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It's called political satire. is that the new slang for blackface? interesting,,,,and the black isnt even a shade that matches the president,,, GOOD GOD, please... You want to see a racist message done by a black musician for the black community? YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSTANTLY VIEW ANYTHING A WHITE MAN DOES LIKE THIS AS BEING RACIST? Little wonder since what I am presenting was DECLINED by BET (BUHLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION) because the message runs contrary to what BET sells on their network... http://youtu.be/GlKL_EpnSp8 SO how many times have you heard the N word here? I gave up counting after twenty! White people have said what is presented in this video but we get called RACIST! BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THE SAME DAMN THING! AND THEY GET CALLED OTHER THINGS BESIDES RACIST! Seriously. There is more to this than color lines. A white man has just as much right to protest and if that bothers you well, sorry but when the shoe is on the other foot and all... You want black face? Well here you go! 
ANOTHER FACT CHECK! This was common and socially acceptable up to the 1930s! It didn't go out of style until after the 1940's. It didn't become a racist issue until the 1970s. Even then Black face was not a way of Disparaging black men because in a white dominated society of the time it was the only way blacks could get any recognition as people through white actors. MANY plays performed by actors in Black Face were actually decrying the plight of the black man through theater. Do I need to come up with a list of notable plays of the era against slavery using black faced actors? EVEN SOME FAMOUS BLACK ACTORS HAD TO WEAR BLACK FACE PAINT ON STAGE! So would I be a racist if I wore a tee shirt that said "Vote for me, YOU CAN TRUST ME!" wearing an Obama mask, and carrying a toy gun and a burgler mask like a bank robber I would be a racist? Really, you are going to degrade years of progress towards equality like this? the lady thinks thou dost protest too much the whole post is irrelevant to any point I made or was trying to make,,,,draw your own conclusions to the strawman questions posed,,, In deference to your previous comment that all black men have a heritage from Africa. That unto itself is fallacious. ALL humanity appears to have roots somewhere in the vicinity of Africa but when humans were starting to begin to act like Humans the continents were very different still. The Mediterranean sea did not exist. Now with that aside the idea that all blacks originated from Africa is still in another light fallacious... Where are Australian Aborigines from? How much ancestry of NON AFRICAN heritage do they have? Now they are black too... Aren't they? Then there is a population of (dotted) Indians who are for all intents and purposes BLACK! I have met a few over the years. Now if anything your argument against a man wearing an Obama mask is racist and comparable to wearing black face... Dissimilar Equation. Likewise Red Herring. Likewise I detect a certain amount of IfButThen here. Not to be mean or anything but there really is a difference between tasteless and racist! You want to know what really surprises me? I am surprised no one has begun robbing banks wearing a president Obama mask yet! 
Actually I stand corrected. It seems a wacky Austrian has been doing just that! http://www.disinfo.com/2011/01/austrias-obama-bank-robber/ 
So let me just say I am surprised no one here in AMERICA has done that yet! God if four to six guys did this it would be so ironic and Hollywood! What is Obama in the Plural?
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It's called political satire. is that the new slang for blackface? interesting,,,,and the black isnt even a shade that matches the president,,, GOOD GOD, please... You want to see a racist message done by a black musician for the black community? YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSTANTLY VIEW ANYTHING A WHITE MAN DOES LIKE THIS AS BEING RACIST? Little wonder since what I am presenting was DECLINED by BET (BUHLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION) because the message runs contrary to what BET sells on their network... http://youtu.be/GlKL_EpnSp8 SO how many times have you heard the N word here? I gave up counting after twenty! White people have said what is presented in this video but we get called RACIST! BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THE SAME DAMN THING! AND THEY GET CALLED OTHER THINGS BESIDES RACIST! Seriously. There is more to this than color lines. A white man has just as much right to protest and if that bothers you well, sorry but when the shoe is on the other foot and all... You want black face? Well here you go!
ANOTHER FACT CHECK! This was common and socially acceptable up to the 1930s! It didn't go out of style until after the 1940's. It didn't become a racist issue until the 1970s. Even then Black face was not a way of Disparaging black men because in a white dominated society of the time it was the only way blacks could get any recognition as people through white actors. MANY plays performed by actors in Black Face were actually decrying the plight of the black man through theater. Do I need to come up with a list of notable plays of the era against slavery using black faced actors? EVEN SOME FAMOUS BLACK ACTORS HAD TO WEAR BLACK FACE PAINT ON STAGE! So would I be a racist if I wore a tee shirt that said "Vote for me, YOU CAN TRUST ME!" wearing an Obama mask, and carrying a toy gun and a burgler mask like a bank robber I would be a racist? Really, you are going to degrade years of progress towards equality like this? the lady thinks thou dost protest too much the whole post is irrelevant to any point I made or was trying to make,,,,draw your own conclusions to the strawman questions posed,,, You should go review the definition of "straw man". Your whole argument is the conversion of political satire to your strawman argument about race. The actual definition of what this thread is about is as defined by the OP, not you. good point so the op states 'obama spreading the wealth' yet in the photo is no picture of OBAMA or money so the SATIRE missed with me and I posted my opinion as to why and what I thought of its additional intent (Besides simple satire) there wasnt a strawman but a logical flow and questioning of why the title really didnt fit what was shown,,,, all this other stuff about the n word and whatever youtube video adds nothing to those points,, to refute or confirm them so I consider them 'strawman' Definition of STRAW MAN 1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted |
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. . . but other than that,, yeah, you got the precept of 'race' as it is used in america,,,
as it is used in America is the problem. People born and raised in the USA have a bad tendency to have an ethnocentric perception of the world. ethnocentric perception is indeed a problem. Could you provide a link to support your perception of ethnocentric perception of the world? http://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/ethno.htm http://myethnography.blogspot.com/2010/01/ethnocentrism.html http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-ethnocentrism.htm http://navigatingcultures.com/blog/?p=506 Ethnocentrism isn't limited to people born and raised in the USA. It is something that can show up in any person's conversation when the conversation takes place on an international website. |
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Edited by
alleoops
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. . . but other than that,, yeah, you got the precept of 'race' as it is used in america,,,
as it is used in America is the problem. People born and raised in the USA have a bad tendency to have an ethnocentric perception of the world. ethnocentric perception is indeed a problem. Could you provide a link to support your perception of ethnocentric perception of the world? http://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/ethno.htm http://myethnography.blogspot.com/2010/01/ethnocentrism.html http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-ethnocentrism.htm http://navigatingcultures.com/blog/?p=506 Ethnocentrism isn't limited to people born and raised in the USA. It is something that can show up in any person's conversation when the conversation takes place on an international website. Thank you. Providing links are very helpful. |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet).
However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. thats never stopped us from discussing any other persons motivations,,,,, but you are right, we dont KNOW, we only have opinions |
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. . . but other than that,, yeah, you got the precept of 'race' as it is used in america,,,
as it is used in America is the problem. People born and raised in the USA have a bad tendency to have an ethnocentric perception of the world. ethnocentric perception is indeed a problem. Could you provide a link to support your perception of ethnocentric perception of the world? http://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/ethno.htm http://myethnography.blogspot.com/2010/01/ethnocentrism.html http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-ethnocentrism.htm http://navigatingcultures.com/blog/?p=506 Ethnocentrism isn't limited to people born and raised in the USA. It is something that can show up in any person's conversation when the conversation takes place on an international website. Thank you. Providing links are very helpful. Hey, your request was a reasonable one. I wish that this site's system would have automatically converted each URL to a hyperlink. |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. thats never stopped us from discussing any other persons motivations,,,,, but you are right, we dont KNOW, we only have opinions In another thread, I warned that the use of an image pertaining to the old Confederacy could be mistaken for an expression of racism. So, the image in this thread's OP could be mistaken for the same thing, because the mask being worn does not resemble President Obama. |
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Obama is sitting on top of a manure spreader. I understand now why this is offensive.
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It's called political satire. is that the new slang for blackface? interesting,,,,and the black isnt even a shade that matches the president,,, GOOD GOD, please... You want to see a racist message done by a black musician for the black community? YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSTANTLY VIEW ANYTHING A WHITE MAN DOES LIKE THIS AS BEING RACIST? Little wonder since what I am presenting was DECLINED by BET (BUHLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION) because the message runs contrary to what BET sells on their network... http://youtu.be/GlKL_EpnSp8 SO how many times have you heard the N word here? I gave up counting after twenty! White people have said what is presented in this video but we get called RACIST! BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THE SAME DAMN THING! AND THEY GET CALLED OTHER THINGS BESIDES RACIST! Seriously. There is more to this than color lines. A white man has just as much right to protest and if that bothers you well, sorry but when the shoe is on the other foot and all... You want black face? Well here you go!
ANOTHER FACT CHECK! This was common and socially acceptable up to the 1930s! It didn't go out of style until after the 1940's. It didn't become a racist issue until the 1970s. Even then Black face was not a way of Disparaging black men because in a white dominated society of the time it was the only way blacks could get any recognition as people through white actors. MANY plays performed by actors in Black Face were actually decrying the plight of the black man through theater. Do I need to come up with a list of notable plays of the era against slavery using black faced actors? EVEN SOME FAMOUS BLACK ACTORS HAD TO WEAR BLACK FACE PAINT ON STAGE! So would I be a racist if I wore a tee shirt that said "Vote for me, YOU CAN TRUST ME!" wearing an Obama mask, and carrying a toy gun and a burgler mask like a bank robber I would be a racist? Really, you are going to degrade years of progress towards equality like this? the lady thinks thou dost protest too much the whole post is irrelevant to any point I made or was trying to make,,,,draw your own conclusions to the strawman questions posed,,, You should go review the definition of "straw man". Your whole argument is the conversion of political satire to your strawman argument about race. The actual definition of what this thread is about is as defined by the OP, not you. good point so the op states 'obama spreading the wealth' yet in the photo is no picture of OBAMA or money so the SATIRE missed with me and I posted my opinion as to why and what I thought of its additional intent (Besides simple satire) there wasnt a strawman but a logical flow and questioning of why the title really didnt fit what was shown,,,, all this other stuff about the n word and whatever youtube video adds nothing to those points,, to refute or confirm them so I consider them 'strawman' Definition of STRAW MAN 1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted Again wrong! Manure Spreader? Thats the thing Obama is riding on. Much like he uses the Whitehouse as the manure spreader he casts his BS all over us with! Remember where Obama's help went? The banks got MONEY and we got S*H*I*T??? GET IT NOW? This is a Straw Man... 
BUT THE OP's PICTURE IS SATIRE! 
And the crowd goes wild! |
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agree to disagree
the title is OBAMA SPREADING THE WEALTH I get the 'satire', just like I get the joke about the chicken crossing the road I just dont find it funny or accurate being the person depicted bares NO RESEMBLANCE to the person on the float even though they obviously looked for MASKS (of which there are plenty) to try to imitate him,,,, so I question why they chose such a mask when so many of president obama are available (unless there is no internet or walmart in that town,,,) |
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Why is the drivers face painted white?
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Why is the drivers face painted white? I think that is a latex mask as well, to hide his identity. |
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Why is the drivers face painted white? I think that is a latex mask as well, to hide his identity. Well to hide from the 10 people at the parade. 
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Why is the drivers face painted white? I think that is a latex mask as well, to hide his identity. Well to hide from the 10 people at the parade.
lol apparently and the potential hundreds of thousands over the internet,, |
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The mask shown in the OP's photo isn't a mask of President Obama (at least it isn't like any Obama mask that I have found while searching the internet). However, the person wearing the mask may not have had anything racist in mind when deciding to wear the mask. Unless we talk to the man wearing the mask, we won't know for certain why he selected that particular mask to wear. Yes, unless we have a link, we will never know. thats never stopped us from discussing any other persons motivations,,,,, but you are right, we dont KNOW, we only have opinions In another thread, I warned that the use of an image pertaining to the old Confederacy could be mistaken for an expression of racism. So, the image in this thread's OP could be mistaken for the same thing, because the mask being worn does not resemble President Obama. That's very perceptive, thank you. |
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Why is the drivers face painted white? I think that is a latex mask as well, to hide his identity. Well to hide from the 10 people at the parade.
lol apparently and the potential hundreds of thousands over the internet,,
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It's called political satire. is that the new slang for blackface? interesting,,,,and the black isnt even a shade that matches the president,,, GOOD GOD, please... You want to see a racist message done by a black musician for the black community? YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSTANTLY VIEW ANYTHING A WHITE MAN DOES LIKE THIS AS BEING RACIST? Little wonder since what I am presenting was DECLINED by BET (BUHLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION) because the message runs contrary to what BET sells on their network... http://youtu.be/GlKL_EpnSp8 SO how many times have you heard the N word here? I gave up counting after twenty! White people have said what is presented in this video but we get called RACIST! BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THE SAME DAMN THING! AND THEY GET CALLED OTHER THINGS BESIDES RACIST! Seriously. There is more to this than color lines. A white man has just as much right to protest and if that bothers you well, sorry but when the shoe is on the other foot and all... You want black face? Well here you go!
ANOTHER FACT CHECK! This was common and socially acceptable up to the 1930s! It didn't go out of style until after the 1940's. It didn't become a racist issue until the 1970s. Even then Black face was not a way of Disparaging black men because in a white dominated society of the time it was the only way blacks could get any recognition as people through white actors. MANY plays performed by actors in Black Face were actually decrying the plight of the black man through theater. Do I need to come up with a list of notable plays of the era against slavery using black faced actors? EVEN SOME FAMOUS BLACK ACTORS HAD TO WEAR BLACK FACE PAINT ON STAGE! So would I be a racist if I wore a tee shirt that said "Vote for me, YOU CAN TRUST ME!" wearing an Obama mask, and carrying a toy gun and a burgler mask like a bank robber I would be a racist? Really, you are going to degrade years of progress towards equality like this? the lady thinks thou dost protest too much the whole post is irrelevant to any point I made or was trying to make,,,,draw your own conclusions to the strawman questions posed,,, You should go review the definition of "straw man". Your whole argument is the conversion of political satire to your strawman argument about race. The actual definition of what this thread is about is as defined by the OP, not you. good point so the op states 'obama spreading the wealth' yet in the photo is no picture of OBAMA or money so the SATIRE missed with me and I posted my opinion as to why and what I thought of its additional intent (Besides simple satire) there wasnt a strawman but a logical flow and questioning of why the title really didnt fit what was shown,,,, all this other stuff about the n word and whatever youtube video adds nothing to those points,, to refute or confirm them so I consider them 'strawman' Definition of STRAW MAN 1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted How ironic. You use a straw man argument to defend a straw man argument. Try to focus on what you wrote in response to my post of "political satire" which I still stand behind 100%. A more accurate definition of "straw man" is as follows: The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument: 1. Person A has position X. 2. Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: 1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position. 2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2] 3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1] 4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical. 5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version. 3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position. I said "political satire". You responded with "... a form of blackface". Everything you argued from that point forward was disingenuous as you had created the classic straw man and actually changed the subject at the same time. Your argument was "straw man" in every regard. |
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It's called political satire. is that the new slang for blackface? interesting,,,,and the black isnt even a shade that matches the president,,, GOOD GOD, please... You want to see a racist message done by a black musician for the black community? YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSTANTLY VIEW ANYTHING A WHITE MAN DOES LIKE THIS AS BEING RACIST? Little wonder since what I am presenting was DECLINED by BET (BUHLACK ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION) because the message runs contrary to what BET sells on their network... http://youtu.be/GlKL_EpnSp8 SO how many times have you heard the N word here? I gave up counting after twenty! White people have said what is presented in this video but we get called RACIST! BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THE SAME DAMN THING! AND THEY GET CALLED OTHER THINGS BESIDES RACIST! Seriously. There is more to this than color lines. A white man has just as much right to protest and if that bothers you well, sorry but when the shoe is on the other foot and all... You want black face? Well here you go!
ANOTHER FACT CHECK! This was common and socially acceptable up to the 1930s! It didn't go out of style until after the 1940's. It didn't become a racist issue until the 1970s. Even then Black face was not a way of Disparaging black men because in a white dominated society of the time it was the only way blacks could get any recognition as people through white actors. MANY plays performed by actors in Black Face were actually decrying the plight of the black man through theater. Do I need to come up with a list of notable plays of the era against slavery using black faced actors? EVEN SOME FAMOUS BLACK ACTORS HAD TO WEAR BLACK FACE PAINT ON STAGE! So would I be a racist if I wore a tee shirt that said "Vote for me, YOU CAN TRUST ME!" wearing an Obama mask, and carrying a toy gun and a burgler mask like a bank robber I would be a racist? Really, you are going to degrade years of progress towards equality like this? the lady thinks thou dost protest too much the whole post is irrelevant to any point I made or was trying to make,,,,draw your own conclusions to the strawman questions posed,,, You should go review the definition of "straw man". Your whole argument is the conversion of political satire to your strawman argument about race. The actual definition of what this thread is about is as defined by the OP, not you. good point so the op states 'obama spreading the wealth' yet in the photo is no picture of OBAMA or money so the SATIRE missed with me and I posted my opinion as to why and what I thought of its additional intent (Besides simple satire) there wasnt a strawman but a logical flow and questioning of why the title really didnt fit what was shown,,,, all this other stuff about the n word and whatever youtube video adds nothing to those points,, to refute or confirm them so I consider them 'strawman' Definition of STRAW MAN 1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted How ironic. You use a straw man argument to defend a straw man argument. Try to focus on what you wrote in response to my post of "political satire" which I still stand behind 100%. A more accurate definition of "straw man" is as follows: The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument: 1. Person A has position X. 2. Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: 1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position. 2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2] 3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1] 4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical. 5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version. 3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position. I said "political satire". You responded with "... a form of blackface". Everything you argued from that point forward was disingenuous as you had created the classic straw man and actually changed the subject at the same time. Your argument was "straw man" in every regard. political satire does not EXCLUDE racism so I dont get your point,,, |
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