Fun wrote:
“and then i run across alot of women that dont want anything but the attention.”

Yeah, I don’t need a woman who needs attention.

I want a woman who will leave me the hell alone! (ha ha)

Seriously I do.

I know that sounds terrible, but I’d really just like to kind of coexist with a woman who doesn’t need anything from me but to know I’m here.

Yes I know. I’ll have to wait until I die and go to heaven for that one. And even then God will probably beg me to settle for a different dream.

I agree with all of Abra's points. Very rational and thought out.

However...

4fun - Why do you have to "compete" to chat on these forums? Why don't you just instant message directly or email them? The forums don't really say much about the person anyway.

??? i dont compete...

it's kinda hard to talk to a girl when she constantly has multiple conversations going. the quality of the conversation just isn't there.

Your post..."its hard to chat with a lady when they have 20 guys going after them at the same time. i have seen it over and over on this computer dateing stuff. "

What do you expect to happen if you aren't talking to them directly?

"The forums don't really say much about the person anyway."


I disagree....I find out twice much about a person on the forums compared to email their thoughts and points of view on certain topics.

The deck is stacked
against us men.

???
who are the women dating????
men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hiker wrote:
“Well Abra
what does that prove?

That women LIKE
being mistreated?”

No it’s not like that at all.

Women want a “go getter” so they shy away from shy men, and they are naturally attracted to the men who go after them. They just don’t stop to realize that the men who go after them are most likely the players. Especially if the guy is coming on with a lot of confidence. After all, if a man is insincere he has NOTHING to offer, and therefore NOTHING to LOSE! Why not be confident?

A sincere many has EVERYTHING to offer, and there fore he has EVERYTHING to LOSE.

In short, if a man is coming onto a woman with tons of confidence, that should actually been seen as a red flag.

But women seem to think in just the opposite terms. A man who appears to be unsure of himself raises a red flag. So they reject the most sincere men who are stuttering to find the right words, and date the guys who have the cool smooth lines.

It just backfires on them unexpectedly. They aren’t actually seeking players, it’s just that players, and insincere men REEK of confidence which women LOVE!

Sincere men REEK of insecurity which women DESPISE . So they reject them before they even get to know them.

So women aren’t thinking in terms of players. They are thinking in terms of CONFIDENCE, SECURITY, and EXCITEMENT.

And then the liars will also promise them the moon which the sincere man can't because the sincere man will only promise what he can actually deliver. And that's usually pretty mundane and unexciting.

King- "it's kinda hard to talk to a girl when she constantly has multiple conversations going. the quality of the conversation just isn't there. "

That's why you need to email directly or send an instant message. The forums are all in good fun, but the woman wants to know you are interested in THEM and not the goof convo they are engaged in on the forums.


Redd- " disagree....I find out twice much about a person on the forums compared to email their thoughts and points of view on certain topics. "

Ok, to a certain extent I agree. But, I can honestly say that a person's "forum persona" is only one aspect of their personality. And half the time there's so much joking going on that the "real" relationship is never developed. And I'm not just talking romantic. It's frustrating when the depth doesn't develop.

oh come on mnhiker the woe is me I can't get a date outlook will not be attractive.....

it is a fact of life if any man has not learned it by now that Women are attracted to competitive males if they admit it or not the man that turns their head will be the Guy going out of his way to get Her attention.....not sit in the corner and pout.

Abra "Women want a “go getter” so they shy away from shy men, and they are naturally attracted to the men who go after them. They just don’t stop to realize that the men who go after them are most likely the players. Especially if the guy is coming on with a lot of confidence. After all, if a man is insincere he has NOTHING to offer, and therefore NOTHING to LOSE! Why not be confident? "


No no...Women KNOW who the players are. But I'd agree that we do want even the most shy guy out there to at least make a small effort to show their interest.

Some of them
could be dating
other women,
nurjoyce.

i was talking about email and IM bayareagal.

once again who are the women dating???
men
so how can you say it is easier???
just the same

well back to the board

Redd "oh come on mnhiker the woe is me I can't get a date outlook will not be attractive.....

it is a fact of life if any man has not learned it by now that Women are attracted to competitive males if they admit it or not the man that turns their head will be the Guy going out of his way to get Her attention.....not sit in the corner and pout. "


No way. A man does not have to be completely confident. Are you kidding me?? A sincere woman knows that men are the more sensitive to rejection and would therefore appreciate it when he makes the initial move.

Man, you guys are seriously putting effort into the wrong women if you keep getting burned the way you do.

these topics are really douche baggish obviously 98% of everyone here is having problems getting a date hence why they are here.. don't be so egocentric to think your sex is different.

Sorry, King. Can you copy-paste some context? There are too many trains of thoughts going on right now. It's hard to keep up!

Thx!

Did I say I was getting burned?????

I'm pointing out a fact.

and don't give me that sensitive let down crap it just doesn't cut it in the dating world.


Please.....