Topic: Good job, America
Chazster's photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:25 AM
This years instate tuition for 15 hours is $3500 a semester.

no photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:27 AM
Edited by singmesweet on Tue 09/18/12 10:27 AM



It's certainly not only rich kids who are going to college.


SMS flowerforyou I said "high level" education... I'm sure you'll agree, the scholarship programs are the only way for real poor kids to attend quality Colleges/Universities.

I'm done here... Thx


Depends where you live. There are loans, grants, financial aid. Not all good schools are expensive. LSU was only like $2500 a semester when I went there. I transfer to a smaller college that was like $1600 a semester. I got a quality education. I know Louisiana has statewide scholarship programs that just about anyone can get very easily.


Were you wearing Buckskin underwear at the time? laugh

Total for a LSU 4 year program>>> $138 000 + $500 a semester for books etc.

http://www.lsu.edu/departments/admissions/StepstoAdmission/International/TuitionFeesCosts/item17693.html


Tuition is lower for in state students. And again, there are loans, grants and financial aid, which both chazter and I have mentioned. Joining the military is not the only option for those who cannot afford to pay out of pocket and don't have rich parents.

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Tue 09/18/12 10:38 AM




It's certainly not only rich kids who are going to college.


SMS flowerforyou I said "high level" education... I'm sure you'll agree, the scholarship programs are the only way for real poor kids to attend quality Colleges/Universities.

I'm done here... Thx


Depends where you live. There are loans, grants, financial aid. Not all good schools are expensive. LSU was only like $2500 a semester when I went there. I transfer to a smaller college that was like $1600 a semester. I got a quality education. I know Louisiana has statewide scholarship programs that just about anyone can get very easily.


Were you wearing Buckskin underwear at the time? laugh

Total for a LSU 4 year program>>> $138 000 + $500 a semester for books etc.

http://www.lsu.edu/departments/admissions/StepstoAdmission/International/TuitionFeesCosts/item17693.html


Tuition is lower for in state students. And again, there are loans, grants and financial aid, which both chazter and I have mentioned. Joining the military is not the only option for those who cannot afford to pay out of pocket and don't have rich parents.



financial aid has restrictions that exclude many, amongst them are parents income and a fifty thousand dollar limit on funds for any undergraduate program

for those on course who can go straight through or who go to less expensive schools, that can work

but then, less expensive schools dont get the consideration in the employment world that 'better known' and more expensive schools do

someone that went to a community college may not seem as impressive as someone who went to a higher end college, because people assume we get what we pay for (false assumption) and they are more impressed with students attending schools with higher tuition

since the purpose for degrees in many instances is to be competitive, going the lowest end IS an option, but its not an option that holds up to the purpose of the education


unless one has the MENTAL capacity to go for some type of tech degree,,,,

no photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:41 AM





It's certainly not only rich kids who are going to college.


SMS flowerforyou I said "high level" education... I'm sure you'll agree, the scholarship programs are the only way for real poor kids to attend quality Colleges/Universities.

I'm done here... Thx


Depends where you live. There are loans, grants, financial aid. Not all good schools are expensive. LSU was only like $2500 a semester when I went there. I transfer to a smaller college that was like $1600 a semester. I got a quality education. I know Louisiana has statewide scholarship programs that just about anyone can get very easily.


Were you wearing Buckskin underwear at the time? laugh

Total for a LSU 4 year program>>> $138 000 + $500 a semester for books etc.

http://www.lsu.edu/departments/admissions/StepstoAdmission/International/TuitionFeesCosts/item17693.html


Tuition is lower for in state students. And again, there are loans, grants and financial aid, which both chazter and I have mentioned. Joining the military is not the only option for those who cannot afford to pay out of pocket and don't have rich parents.



financial aid has restrictions that exclude many, amongst them are parents income and a fifty thousand dollar limit on funds for any undergraduate program

for those on course who can go straight through or who go to less expensive schools, that can work

but then, less expensive schools dont get the consideration in the employment world that 'better known' and more expensive schools do

someone that went to a community college may not seem as impressive as someone who went to a higher end college, because people assume we get what we pay for (false assumption) and they are more impressed with students attending schools with higher tuition

since the purpose for degrees in many instances is to be competitive, going the lowest end IS an option, but its not an option that holds up to the purpose of the education


unless one has the MENTAL capacity to go for some type of tech degree,,,,


Someone can take core classes at a community college at a much lower cost, then transfer to a university and use financial aid. There are ways to do it if you actually try.

msharmony's photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:42 AM
back on topic though

military enrolls very young, and very inexperienced people


they dont have the life experience to necessarily be aware of the 'options' many here suggest

they are often not interested in taking on loans and grants they will have to take years to pay back and they are persuaded by the idea that they can get the same 'training and education' from the military and not owe anyone any money when its through

this is what persuaded my husband when he was 18 to join the navy, IM sure its a consideration for many who do wish to go to school but dont wish to have debts,,,,

Chazster's photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:54 AM
Well known schools don't matter that much. Who areally you kidding. Yea if you want to CEO some fortune 500 or partner at a law firm but mist jobs don't. I went to a small school most people never heard of. It was like $1600 a semester. I got hired at Lockheed Martin. A guy I went to school with went to GE. Another BP, Citgo, Etc.

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Tue 09/18/12 11:11 AM

Well known schools don't matter that much. Who areally you kidding. Yea if you want to CEO some fortune 500 or partner at a law firm but mist jobs don't. I went to a small school most people never heard of. It was like $1600 a semester. I got hired at Lockheed Martin. A guy I went to school with went to GE. Another BP, Citgo, Etc.



good for them

are the statistics on college gradation employment rates indicating they are the rule?

Chazster's photo
Tue 09/18/12 03:08 PM


Well known schools don't matter that much. Who areally you kidding. Yea if you want to CEO some fortune 500 or partner at a law firm but mist jobs don't. I went to a small school most people never heard of. It was like $1600 a semester. I got hired at Lockheed Martin. A guy I went to school with went to GE. Another BP, Citgo, Etc.



good for them

are the statistics on college gradation employment rates indicating they are the rule?


Is there anything indicating it isn't the rule?

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Tue 09/18/12 04:03 PM




We are and have been in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philipeans, Africa, the Middle East, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Herzogovina, Somalia, South Africa, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua, all covert operations to dominate world politics. WE ARE AN EMPIRE,HELLO!


So, if the US is an empire, of the countries listed, which has a Governer sent by Washington to oversee the collection of taxes and raw materials? Which of the countries listed have no military and are policed by US units? Which of the countries listed answer to the US consitution and judicial system? I can't seem to find a map of the Empire of the United States of America.
Empire of the USA MAP??? No wonder Americans are oblivious.


Congratulations. By misunderstanding my point you proved your own. drinker
Not really, I prefer direct dialogue over satires or semantics. If one does not know or understand that our nation is indeed an empire, you have no point. Our Emperor? Multinational corporations, media and the military industrial complex.


What you prefer doesn't alter my meaning. I know your nation is not an empire-that is just exaggerated nonsense. You do not seem to understand the definition of 'empire'.

Ras427's photo
Wed 09/19/12 04:03 AM





We are and have been in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philipeans, Africa, the Middle East, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Herzogovina, Somalia, South Africa, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua, all covert operations to dominate world politics. WE ARE AN EMPIRE,HELLO!


So, if the US is an empire, of the countries listed, which has a Governer sent by Washington to oversee the collection of taxes and raw materials? Which of the countries listed have no military and are policed by US units? Which of the countries listed answer to the US consitution and judicial system? I can't seem to find a map of the Empire of the United States of America.
Empire of the USA MAP??? No wonder Americans are oblivious.


Congratulations. By misunderstanding my point you proved your own. drinker
Not really, I prefer direct dialogue over satires or semantics. If one does not know or understand that our nation is indeed an empire, you have no point. Our Emperor? Multinational corporations, media and the military industrial complex.


What you prefer doesn't alter my meaning. I know your nation is not an empire-that is just exaggerated nonsense. You do not seem to understand the definition of 'empire'.

Ras427's photo
Wed 09/19/12 04:06 AM
Edited by Ras427 on Wed 09/19/12 04:08 AM





We are and have been in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philipeans, Africa, the Middle East, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Herzogovina, Somalia, South Africa, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua, all covert operations to dominate world politics. WE ARE AN EMPIRE,HELLO!


So, if the US is an empire, of the countries listed, which has a Governer sent by Washington to oversee the collection of taxes and raw materials? Which of the countries listed have no military and are policed by US units? Which of the countries listed answer to the US consitution and judicial system? I can't seem to find a map of the Empire of the United States of America.
Empire of the USA MAP??? No wonder Americans are oblivious.


Congratulations. By misunderstanding my point you proved your own. drinker
No t really, I prefer direct dialogue over satires or semantics. If one does not know or understand that our nation is indeed an empire, you have no point. Our Emperor? Multinational corporations, media and the military industrial complex.


What you prefer doesn't alter my meaning. I know your nation is not an empire-that is just exaggerated nonsense. You do not seem to understand the definition of 'empire'.
[/ quote] And you are oblivious to the reality of world politics and our quest to maintain world dominance, our military is not around the world spreading demacracy. Get a clue.

Ras427's photo
Wed 09/19/12 04:13 AM
Our covert operations under CIA, NSA the Pentegon, DEFENCE DEPT. (formaly dept. of war) and the military is worldwide, if you think they are spreading demacracy I got a bridge to sell. You obviousely have no clue as to what we do, turn the TV off, its doing you no good.

metalwing's photo
Wed 09/19/12 04:21 AM






We are and have been in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philipeans, Africa, the Middle East, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Herzogovina, Somalia, South Africa, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua, all covert operations to dominate world politics. WE ARE AN EMPIRE,HELLO!


So, if the US is an empire, of the countries listed, which has a Governer sent by Washington to oversee the collection of taxes and raw materials? Which of the countries listed have no military and are policed by US units? Which of the countries listed answer to the US consitution and judicial system? I can't seem to find a map of the Empire of the United States of America.
Empire of the USA MAP??? No wonder Americans are oblivious.


Congratulations. By misunderstanding my point you proved your own. drinker
No t really, I prefer direct dialogue over satires or semantics. If one does not know or understand that our nation is indeed an empire, you have no point. Our Emperor? Multinational corporations, media and the military industrial complex.


What you prefer doesn't alter my meaning. I know your nation is not an empire-that is just exaggerated nonsense. You do not seem to understand the definition of 'empire'.
[/ quote] And you are oblivious to the reality of world politics and our quest to maintain world dominance, our military is not around the world spreading demacracy. Get a clue.


Actually they have. You don't appear to deal in facts and seem to string random concepts together that you think make you sound intelligent. You consistently make statements about others being "clueless" while having little ability to express coherent thought on this and other topics.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Wed 09/19/12 04:43 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Wed 09/19/12 05:41 AM
I think the whole of the American people is missing the point!

Our "role" of gov't by the constitution is to maintain personal liberties and property rights, promote the general welfare of the citizenry and provide for the common defense (not war in nations for special interest groups!)....NOTHING more!

We are nation building, bullying! Support us and we pay you, deny us and our interests and we bomb you!

We are not spreading democracy, we are instilling hatred...creating chaos....to justify our actions!

The results of such policy is apparent today, which only goes to show that gov't should stick to the job they are tasked with because they are useless at leadership!

My apologies to the OP for going offtopic

Education is NOT a right, it is a goal. Since the gov't has gotten involved it has driven the cost so high that goal has become unobtainable to many without becoming enslaved to the debt system of the banker oligarchy! A system that kills jobs thru regulation and taxes, NOT creates them! It's a ponzi scheme...a pipe dream....NOT the American Dream! And the people are waking up to the FED and it's corruption of our gov't, too worried to sleep any longer!

Since it's power grab in 1913, the FED has destroyed 92% of the value of the dollar! It creates debt by devaluing our dollar! It's not "the cost of living" that increases, it's the inflation of the dollars the FED floods the market with! The poor don't see it!

The FED prints the money out of thin air, gives it to other banks at 0% or 1%, who then loan it to the people at 18%+ interest. They are loan sharks, NOTHING more! They are a private bank cartel, not a dept of gov't! Why would we give them the power to create our money? That's like giving Bin Laden the keys to the Pentagon and White House!

1 Trillion dollars of student debt....4 Trillion dollars for the wars of the last 10 years, and that's only the tip of the debt iceburg..... and people think this form of gov't is capable of leading us to prosperity? rofl

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/19/12 08:00 AM



Well known schools don't matter that much. Who areally you kidding. Yea if you want to CEO some fortune 500 or partner at a law firm but mist jobs don't. I went to a small school most people never heard of. It was like $1600 a semester. I got hired at Lockheed Martin. A guy I went to school with went to GE. Another BP, Citgo, Etc.



good for them

are the statistics on college gradation employment rates indicating they are the rule?


Is there anything indicating it isn't the rule?





About 1.5 million, or 53.6%, of bachelor's degree-holders under the age of 25 last year were jobless or underemployed, the highest share in at least 11 years. In 2000, the share was at a low of 41%, before the dot-com bust erased job gains for college graduates in the telecommunications and IT fields.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-22/college-grads-jobless/54473426/1





IN 2000 THE SHARE WAS AT A LOW (its usually higher) of 41%



The idea that college and college debt are the way to a career is false and simplistic

our colleges are money mills designed for profit, not to really prepare generations for competition and work anymore,,,,

a student has to have the knowledge (or have access to others with the knowledge) of the schools and degrees that have the highest employment opportunities AND They have to choose from careers that interest them on SOME LEVEL,,,

but our colleges just want to get them in and get their money and leave them on their own to struggle with actually finding employment,,,,

Ras427's photo
Wed 09/19/12 09:03 AM
Edited by Ras427 on Wed 09/19/12 09:12 AM







We are and have been in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philipeans, Africa, the Middle East, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Herzogovina, Somalia, South Africa, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua, all covert operations to dominate world politics. WE ARE AN EMPIRE,HELLO!


So, if the US is an empire, of the countries listed, which has a Governer sent by Washington to oversee the collection of taxes and raw materials? Which of the countries listed have no military and are policed by US units? Which of the countries listed answer to the US consitution and judicial system? I can't seem to find a map of the Empire of the United States of America.
Empire of the USA MAP??? No wonder Americans are oblivious.


Congratulations. By misunderstanding my point you proved your own. drinker
No t really, I prefer direct dialogue over satires or semantics. If one does not know or understand that our nation is indeed an empire, you have no point. Our Emperor? Multinational corporations, media and the military industrial complex.


What you prefer doesn't alter my meaning. I know your nation is not an empire-that is just exaggerated nonsense. You do not seem to understand the definition of 'empire'.
[/ quote] And you are oblivious to the reality of world politics and our quest to maintain world dominance, our military is not around the world spreading demacracy. Get a clue.


Actually they have. You don't appear to deal in facts and seem to string random concepts together that you think make you sound intelligent. You consistently make statements about others being "clueless" while having little ability to express coherent thought on this and other topics.
Wrong, you cant seem to grasp the simplist of common political concept in that we do not give billions in aide to third world countries for free. Demoracy can not be imported, what is so difficult to understand? The responce of Muslim nations is our very presence, militarily as well as our economic dominance of their regions. We dont import democracy by consistently meddling in the affairs of other nations. We have a historical consistantcy in overthrowing goverments around the world. My facts are historical, yours is the great denial and the inability to except what is in front of you. Did not we overthrow the goverment of Iran under then presedent Mohammad Mossadegh then intsilling the Shah, thats not instilling democracy. Do we not control the IMF? Is not the WB controlled by international (European) bankers headquartered on Wall st? These institutions control the econimies of all third world countries.and backed by the military industrial complex, the same one President Eisenhaur warned about. You are clueless indeed. We dont import demacracy. We import power to do as we wish, the result is what you see in the middle east, I blame the media and mass misseducation of the American people.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Wed 09/19/12 10:00 AM








We are and have been in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philipeans, Africa, the Middle East, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Herzogovina, Somalia, South Africa, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua, all covert operations to dominate world politics. WE ARE AN EMPIRE,HELLO!


So, if the US is an empire, of the countries listed, which has a Governer sent by Washington to oversee the collection of taxes and raw materials? Which of the countries listed have no military and are policed by US units? Which of the countries listed answer to the US consitution and judicial system? I can't seem to find a map of the Empire of the United States of America.


Empire of the USA MAP??? No wonder Americans are oblivious.


Congratulations. By misunderstanding my point you proved your own. drinker


No t really, I prefer direct dialogue over satires or semantics. If one does not know or understand that our nation is indeed an empire, you have no point. Our Emperor? Multinational corporations, media and the military industrial complex.


What you prefer doesn't alter my meaning. I know your nation is not an empire-that is just exaggerated nonsense. You do not seem to understand the definition of 'empire'.
[/ quote]

And you are oblivious to the reality of world politics and our quest to maintain world dominance, our military is not around the world spreading demacracy. Get a clue.


Actually they have. You don't appear to deal in facts and seem to string random concepts together that you think make you sound intelligent. You consistently make statements about others being "clueless" while having little ability to express coherent thought on this and other topics.


Wrong, you cant seem to grasp the simplist of common political concept in that we do not give billions in aide to third world countries for free. Demoracy can not be imported, what is so difficult to understand? The responce of Muslim nations is our very presence, militarily as well as our economic dominance of their regions. We dont import democracy by consistently meddling in the affairs of other nations. We have a historical consistantcy in overthrowing goverments around the world. My facts are historical, yours is the great denial and the inability to except what is in front of you. Did not we overthrow the goverment of Iran under then presedent Mohammad Mossadegh then intsilling the Shah, thats not instilling democracy. Do we not control the IMF? Is not the WB controlled by international (European) bankers headquartered on Wall st? These institutions control the econimies of all third world countries.and backed by the military industrial complex, the same one President Eisenhaur warned about. You are clueless indeed. We dont import demacracy. We import power to do as we wish, the result is what you see in the middle east, I blame the media and mass misseducation of the American people.


Trying to fix this to make it easier to read....here goes nothing...

Ras427's photo
Wed 09/19/12 10:33 AM







We are and have been in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philipeans, Africa, the Middle East, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Herzogovina, Somalia, South Africa, Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua, all covert operations to dominate world politics. WE ARE AN EMPIRE,HELLO!


So, if the US is an empire, of the countries listed, which has a Governer sent by Washington to oversee the collection of taxes and raw materials? Which of the countries listed have no military and are policed by US units? Which of the countries listed answer to the US consitution and judicial system? I can't seem to find a map of the Empire of the United States of America.
Empire of the USA MAP??? No wonder Americans are oblivious.


Congratulations. By misunderstanding my point you proved your own. drinker
No t really, I prefer direct dialogue over satires or semantics. If one does not know or understand that our nation is indeed an empire, you have no point. Our Emperor? Multinational corporations, media and the military industrial complex.


What you prefer doesn't alter my meaning. I know your nation is not an empire-that is just exaggerated nonsense. You do not seem to understand the definition of 'empire'.
[/ quote] And you are oblivious to the reality of world politics and our quest to maintain world dominance, our military is not around the world spreading demacracy. Get a clue.


Actually they have. You don't appear to deal in facts and seem to string random concepts together that you think make you sound intelligent. You consistently make statements about others being "clueless" while having little ability to express coherent thought on this and other topics.
[/ q uote] Lack of understanding is the first indication of lack of understanding. So ill be brief, DEMOCRACY CAN NOT BE IMPORTED. Here is the socalled democracy you are either oblivious about, or select to ignore. In 1963, an attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro was unsuccessful. In the Dominican Republic, the US organized a military coup to overthrow the goverment of Juan Bosch, which was successful. In 1963 in South Vietnam, the U.S. precipitated conditions leading to the assassination of Ngp Dingh Diem. In Ecuador, they overthrew the goverment of Carlos Julio Arosemena. In Iraq, they provided financial and military assistence to Mustapha Barzani to establish independent Kurdistan. In Chile, they provided 20 million dollars to Eduardo Frei Montalvo to defeat Salvador Allende in the elections, they were successful. In Uruguay, Peru, and Brazil they trained the police and intelligence personel in assassination and interogation techniques to help defeat opposition. In the Congo in 1964, they provided financial and military assistance to defeat forces loyal to Patrice Lumumba and theu assassinated him. The people elected him Patrice Lumumba, so his assassination males it evident that U.S. Policies directed against a leader does not have anything to do with DEMOCRACY. In S. Vietnam in 1964, the U.S.attempted to elimiminate the Vietcong infrastructure through more than 20,000 assassinations in an operation called the PHOENIX PROGRAM, and it was partially successful. In N. Vietnam, the U.S.implemented a sabatage and ambush mission by U.S. Special forces personel amd Nam tribesmen . In Laos in 1965, the U.S. implimented sabotage and ambush missions called OPERATION SHINING BRASS, which was later renamed Prairie Fire. Indoneasia 1965, goverment of President Sukarno, who had organized the BANDUNG CONFERANCE that rejected all U.S. attempts at building military instalations in their country. This campaign precipitated conditions that led to the massacres of more then half a million people initiated in covert instigation missions by the CIA. IF THIS IS THE DEMOCRACY YOU REFER TO, THEN CLUELESS IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

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Wed 09/19/12 10:46 AM
The recent approval of $1.5 billion to Egypt is a mere continuance of providing funds to maintain access to the crucial and strategic Suez Canal. Simple.

Ras427's photo
Wed 09/19/12 11:00 AM
Edited by Ras427 on Wed 09/19/12 11:05 AM
On September 11, 1971, in Chile, they (CIA) organized a campaign of assassinations, propaganda strikes and demonstrations to overthrow the goverment of Salvador Allende, leading to his assassination. In Angola, they (CIA) provided military assistance to forces trying to defeat the popular movement for the liberation of Angola during the Angolan civil war, in which the U.S. backed the opponants of Portugal so to maintain access to the huge deposits of diamonds, ore, uranoum, oil, and other raw materials, in which the civil war threatened if the liberation forces were to win. MORE U.S. DEMOCRACY.