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Maybe Obama will release some more top secret classified information. he is good at that. also good at taking down terrorists,,,just saying,,, Really? Which one? |
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Maybe Obama will release some more top secret classified information. he is good at that. also good at taking down terrorists,,,just saying,,, Really? Which one? That is a good trick since he misses 60% of the White House security meetings. 
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... Obamonators have no use for the truth. There will be no inquiry. There will be no answers. It will be swept under the table. Hussein is true to one phrase. He will always stand with the Muslims. |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... Obamonators have no use for the truth. There will be no inquiry. There will be no answers. It will be swept under the table. Hussein is true to one phrase. He will always stand with the Muslims. HAAAA yeah, thats why so many of them have died on his watch, why he supports same sex marriage and right to choose,,,, haaa, yeah, a textbook muslim if ever there was one  anyhow, I actually did ask about more information on what 'statements' are being referred to and who made them |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? Why can't you look things up for yourself Harmony...You mean you have not heard the original explanation about the anti-Islam video being the "cause" of the attack...or how it was not an organized terrorist attack...Are you saying that just because Biden and Obama claim they were not aware of the need for additional security they get a pass...Do you really think the blame falls on our Secretary of State...Do you remember the attack on the Red Cross office in Benghazi in May?...How about the attack on the consulate's north gate in June?....There is so much more, do your own research for Craps sake.... I feel that my posts are quite specific... |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? Why can't you look things up for yourself Harmony...You mean you have not heard the original explanation about the anti-Islam video being the "cause" of the attack...or how it was not an organized terrorist attack...Are you saying that just because Biden and Obama claim they were not aware of the need for additional security they get a pass...Do you really think the blame falls on our Secretary of State...Do you remember the attack on the Red Cross office in Benghazi in May?...How about the attack on the consulate's north gate in June?....There is so much more, do your own research for Craps sake.... I feel that my posts are quite specific... no, I would not be asking if I had heard, all I have heard are similar accusations that such statements were made as I said I have people in my family who make such requests themself and they dont speak directly to the president or vice president about them, they go up a CHAIN OF COMMAND, and I can certainly believe every single request is not personally seen by the commander in chief when he has so much on his plate and there are other PAID administrators whose job it is to both review and decide upon what course to take (whether to escalate it up the chain of command or not) I think the 'blame' falls as much on sec clinton as the blame falls on bush for 9/11 attacks, they have any number of these requests all over the world and they have intelligence professionals to assess their urgency and recommend course of action,,the intelligence failed here as it did 9/11. when we lost at least 1000 times as many people and got behind that president and reelected that president but back to my point, in response to the poster claiming folks dont want to know the truth my specific questions are what was ACTUALLY Stated and by whom,, I didnt see either of those specifics in your post,,,sorry does there happen to be an answer ? |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? Why can't you look things up for yourself Harmony...You mean you have not heard the original explanation about the anti-Islam video being the "cause" of the attack...or how it was not an organized terrorist attack...Are you saying that just because Biden and Obama claim they were not aware of the need for additional security they get a pass...Do you really think the blame falls on our Secretary of State...Do you remember the attack on the Red Cross office in Benghazi in May?...How about the attack on the consulate's north gate in June?....There is so much more, do your own research for Craps sake.... I feel that my posts are quite specific... no, I would not be asking if I had heard, all I have heard are similar accusations that such statements were made as I said I have people in my family who make such requests themself and they dont speak directly to the president or vice president about them, they go up a CHAIN OF COMMAND, and I can certainly believe every single request is not personally seen by the commander in chief when he has so much on his plate and there are other PAID administrators whose job it is to both review and decide upon what course to take (whether to escalate it up the chain of command or not) I think the 'blame' falls as much on sec clinton as the blame falls on bush for 9/11 attacks, they have any number of these requests all over the world and they have intelligence professionals to assess their urgency and recommend course of action,,the intelligence failed here as it did 9/11. when we lost at least 1000 times as many people and got behind that president and reelected that president but back to my point, in response to the poster claiming folks dont want to know the truth my specific questions are what was ACTUALLY Stated and by whom,, I didnt see either of those specifics in your post,,,sorry does there happen to be an answer ? Here's an answer for you...The ISSUE is not what happened and who is to blame, the ISSUE is how your man and his minions lied to the public...Obama is a proven liar whether you like it or not...Biden is a proven liar whether you like it or not, and Clinton is a proven liar whether you like it or not..And just cause I'm a nice person I'll give you a tiny little hint, much of this was talked about in the debates, all three of them...You did watch them didn't you.... |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? Why can't you look things up for yourself Harmony...You mean you have not heard the original explanation about the anti-Islam video being the "cause" of the attack...or how it was not an organized terrorist attack...Are you saying that just because Biden and Obama claim they were not aware of the need for additional security they get a pass...Do you really think the blame falls on our Secretary of State...Do you remember the attack on the Red Cross office in Benghazi in May?...How about the attack on the consulate's north gate in June?....There is so much more, do your own research for Craps sake.... I feel that my posts are quite specific... Liberals have no use for truth. I don't play 20 questions, Ms Leigh. It's an insult to intelligent people who know how to goo-goo. At one point the White house said it was aware the Embassy asked for more security. They were blown off. Now, the White House flips and says they knew nada. Come to find out, Steven's visit was supposed to be a secret so, there are those suggesting there was a high-level leak about him being there. Wonder what he had on someone and why that someone would target him for assassination? |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? Why can't you look things up for yourself Harmony...You mean you have not heard the original explanation about the anti-Islam video being the "cause" of the attack...or how it was not an organized terrorist attack...Are you saying that just because Biden and Obama claim they were not aware of the need for additional security they get a pass...Do you really think the blame falls on our Secretary of State...Do you remember the attack on the Red Cross office in Benghazi in May?...How about the attack on the consulate's north gate in June?....There is so much more, do your own research for Craps sake.... I feel that my posts are quite specific... no, I would not be asking if I had heard, all I have heard are similar accusations that such statements were made as I said I have people in my family who make such requests themself and they dont speak directly to the president or vice president about them, they go up a CHAIN OF COMMAND, and I can certainly believe every single request is not personally seen by the commander in chief when he has so much on his plate and there are other PAID administrators whose job it is to both review and decide upon what course to take (whether to escalate it up the chain of command or not) I think the 'blame' falls as much on sec clinton as the blame falls on bush for 9/11 attacks, they have any number of these requests all over the world and they have intelligence professionals to assess their urgency and recommend course of action,,the intelligence failed here as it did 9/11. when we lost at least 1000 times as many people and got behind that president and reelected that president but back to my point, in response to the poster claiming folks dont want to know the truth my specific questions are what was ACTUALLY Stated and by whom,, I didnt see either of those specifics in your post,,,sorry does there happen to be an answer ? Here's an answer for you...The ISSUE is not what happened and who is to blame, the ISSUE is how your man and his minions lied to the public...Obama is a proven liar whether you like it or not...Biden is a proven liar whether you like it or not, and Clinton is a proven liar whether you like it or not..And just cause I'm a nice person I'll give you a tiny little hint, much of this was talked about in the debates, all three of them...You did watch them didn't you.... ok, great, , so lets change the issue to the 'lies' is there any statement in particular that I can read for myself that was a 'lie'? yes, I watched all three debates, which kind of show how all the candidates 'lie' (according to media standards where failed projections and goals are lies and where factual mistakes are also intentional lies) but again,, what did Obama or his 'minions' say regarding the attack which was a 'lie'? |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? Why can't you look things up for yourself Harmony...You mean you have not heard the original explanation about the anti-Islam video being the "cause" of the attack...or how it was not an organized terrorist attack...Are you saying that just because Biden and Obama claim they were not aware of the need for additional security they get a pass...Do you really think the blame falls on our Secretary of State...Do you remember the attack on the Red Cross office in Benghazi in May?...How about the attack on the consulate's north gate in June?....There is so much more, do your own research for Craps sake.... I feel that my posts are quite specific... Liberals have no use for truth. I don't play 20 questions, Ms Leigh. It's an insult to intelligent people who know how to goo-goo. At one point the White house said it was aware the Embassy asked for more security. They were blown off. Now, the White House flips and says they knew nada. Come to find out, Steven's visit was supposed to be a secret so, there are those suggesting there was a high-level leak about him being there. Wonder what he had on someone and why that someone would target him for assassination? if 'liberals' have no use for truth because they ask questions,,lol does that mean 'cosnervatives' have no use for anything but the truth they create because they dodge questions? 
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a quote on those lies regarding the benghazi incident,,,anyone?
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? Why can't you look things up for yourself Harmony...You mean you have not heard the original explanation about the anti-Islam video being the "cause" of the attack...or how it was not an organized terrorist attack...Are you saying that just because Biden and Obama claim they were not aware of the need for additional security they get a pass...Do you really think the blame falls on our Secretary of State...Do you remember the attack on the Red Cross office in Benghazi in May?...How about the attack on the consulate's north gate in June?....There is so much more, do your own research for Craps sake.... I feel that my posts are quite specific... no, I would not be asking if I had heard, all I have heard are similar accusations that such statements were made as I said I have people in my family who make such requests themself and they dont speak directly to the president or vice president about them, they go up a CHAIN OF COMMAND, and I can certainly believe every single request is not personally seen by the commander in chief when he has so much on his plate and there are other PAID administrators whose job it is to both review and decide upon what course to take (whether to escalate it up the chain of command or not) I think the 'blame' falls as much on sec clinton as the blame falls on bush for 9/11 attacks, they have any number of these requests all over the world and they have intelligence professionals to assess their urgency and recommend course of action,,the intelligence failed here as it did 9/11. when we lost at least 1000 times as many people and got behind that president and reelected that president but back to my point, in response to the poster claiming folks dont want to know the truth my specific questions are what was ACTUALLY Stated and by whom,, I didnt see either of those specifics in your post,,,sorry does there happen to be an answer ? Here's an answer for you...The ISSUE is not what happened and who is to blame, the ISSUE is how your man and his minions lied to the public...Obama is a proven liar whether you like it or not...Biden is a proven liar whether you like it or not, and Clinton is a proven liar whether you like it or not..And just cause I'm a nice person I'll give you a tiny little hint, much of this was talked about in the debates, all three of them...You did watch them didn't you.... ok, great, , so lets change the issue to the 'lies' is there any statement in particular that I can read for myself that was a 'lie'? yes, I watched all three debates, which kind of show how all the candidates 'lie' (according to media standards where failed projections and goals are lies and where factual mistakes are also intentional lies) but again,, what did Obama or his 'minions' say regarding the attack which was a 'lie'? Your question has been answered several times.... |
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? Why can't you look things up for yourself Harmony...You mean you have not heard the original explanation about the anti-Islam video being the "cause" of the attack...or how it was not an organized terrorist attack...Are you saying that just because Biden and Obama claim they were not aware of the need for additional security they get a pass...Do you really think the blame falls on our Secretary of State...Do you remember the attack on the Red Cross office in Benghazi in May?...How about the attack on the consulate's north gate in June?....There is so much more, do your own research for Craps sake.... I feel that my posts are quite specific... no, I would not be asking if I had heard, all I have heard are similar accusations that such statements were made as I said I have people in my family who make such requests themself and they dont speak directly to the president or vice president about them, they go up a CHAIN OF COMMAND, and I can certainly believe every single request is not personally seen by the commander in chief when he has so much on his plate and there are other PAID administrators whose job it is to both review and decide upon what course to take (whether to escalate it up the chain of command or not) I think the 'blame' falls as much on sec clinton as the blame falls on bush for 9/11 attacks, they have any number of these requests all over the world and they have intelligence professionals to assess their urgency and recommend course of action,,the intelligence failed here as it did 9/11. when we lost at least 1000 times as many people and got behind that president and reelected that president but back to my point, in response to the poster claiming folks dont want to know the truth my specific questions are what was ACTUALLY Stated and by whom,, I didnt see either of those specifics in your post,,,sorry does there happen to be an answer ? Here's an answer for you...The ISSUE is not what happened and who is to blame, the ISSUE is how your man and his minions lied to the public...Obama is a proven liar whether you like it or not...Biden is a proven liar whether you like it or not, and Clinton is a proven liar whether you like it or not..And just cause I'm a nice person I'll give you a tiny little hint, much of this was talked about in the debates, all three of them...You did watch them didn't you.... ok, great, , so lets change the issue to the 'lies' is there any statement in particular that I can read for myself that was a 'lie'? yes, I watched all three debates, which kind of show how all the candidates 'lie' (according to media standards where failed projections and goals are lies and where factual mistakes are also intentional lies) but again,, what did Obama or his 'minions' say regarding the attack which was a 'lie'? Well, if you watched the debates, they either lied or they didn't...Media standards had nothing to do with it....and as far as I could tell there was no bleeping out the lies as they told them
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As far as Embassy attacks go, it looks like the current president has done an improvement. The last successful one (Lebanon, in 1983) cost over 100 American lives and we evacuated from the country. That's right, the beloved icon of Reagan did nothing, left, and gave Hezbollah a nice strong foothold in the region. We remain in Libya. While the loss of lives is tragic, our enemies no longer send written grievances along with a declaration of war. Which means, by it's definition, that we have little, if any, warning that an attack will occur. I'm almost certain that if the American public had any idea of the actual amount of terroristic threats that we, as a nation, received on a daily basis, we'd be so overwhelmed with fear (as our media and government love to drum up) that it would literally cripple our country. To blame the president every time a handful of radicals does something stupid, shows a complete lack of respect for the office (even if you don't approve of the current office holder). I said the same thing when "W" was in office: the president cannot be blamed for the attack, only his reaction to it. When you have an Ambassador jumping up and down screaming for more security and protection to the State Department, DOD and the White House even predicting his own death, yea the President could have done something about that but he's an amature. The ambassador was asking for more security in Tripoli not Bengazi where the attack occurred. The attack was a well orchestrated military style raid using mortars and small arms not a local random uprising. What would you have the president or the state department do, station a division of marines at every embassy outpost? Ambassador Stevens asked for AND GOT extra security for Tripoli in FEBRUARY....What is in question is the request from Eric Nordstrom...In MARCH he asked for additional diplomatic security in Benghazi and received NO response...In JULY, he asked again and got NO response...There is a timeline here...If you knew the timeline, you would understand the issue is not so much how or why the attack happened, the ISSUE is about how the Obama administration "changed' explanations.....The ISSUE is about why these requests for additional security were not addressed....The ISSUE is about why Clinton blamed the attack on an anti-Islam video...The ISSUE is about why VP Biden said he was unaware of the request for more security when there is sworn testimony from the State Department that DIRECTLY contradicts Biden....These are the ISSUES..... I have heard so much opinion about what happenes but am able to find very little actual DETAIL of what happened from an official source,,, other experts have said the request for five security agents still would not have thwarted the tragedy , hindsight is twenty twenty,,all we can do now is move forward I have loved ones in similar situations right now who send such requests as well, they dont go directly to the president or vice president, but sometimes they make it up the chain to them this may not have been one of those times All of this sounds real pat...Just like Obama's explanations....But it does not change the fact that the current administration "shifted" explanations and even if you don't care to know the truth, I do....I will "move forward" from this ISSUE once the truth is determined and presented to the public..The timeline of these events is not OPIN, it is fact, all documentable........I would think since you have "loved ones" sending requests for additional security you would want to know the truth too... can you be more specific about what 'explanations' you are referring to and whom in the administration made them? Why can't you look things up for yourself Harmony...You mean you have not heard the original explanation about the anti-Islam video being the "cause" of the attack...or how it was not an organized terrorist attack...Are you saying that just because Biden and Obama claim they were not aware of the need for additional security they get a pass...Do you really think the blame falls on our Secretary of State...Do you remember the attack on the Red Cross office in Benghazi in May?...How about the attack on the consulate's north gate in June?....There is so much more, do your own research for Craps sake.... I feel that my posts are quite specific... no, I would not be asking if I had heard, all I have heard are similar accusations that such statements were made as I said I have people in my family who make such requests themself and they dont speak directly to the president or vice president about them, they go up a CHAIN OF COMMAND, and I can certainly believe every single request is not personally seen by the commander in chief when he has so much on his plate and there are other PAID administrators whose job it is to both review and decide upon what course to take (whether to escalate it up the chain of command or not) I think the 'blame' falls as much on sec clinton as the blame falls on bush for 9/11 attacks, they have any number of these requests all over the world and they have intelligence professionals to assess their urgency and recommend course of action,,the intelligence failed here as it did 9/11. when we lost at least 1000 times as many people and got behind that president and reelected that president but back to my point, in response to the poster claiming folks dont want to know the truth my specific questions are what was ACTUALLY Stated and by whom,, I didnt see either of those specifics in your post,,,sorry does there happen to be an answer ? Here's an answer for you...The ISSUE is not what happened and who is to blame, the ISSUE is how your man and his minions lied to the public...Obama is a proven liar whether you like it or not...Biden is a proven liar whether you like it or not, and Clinton is a proven liar whether you like it or not..And just cause I'm a nice person I'll give you a tiny little hint, much of this was talked about in the debates, all three of them...You did watch them didn't you.... ok, great, , so lets change the issue to the 'lies' is there any statement in particular that I can read for myself that was a 'lie'? yes, I watched all three debates, which kind of show how all the candidates 'lie' (according to media standards where failed projections and goals are lies and where factual mistakes are also intentional lies) but again,, what did Obama or his 'minions' say regarding the attack which was a 'lie'? Your question has been answered a several times.... lol, no it hasnt the answer has been, go find your own answer,,lol |
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