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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. thats never stopped us from discussing any other persons motivations,,,,, but you are right, we dont KNOW, we only have opinions In another thread, I warned that the use of an image pertaining to the old Confederacy could be mistaken for an expression of racism. So, the image in this thread's OP could be mistaken for the same thing, because the mask being worn does not resemble President Obama. Who would mistake that for racism? and why would they? |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. thats never stopped us from discussing any other persons motivations,,,,, but you are right, we dont KNOW, we only have opinions In another thread, I warned that the use of an image pertaining to the old Confederacy could be mistaken for an expression of racism. So, the image in this thread's OP could be mistaken for the same thing, because the mask being worn does not resemble President Obama. Who would mistake that for racism? and why would they? the south slavery of blacks war for secession over potential freeing of slaves,, to name a few the south is often associated with racism, and their historical flag with historical racist slavery in the states |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. thats never stopped us from discussing any other persons motivations,,,,, but you are right, we dont KNOW, we only have opinions In another thread, I warned that the use of an image pertaining to the old Confederacy could be mistaken for an expression of racism. So, the image in this thread's OP could be mistaken for the same thing, because the mask being worn does not resemble President Obama. Who would mistake that for racism? and why would they? the south slavery of blacks war for secession over potential freeing of slaves,, to name a few the south is often associated with racism, and their historical flag with historical racist slavery in the states The war, the Civil war, I think you speak of, was not a war about race. It was a war about cotton and profit. Slavery was a lesser issue. |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. thats never stopped us from discussing any other persons motivations,,,,, but you are right, we dont KNOW, we only have opinions In another thread, I warned that the use of an image pertaining to the old Confederacy could be mistaken for an expression of racism. So, the image in this thread's OP could be mistaken for the same thing, because the mask being worn does not resemble President Obama. Who would mistake that for racism? and why would they? the south slavery of blacks war for secession over potential freeing of slaves,, to name a few the south is often associated with racism, and their historical flag with historical racist slavery in the states Uh, the photo in the OP was taken in upstate New York. |
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Like was said. Satyr. PS Did the mask say he was from Africa? If not, Afri-Ameri is an assumption. if he is in AMERICA, with skin that dark, he is gonna be african american,,,trust that He could be from Cuba, from Jamaica or Australia. Africa isn't the holy land of blackness. And if someone with black skin is born in America, they are an American, not African! did you know AFRICANS also went to cuba, jamaica, and australia? no, africa isnt the exclusive land of blackness, because AFRICANS migrated to other places,,,, but the ORIGINS are still there as far as RACE is definied in america |
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Like was said. Satyr. PS Did the mask say he was from Africa? If not, Afri-Ameri is an assumption. if he is in AMERICA, with skin that dark, he is gonna be african american,,,trust that He could be from Cuba, from Jamaica or Australia. Africa isn't the holy land of blackness. And if someone with black skin is born in America, they are an American, not African! did you know AFRICANS also went to cuba, jamaica, and australia? no, africa isnt the exclusive land of blackness, because AFRICANS migrated to other places,,,,They didnt migrate they were inslaved to other places then America. but the ORIGINS are still there as far as RACE is definied in america |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, The question is this: What does the photo in the OP depict? If it is an attempt to depict President Obama riding on a manure spreader, then the image is a comment about politics that may have nothing to do with race. An assumption of a racial element could easily be a false assumption. |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. thats never stopped us from discussing any other persons motivations,,,,, but you are right, we dont KNOW, we only have opinions In another thread, I warned that the use of an image pertaining to the old Confederacy could be mistaken for an expression of racism. So, the image in this thread's OP could be mistaken for the same thing, because the mask being worn does not resemble President Obama. Who would mistake that for racism? and why would they? the south slavery of blacks war for secession over potential freeing of slaves,, to name a few the south is often associated with racism, and their historical flag with historical racist slavery in the states The war, the Civil war, I think you speak of, was not a war about race. It was a war about cotton and profit. Slavery was a lesser issue. slavery was how they MAINTAINED their profit, the issues are not seperable anymore than the deficit is seperable from SPENDING |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. thats never stopped us from discussing any other persons motivations,,,,, but you are right, we dont KNOW, we only have opinions In another thread, I warned that the use of an image pertaining to the old Confederacy could be mistaken for an expression of racism. So, the image in this thread's OP could be mistaken for the same thing, because the mask being worn does not resemble President Obama. Who would mistake that for racism? and why would they? the south slavery of blacks war for secession over potential freeing of slaves,, to name a few the south is often associated with racism, and their historical flag with historical racist slavery in the states Uh, the photo in the OP was taken in upstate New York. Im referring to why the confederate flag may be seen as racist,,, |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, The question is this: What does the photo in the OP depict? If it is an attempt to depict President Obama riding on a manure spreader, then the image is a comment about politics that may have nothing to do with race. An assumption of a racial element could easily be a false assumption. it could be false or it could be accurate ,,fifty fifty chance, |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, The question is this: What does the photo in the OP depict? If it is an attempt to depict President Obama riding on a manure spreader, then the image is a comment about politics that may have nothing to do with race. An assumption of a racial element could easily be a false assumption. Exactly, many today think that slaves were beaten every day for fun. Wrong, slaves were considered a commodity, a means to produce a profit from cotton. If there had been no cotton, there would have been no slaves in America, period. Many poor whites shared the same fate during that time. Both blacks and white suffered After the war. |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, The question is this: What does the photo in the OP depict? If it is an attempt to depict President Obama riding on a manure spreader, then the image is a comment about politics that may have nothing to do with race. An assumption of a racial element could easily be a false assumption. Exactly, many today think that slaves were beaten every day for fun. Wrong, slaves were considered a commodity, a means to produce a profit from cotton. If there had been no cotton, there would have been no slaves in America, period. Many poor whites shared the same fate during that time. Both blacks and white suffered After the war. slaves were considered NOT HUMAN, thats all that needs to be said regardless of how often they were beaten, regardless of the insane justification , slavery and later jim crow classed them as BENEATH A human being, not deserving of the same opportunity and respect of any other 'american' everyone suffers at some point, but that doesnt mean the suffering needs to be blurred together or cant be logically discussed in context of the people or the time in question,,, |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, The question is this: What does the photo in the OP depict? If it is an attempt to depict President Obama riding on a manure spreader, then the image is a comment about politics that may have nothing to do with race. An assumption of a racial element could easily be a false assumption. Exactly, many today think that slaves were beaten every day for fun. Wrong, slaves were considered a commodity, a means to produce a profit from cotton. If there had been no cotton, there would have been no slaves in America, period. Many poor whites shared the same fate during that time. Both blacks and white suffered After the war. slaves were considered NOT HUMAN, thats all that needs to be said regardless of how often they were beaten, regardless of the insane justification , slavery and later jim crow classed them as BENEATH A human being, not deserving of the same opportunity and respect of any other 'american' everyone suffers at some point, but that doesnt mean the suffering needs to be blurred together or cant be logically discussed in context of the people or the time in question,,, Wrong, do a little research. WPA narratives have many good stories of how well blacks were treated during those times. They were treated as human beings. |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, The question is this: What does the photo in the OP depict? If it is an attempt to depict President Obama riding on a manure spreader, then the image is a comment about politics that may have nothing to do with race. An assumption of a racial element could easily be a false assumption. Exactly, many today think that slaves were beaten every day for fun. Wrong, slaves were considered a commodity, a means to produce a profit from cotton. If there had been no cotton, there would have been no slaves in America, period. Many poor whites shared the same fate during that time. Both blacks and white suffered After the war. slaves were considered NOT HUMAN, thats all that needs to be said regardless of how often they were beaten, regardless of the insane justification , slavery and later jim crow classed them as BENEATH A human being, not deserving of the same opportunity and respect of any other 'american' everyone suffers at some point, but that doesnt mean the suffering needs to be blurred together or cant be logically discussed in context of the people or the time in question,,, Wrong, do a little research. WPA narratives have many good stories of how well blacks were treated during those times. They were treated as human beings. by northerners,, in the south, they had no rights a white peron had to respect, NONE,,,, it doesnt matter what the individual interactions were, of course some people will be decent regardless of power and laws but what the LAWS Dictated, allowed for them to receive the worst of treatment and the least of lawful respect BY LAW |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, The question is this: What does the photo in the OP depict? If it is an attempt to depict President Obama riding on a manure spreader, then the image is a comment about politics that may have nothing to do with race. An assumption of a racial element could easily be a false assumption. Exactly, many today think that slaves were beaten every day for fun. Wrong, slaves were considered a commodity, a means to produce a profit from cotton. If there had been no cotton, there would have been no slaves in America, period. Many poor whites shared the same fate during that time. Both blacks and white suffered After the war. slaves were considered NOT HUMAN, thats all that needs to be said regardless of how often they were beaten, regardless of the insane justification , slavery and later jim crow classed them as BENEATH A human being, not deserving of the same opportunity and respect of any other 'american' everyone suffers at some point, but that doesnt mean the suffering needs to be blurred together or cant be logically discussed in context of the people or the time in question,,, Wrong, do a little research. WPA narratives have many good stories of how well blacks were treated during those times. They were treated as human beings. by northerners,, in the south, they had no rights a white peron had to respect, NONE,,,, it doesnt matter what the individual interactions were, of course some people will be decent regardless of power and laws but what the LAWS Dictated, allowed for them to receive the worst of treatment and the least of lawful respect BY LAW wrong again. |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, The question is this: What does the photo in the OP depict? If it is an attempt to depict President Obama riding on a manure spreader, then the image is a comment about politics that may have nothing to do with race. An assumption of a racial element could easily be a false assumption. Exactly, many today think that slaves were beaten every day for fun. Wrong, slaves were considered a commodity, a means to produce a profit from cotton. If there had been no cotton, there would have been no slaves in America, period. Many poor whites shared the same fate during that time. Both blacks and white suffered After the war. slaves were considered NOT HUMAN, thats all that needs to be said regardless of how often they were beaten, regardless of the insane justification , slavery and later jim crow classed them as BENEATH A human being, not deserving of the same opportunity and respect of any other 'american' everyone suffers at some point, but that doesnt mean the suffering needs to be blurred together or cant be logically discussed in context of the people or the time in question,,, Wrong, do a little research. WPA narratives have many good stories of how well blacks were treated during those times. They were treated as human beings. by northerners,, in the south, they had no rights a white peron had to respect, NONE,,,, it doesnt matter what the individual interactions were, of course some people will be decent regardless of power and laws but what the LAWS Dictated, allowed for them to receive the worst of treatment and the least of lawful respect BY LAW wrong again. where is the proof that I am wrong? have you read the slave diaries? have you seen the articles from those times? are you suggesting blacks were treated 'well' as a rule in those times? thats wrong,,, |
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political satire does not EXCLUDE racism
so I dont get your point,,, OK. Let me clarify. Other than the fact that the mask in the photo doesn't appear to resemble President Obama, what evidence do you have that the person wearing the mask is engaged in racism? It appears to me that you are judging the wearer of the mask according to his skin color. If that is what you are doing, then why shouldn't someone accuse you of racism? here is my first post how original, a white man in black face and Im sure there is no racist element there its pretty straight forward,, not much to explain there,,,'someone' can accuse me of whatever they want white men in black face are a historical reality, so it is no longer an 'original' idea,,,, it is , in my opinion, a fairly racist choice when depicting black people,,,, The question is this: What does the photo in the OP depict? If it is an attempt to depict President Obama riding on a manure spreader, then the image is a comment about politics that may have nothing to do with race. An assumption of a racial element could easily be a false assumption. Exactly, many today think that slaves were beaten every day for fun. Wrong, slaves were considered a commodity, a means to produce a profit from cotton. If there had been no cotton, there would have been no slaves in America, period. Many poor whites shared the same fate during that time. Both blacks and white suffered After the war. slaves were considered NOT HUMAN, thats all that needs to be said regardless of how often they were beaten, regardless of the insane justification , slavery and later jim crow classed them as BENEATH A human being, not deserving of the same opportunity and respect of any other 'american' everyone suffers at some point, but that doesnt mean the suffering needs to be blurred together or cant be logically discussed in context of the people or the time in question,,, Wrong, do a little research. WPA narratives have many good stories of how well blacks were treated during those times. They were treated as human beings. by northerners,, in the south, they had no rights a white peron had to respect, NONE,,,, it doesnt matter what the individual interactions were, of course some people will be decent regardless of power and laws but what the LAWS Dictated, allowed for them to receive the worst of treatment and the least of lawful respect BY LAW wrong again. where is the proof that I am wrong? have you read the slave diaries? have you seen the articles from those times? are you suggesting blacks were treated 'well' as a rule in those times? thats wrong,,, I am a 20 year plus genealogist. I have read many slave diaries and WPA stories of the south. Blacks lived along side whites. People were people struggling to survive back then. They depended on each other. they helped each other. No one was treated well, my family included. It was what happened then. |
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It's called political satire. is that the new slang for blackface? interesting,,,,and the black isnt even a shade that matches the president,,, GOOD GOD, please... You want to see a racist message done by a black musician for the black community? YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSTANTLY VIEW ANYTHING A WHITE MAN DOES LIKE THIS AS BEING RACIST? Little wonder since what I am presenting was DECLINED by BET (BUHLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION) because the message runs contrary to what BET sells on their network... http://youtu.be/GlKL_EpnSp8 SO how many times have you heard the N word here? I gave up counting after twenty! White people have said what is presented in this video but we get called RACIST! BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THE SAME DAMN THING! AND THEY GET CALLED OTHER THINGS BESIDES RACIST! Seriously. There is more to this than color lines. A white man has just as much right to protest and if that bothers you well, sorry but when the shoe is on the other foot and all... You want black face? Well here you go! 
ANOTHER FACT CHECK! This was common and socially acceptable up to the 1930s! It didn't go out of style until after the 1940's. It didn't become a racist issue until the 1970s. Even then Black face was not a way of Disparaging black men because in a white dominated society of the time it was the only way blacks could get any recognition as people through white actors. MANY plays performed by actors in Black Face were actually decrying the plight of the black man through theater. Do I need to come up with a list of notable plays of the era against slavery using black faced actors? EVEN SOME FAMOUS BLACK ACTORS HAD TO WEAR BLACK FACE PAINT ON STAGE! So would I be a racist if I wore a tee shirt that said "Vote for me, YOU CAN TRUST ME!" wearing an Obama mask, and carrying a toy gun and a burgler mask like a bank robber I would be a racist? Really, you are going to degrade years of progress towards equality like this? the lady thinks thou dost protest too much the whole post is irrelevant to any point I made or was trying to make,,,,draw your own conclusions to the strawman questions posed,,, You should go review the definition of "straw man". Your whole argument is the conversion of political satire to your strawman argument about race. The actual definition of what this thread is about is as defined by the OP, not you. good point so the op states 'obama spreading the wealth' yet in the photo is no picture of OBAMA or money so the SATIRE missed with me and I posted my opinion as to why and what I thought of its additional intent (Besides simple satire) there wasnt a strawman but a logical flow and questioning of why the title really didnt fit what was shown,,,, all this other stuff about the n word and whatever youtube video adds nothing to those points,, to refute or confirm them so I consider them 'strawman' Definition of STRAW MAN 1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted How ironic. You use a straw man argument to defend a straw man argument. Try to focus on what you wrote in response to my post of "political satire" which I still stand behind 100%. A more accurate definition of "straw man" is as follows: The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument: 1. Person A has position X. 2. Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: 1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position. 2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2] 3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1] 4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical. 5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version. 3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position. I said "political satire". You responded with "... a form of blackface". Everything you argued from that point forward was disingenuous as you had created the classic straw man and actually changed the subject at the same time. Your argument was "straw man" in every regard. political satire does not EXCLUDE racism so I dont get your point,,, You can't because you and others turned this into a racial issue! Not a Political one! Light no matches in the House of Straw! |
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