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Topic: 9/11 truth documentary among 'most watched' on PBS
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Wed 09/12/12 10:47 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Wed 09/12/12 11:26 PM

You keep putting this up as evidence that the 9/11 commission disowns its own report, but this does not state that at all. It merely highlights a discrepancy. How about you spend your money on the book and read it fully, then get back to us? This repetition of the dustjacket blurb is hardly evidence of what you claim.



I am so sorry a direct quote is hard for you to understand. If any of these words are difficult I recommend wiki.

Ok here it is again.


“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

John Farmer
who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.


Where does he say that he/they reject the findings of the commission? A discrepancy in the NORAD tapes doesn't nullify the whole investigation. The promo you keep citing doesn't say that, no matter how one squints one's eyes or one narrow's one's mind. Think before you post (why do you find that so difficult?). See those parts where there are '...'? That means something has been edited (often to entice dumbshits to buy it). Read the book and get back to us. slaphead

Again why am I the conspiracy theorist?


The education system failed you?

no photo
Wed 09/12/12 11:23 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 09/12/12 11:27 PM
I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.

So then, they changed their story and two very important officials who had told one story, were now made into liars because their testimonies were proven wrong by the Norad tapes. Naturally I have to wonder why those officials lied, (if they did) then why were they not prosecuted or questioned more and why did we not here the explanation from them about why they lied.

So, either they both lied, or the Norad tapes are fake.

Either way, the general public barely twitched, when the official story changed, and totally accepted each story and did not even blink when the official story was changed.

They (the dumbed down public) basically don't care.

They place their trust and fate in their lying cheating stealing government and they don't want to get involved or think about the whole mess.

Except for some people who are then relentlessly attacked by die hard government trusting sheeple for asking questions, positing theories, for wanting the truth, as if wanting the truth is a crime.

And the people who believe the government, think that they have the truth. They thought it when the heard the first story, and they thought it when they heard the second story... if they were even paying attention.

Their attitude is.... let it go. Forget about it.

Well, we do not forget. And we do not forgive.

And we will have the truth because we can recognize a lie when we hear one.



no photo
Wed 09/12/12 11:29 PM
How do you know the liars? How do you know who the evil men are?

As it says in the Bible.

"by their deeds you will know them."

no photo
Wed 09/12/12 11:29 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 09/12/12 11:29 PM

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Wed 09/12/12 11:35 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 09/13/12 12:03 AM

I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


So, without speculation, what does that actually prove? Do you really expect the USAF to shoot down a plane full of civilians? Seriously? Have you actually read the transcriptions-30 hours of tape over a 6 and a half hour period? Or are you just parroting someone's opinion from dipshit.com?

So then, they changed their story and two very important officials who had told one story, were now made into liars because their testimonies were proven wrong by the Norad tapes. Naturally I have to wonder why those officials lied, (if they did) then why were they not prosecuted or questioned more and why did we not here the explanation from them about why they lied.


And what results has your speculation determined?

So, either they both lied, or the Norad tapes are fake.

Either way, the general public barely twitched, when the official story changed, and totally accepted each story and did not even blink when the official story was changed.


Perhaps they don't see bogeymen everywhere?

They (the dumbed down public) basically don't care.


Arrogant much?

They place their trust and fate in their lying cheating stealing government and they don't want to get involved or think about the whole mess.


Hysterical much?

Except for some people who are then relentlessly attacked by die hard government trusting sheeple for asking questions, positing theories, for wanting the truth, as if wanting the truth is a crime.


Oh please, this is hilarious! The martyr position. It's the fecking internet, not the Roman Coliseum.

And the people who believe the government, think that they have the truth. They thought it when the heard the first story, and they thought it when they heard the second story... if they were even paying attention.


So, you assume, but then some idiot comes along and tries to tell people it was energy beams, missiles or that there were no planes at all, offering all manner of specious and wild theories without proof, and this idiot wonders why sane people don't believe him?

Their attitude is.... let it go. Forget about it.


Don't hear that much.

Well, we do not forget. And we do not forgive.


No, we don't and we don't make up stories and insult people's intelligence with wild conspiracy theories lacking evidence, and play the martyr when no-one buys into the BS.

And we will have the truth because we can recognize a lie when we hear one.


Well, eleven years on and twoofers haven't been able to prove anything.




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Thu 09/13/12 12:13 AM

I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


The Norad tapes!!

laugh

All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding
out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all
morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could
not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of
flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could
scramble jets to their locations.

It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was
misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident
but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in
any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned
and carried out the attacks.

Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out
about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them.
In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now
what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible.

Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608


HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 09/13/12 12:20 AM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 09/13/12 12:20 AM


I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


The Norad tapes!!

laugh

All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding
out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all
morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could
not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of
flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could
scramble jets to their locations.

It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was
misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident
but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in
any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned
and carried out the attacks.

Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out
about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them.
In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now
what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible.

Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608




What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some. :wink:

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Thu 09/13/12 01:27 AM



I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


The Norad tapes!!

laugh

All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding
out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all
morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could
not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of
flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could
scramble jets to their locations.

It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was
misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident
but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in
any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned
and carried out the attacks.

Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out
about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them.
In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now
what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible.

Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608




What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some. :wink:
need to find them first with their Transponders off!
They weren't the only Planes aloft that morning!
I know,someone will tell me again,B-but there is Radar!laugh

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 09/13/12 03:09 AM




I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


The Norad tapes!!

laugh

All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding
out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all
morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could
not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of
flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could
scramble jets to their locations.

It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was
misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident
but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in
any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned
and carried out the attacks.

Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out
about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them.
In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now
what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible.

Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608




What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some. :wink:
need to find them first with their Transponders off!
They weren't the only Planes aloft that morning!
I know,someone will tell me again,B-but there is Radar!laugh


Yes, the radar. Have a look at this twoofer's ridiculous attempt to show how the radar signatures prove Flight 175 was a hologram.

This is hilarious!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=236532

The pilots and radar experts murder his asinine contention and he comes back for more. I love it!

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 09/13/12 04:22 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 09/13/12 04:29 AM





I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


The Norad tapes!!

laugh

All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding
out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all
morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could
not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of
flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could
scramble jets to their locations.

It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was
misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident
but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in
any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned
and carried out the attacks.

Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out
about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them.
In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now
what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible.

Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608




What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some. :wink:
need to find them first with their Transponders off!
They weren't the only Planes aloft that morning!
I know,someone will tell me again,B-but there is Radar!laugh


Yes, the radar. Have a look at this twoofer's ridiculous attempt to show how the radar signatures prove Flight 175 was a hologram.

This is hilarious!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=236532

The pilots and radar experts murder his asinine contention and he comes back for more. I love it!
Love this one.

I see that the No-Planers still travel Air Elastic-Band with their fleet of innovative rubber Boeings.rofl

Insanity really running rampant!

Chazster's photo
Thu 09/13/12 05:42 AM


It's not whoring to feed the fishes. No point in not written it if you know it's gonna sell. If it was truly about the truth he wouldn't be writing a book.



If it was truly about the truth he wouldn't be writing a book?

??????????

So you think all books are fiction?


No I think all books are about money.

no photo
Thu 09/13/12 09:55 AM



I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


The Norad tapes!!

laugh

All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding
out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all
morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could
not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of
flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could
scramble jets to their locations.

It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was
misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident
but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in
any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned
and carried out the attacks.

Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out
about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them.
In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now
what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible.

Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608




What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some. :wink:



Oh of course not, we want them to allow the planes to hit their targets and kill thousands of people.

duh~ yeh, that's what we want.... slaphead

no photo
Thu 09/13/12 09:57 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 09/13/12 10:02 AM



It's not whoring to feed the fishes. No point in not written it if you know it's gonna sell. If it was truly about the truth he wouldn't be writing a book.



If it was truly about the truth he wouldn't be writing a book?

??????????

So you think all books are fiction?


No I think all books are about money.


Really?
I can think of a million better ways to make money.
Writing isn't one of them.

Very few people are literate enough to write a book.
Its hard work too. You have to be literate and you have to use your brain.

And so then where did you get your education?
From Wikipedia and the Internet?

laugh laugh laugh

Books, if they are PRINTED cost money.

DUH!

If you seriously think that all books are created "to make money" then its no wonder you don't bother to read. You can't stand to see anyone make any money.




mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/13/12 10:03 AM
Edited by mightymoe on Thu 09/13/12 10:04 AM




It's not whoring to feed the fishes. No point in not written it if you know it's gonna sell. If it was truly about the truth he wouldn't be writing a book.



If it was truly about the truth he wouldn't be writing a book?

??????????

So you think all books are fiction?


No I think all books are about money.


Really?
I can think of a million better ways to make money.
Writing isn't one of them.

Very few people are literate enough to write a book.
Its hard work too.

And so then where did you get your education?
From Wikipedia and the Internet?

laugh laugh laugh

Books, if they are PRINTED cost money.

DUH!



you keep saying this, but there have been lots of people getting rich off of writing books... if it costs five dollars to print a book, and it sells for 25 dollars, and a million people buy it, that is 20 million dollars profit... i thought you could do math, but in a way, it is part of the sciences, which we know you know nothing about....

no photo
Thu 09/13/12 10:06 AM





I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


The Norad tapes!!

laugh

All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding
out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all
morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could
not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of
flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could
scramble jets to their locations.

It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was
misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident
but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in
any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned
and carried out the attacks.

Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out
about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them.
In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now
what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible.

Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608




What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some. :wink:
need to find them first with their Transponders off!
They weren't the only Planes aloft that morning!
I know,someone will tell me again,B-but there is Radar!laugh


Yes, the radar. Have a look at this twoofer's ridiculous attempt to show how the radar signatures prove Flight 175 was a hologram.

This is hilarious!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=236532

The pilots and radar experts murder his asinine contention and he comes back for more. I love it!



At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government.

You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government.

The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet.




s1owhand's photo
Thu 09/13/12 10:39 AM






I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


The Norad tapes!!

laugh

All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding
out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all
morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could
not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of
flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could
scramble jets to their locations.

It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was
misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident
but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in
any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned
and carried out the attacks.

Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out
about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them.
In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now
what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible.

Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608




What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some. :wink:
need to find them first with their Transponders off!
They weren't the only Planes aloft that morning!
I know,someone will tell me again,B-but there is Radar!laugh


Yes, the radar. Have a look at this twoofer's ridiculous attempt to show how the radar signatures prove Flight 175 was a hologram.

This is hilarious!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=236532

The pilots and radar experts murder his asinine contention and he comes back for more. I love it!



At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government.

You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government.

The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet.


EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS THE ANSWERS YEARS AGO

laugh

just a few who refuse to see the 3 foot writing on the wall
but all the science and engineering and investigations
successfully concluded years ago.

Conclusion: Terrorist Attack - al-Qaeda did it.

laugh

metalwing's photo
Thu 09/13/12 11:32 AM







I have brought up the Norad tapes many times and my point was that for two years they (the government) sold one story to the media, and everyone accepted it on blind faith, then they found out it was wrong after the Norad tapes were listened to.


The Norad tapes!!

laugh

All there is on the Norad tapes is a bunch of military guys finding
out too late to do anything that there have been hijackings all
morning. All the info shows that the planes had beacons off and could
not be easily tracked and flew into the buildings or (in the case of
flight 93) were taken down by the passengers before NORAD could
scramble jets to their locations.

It is a fascinating story and it does look like some of it was
misrepresented possibly as face saving or possibly by accident
but there is absolutely nothing on those tapes which conflicts in
any way with all the existing other evidence that al-Qaeda planned
and carried out the attacks.

Does not matter at all what Norad was doing as they found out
about each of the hijackings too late to do anything about them.
In the end all the evidence is crystal clear. Everyone knows now
what happened, how it happened and that al-Qaeda was responsible.

Here is an interesting report on the Norad tapes though:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608




What do some people want from this? Did they expect the Air Force to shoot down planeloads of civilians? I mean, REALLY? I've read that article before, it may be a little lengthy for some. :wink:
need to find them first with their Transponders off!
They weren't the only Planes aloft that morning!
I know,someone will tell me again,B-but there is Radar!laugh


Yes, the radar. Have a look at this twoofer's ridiculous attempt to show how the radar signatures prove Flight 175 was a hologram.

This is hilarious!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=236532

The pilots and radar experts murder his asinine contention and he comes back for more. I love it!



At least people are looking for answers that they are not getting from the government.

You can make fun of all of them if you want to waste you time with that, but you don't have the answers to the hard questions and neither does the government.

The point is that there is a massive cover-up of something and people like you keep getting in the way of the truth. If you don't have the answers, then you should step aside and keep quiet.


EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS THE ANSWERS YEARS AGO

laugh

just a few who refuse to see the 3 foot writing on the wall
but all the science and engineering and investigations
successfully concluded years ago.

Conclusion: Terrorist Attack - al-Qaeda did it.

laugh


Yur gittin' in da way! Ya shud let tha investagator talk only!!!:wink:

no photo
Thu 09/13/12 11:36 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 09/13/12 11:38 AM





It's not whoring to feed the fishes. No point in not written it if you know it's gonna sell. If it was truly about the truth he wouldn't be writing a book.



If it was truly about the truth he wouldn't be writing a book?

??????????

So you think all books are fiction?


No I think all books are about money.


Really?
I can think of a million better ways to make money.
Writing isn't one of them.

Very few people are literate enough to write a book.
Its hard work too.

And so then where did you get your education?
From Wikipedia and the Internet?

laugh laugh laugh

Books, if they are PRINTED cost money.

DUH!



you keep saying this, but there have been lots of people getting rich off of writing books... if it costs five dollars to print a book, and it sells for 25 dollars, and a million people buy it, that is 20 million dollars profit... i thought you could do math, but in a way, it is part of the sciences, which we know you know nothing about....


The Book publisher makes most of the money. Not the writer.

Unless of course the writer is rich already and can afford to self publish, (which can be expensive up front) they only make a small percentage of sales.


Self publishers also usually don't know how to distribute.

With the Internet, it is getting easier for self publishers to make money.



no photo
Thu 09/13/12 11:42 AM
if it costs five dollars to print a book, and it sells for 25 dollars, and a million people buy it, that is 20 million dollars profit... i thought you could do math, but in a way, it is part of the sciences, which we know you know nothing about....



If it cost ten dollars to print my tarot deck and it sells for 78 dollars, and a million people by it, that is $68000000.00.

Wow by your logic I should be RICH!

laugh laugh laugh laugh

(You do have to get sales you know.) That's what publishers are paid to do and they pay themselves well.


no photo
Thu 09/13/12 11:44 AM
So Mightymoe, if you have it all figured out how to make 20 million dollars by writing a book, then why haven't you done it?

rofl rofl rofl rofl


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