, that the inability of agencies to share information was at fault, not some grand conspiracy.

When my copy arrives I'll keep you informed, but your mantra using Farmer is looking rather shaky.


Just in case you missed this (again).


... but if Farmer was an alien ... then it all makes sense!

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Wed 10/31/12 03:36 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 10/31/12 03:37 PM





Latest poll results

76.9 % yes it was an inside job.
12.4% say no

The rest are the other choices.

Thank you all for voting.

drinker

Who can defend the official version of 911 and keep a straight face at this point?


You just refuse to acknowledge that you're pushing a logical fallacy. Incredible. slaphead

Btw, how are you going with this?

On Farmer's supposed quotes:

You know as well as I do that you lifted this quote from an article promoting Farmer's book. I was there and I remember your post, so please do not misrepresent what I said any further-it is dishonest. The quotes were merged to provide controversial copy for the back cover. It is a common sales technique where hyperbole is generated by merging quotes to create copy that entices the target audience to buy it. Have you read Farmer's book yet? If so, could you please place the merged quotes in context, for they are obviously not in their original state. I've asked this in three threads and you fail to even acknowledge the question, let alone attempt to answer it.





Let me help you. You originally posted Farmer's quotes from a book review written by a truther for Salem News. This person relied heavily on the back cover copy to write the review ( I know, I've read it).

Let us have a look at what Publisher's Weekly said about the same book:

Farmer, senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, updates the commission's report in this thorough and bipartisan analysis. Drawing on newly declassified records and recent investigative reports from the departments of defense and transportation, the author concludes that the failure to detect and prevent the attack lay in the [bureaucratic] nature of modern government. Most significantly, rules proscribing information-sharing within and among agencies meant that no one had complete access to all available intelligence or information—typical bureaucratic inertia that presaged the government's bungled response to Hurricane Katrina. Farmer faults the disconnect between decision-makers and operational employees, concluding that leadership was irrelevant on 9/11 and the official version of events was almost entirely, and inexplicably, untrue. Farmer's conclusion that bureaucratic government does not adapt fast enough to changing missions to be effective is not original, but in his careful exegesis of the events of 9/11, he transcends easy generalizations to expose the fault lines in contemporary governance and point the way to fundamental reform. (Sept.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

A conspiracy? Farmer agrees with what I've thought all along, that the inability of agencies to share information was at fault, not some grand conspiracy.

When my copy arrives I'll keep you informed, but your mantra using Farmer is looking rather shaky.


Just in case you missed this (again).


... but if Farmer was an alien ... then it all makes sense!

noway
CONEHEAD

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Thu 11/01/12 01:04 PM
Was 911 an Inside Job? the poll says.

77.6% say yes

12% say no

9.1% say depends how you define inside.

1.3% say none of the above.

cast your vote at http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/379-was-911-an-inside-job-poll.html

The more who vote the more accurate the poll pass it around.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 11/01/12 01:18 PM

Was 911 an Inside Job? the poll says.

77.6% say yes

12% say no

9.1% say depends how you define inside.

1.3% say none of the above.

cast your vote at http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/379-was-911-an-inside-job-poll.html

The more who vote the more accurate the poll pass it around.
worthless Drivel!
You can't think with your Emotions,and that is exactly what they are doing over there!
And regardless how fervently they wish it,and how many times you repeat it here,it still won't become Fact!

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 11/01/12 01:21 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 11/01/12 01:29 PM


Was 911 an Inside Job? the poll says.

77.6% say yes

12% say no

9.1% say depends how you define inside.

1.3% say none of the above.

cast your vote at http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/379-was-911-an-inside-job-poll.html

The more who vote the more accurate the poll pass it around.
worthless Drivel!
You can't think with your Emotions,and that is exactly what they are doing over there!
And regardless how fervently they wish it,and how many times you repeat it here,it still won't become Fact!


Why bother? He's the only one taking this seriously. He can't seem to understand what a logical fallacy is.

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Thu 11/01/12 01:24 PM
Its just a poll. Lighten up. Why would anyone care what people think?

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 11/01/12 01:31 PM

Its just a poll. Lighten up. Why would anyone care what people think?


Exactly! If he wishes to bleat this silly mantra, let him. Who gives a toss about a flawed poll? It's just spamming anyway.

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Thu 11/01/12 01:37 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/01/12 01:38 PM


Its just a poll. Lighten up. Why would anyone care what people think?


Exactly! If he wishes to bleat this silly mantra, let him. Who gives a toss about a flawed poll? It's just spamming anyway.


So why would you open and participate in a thread of spam?


HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 11/01/12 01:40 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 11/01/12 01:43 PM



Its just a poll. Lighten up. Why would anyone care what people think?


Exactly! If he wishes to bleat this silly mantra, let him. Who gives a toss about a flawed poll? It's just spamming anyway.


So why would you open and participate in a thread of spam?




I didn't open it. Haven't you read it? I want him to answer my question, not that it's any business of yours. And I'm free to participate in whatever I like. Why do you care what I think?

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Thu 11/01/12 02:14 PM




Its just a poll. Lighten up. Why would anyone care what people think?


Exactly! If he wishes to bleat this silly mantra, let him. Who gives a toss about a flawed poll? It's just spamming anyway.


So why would you open and participate in a thread of spam?




I didn't open it. Haven't you read it? I want him to answer my question, not that it's any business of yours. And I'm free to participate in whatever I like. Why do you care what I think?



You "open" a thread when you click on it. You know what the topic of this thread is all about, and you call it "spam." I am just curious why you opened the thread to participate in this thread of spam.


Conrad_73's photo
Thu 11/01/12 02:37 PM

I created this poll because I'm really curious about the numbers, especially among people who are within my purview. Please answer it, leave a comment and pass it around!

Vote here. http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/379-was-911-an-inside-job-poll.html

so far its 75.7 for yes its an inside job

12.9% no it was not an inside job.

and 1.5% for none of the above.

The poll is current cast your vote.



Bestinshow's photo
Thu 11/01/12 02:39 PM


Its just a poll. Lighten up. Why would anyone care what people think?


Exactly! If he wishes to bleat this silly mantra, let him. Who gives a toss about a flawed poll? It's just spamming anyway.
Feel free to vote eh?

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 11/01/12 02:53 PM


I created this poll because I'm really curious about the numbers, especially among people who are within my purview. Please answer it, leave a comment and pass it around!

Vote here. http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/379-was-911-an-inside-job-poll.html

so far its 75.7 for yes its an inside job

12.9% no it was not an inside job.

and 1.5% for none of the above.

The poll is current cast your vote.




Bestinshow's photo
Thu 11/01/12 02:57 PM
Mr Conrad.

the current results are as follows.

Was 911 an Inside Job? the poll says.

77.6% say yes

12% say no

9.1% say depends how you define inside.

1.3% say none of the above.

I know how you feel this thread is not about the "debate"

again pass it around to your peers let them vote as well here is the link again.

http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/379-was-911-an-inside-job-poll.html

Please sty on topic, thanking you in advance