No judgement from me. The title came from the video, which we just found today and watched. It made me wonder what your opinion of this is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DiathA-_Es

Have you seen it too? What do you think?

How much of it is True? False?

Were these really based on facts? Or were all exaggerations?

Do you agree with the laws? Do you think it's unnecessary?

I didn't know I was gonna take a test but I'm going with C - All of the above.....

I dont really want to watch 40 minutes of griping,, off the opening,, sounds like complaining about the need for permits

I dont consider requiring a permit to mean something is illegal,, personally. ITs illegal to murder, and you cant get a permit for it. Its illegal to steal and you cant get a permit for it. IF it requires a permit, its probably an issue of health and safety regulations being required and not really about it being 'illegal',,,,

like its not ILLEGAL to practice medicine, if you have the (regulated) certification to do so.

In the video, there's a part where small girls were told to stop selling Lemonade in front of their houses, because it's illegal to do so, etc. The cops went to their houses and told this to the kids.

A number of people got arrested by cops for taking a video of what the cops were doing in front of them...and so on.

Some claim that there are too many obscure laws and decent people-- entrepreneurs-- are being thrown in jail for just selling lobsters, milk or chickens.

One guy was thrown out of his own property even after he won the lawsuit against the government.

One will be fined thousands of dollars for having a type of tree in his yard. A tree that is prolific in his area, if I remember correctly.

A+!

dont know about other things but i know that SEX is legal and that is enough for me to settle in America!

Selling goods that are consumed by people and are prone to rotting are regulated. Only those establishments that have the readiness to keep things fresh and unrotted can get a permit to sell chicken, lobster, etc.

-- I agree with this law. Much more food poisoning cases would come up to the courts. Huge lawsuits could be generated. If people died of poisoned (even if unintentionally poisoned) food, all hell would break loose. Givign the nice name "entrepeneur" to the seller of perishable food items is not a cause for vindication house-to-house selling.

-- in case of the kids selling lemonade: A cop is required by law and his oath to investigate and report crime, (and to use his discretion in prioritizing his activities.) Selling perishables while not licenced, is a crime. It would be ardorous to make all the exceptions that could be made. There is the issue in law, how detailed the law wants to discriminate the incriminables from the non-incriminables. It all boils down to saving money in drawing up laws that are easier to use than harder.

-- most cops will overlook a couple of kids selling lemonaide, but if their day is slow, they will bust the kids. They have to prioritize, and if there is no crime at that time more important to solve or make an arrest, then the pigs will go after the kids, they are mandated to do so -- both the kids and the cops.

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"One guy was thrown out of his own property even after he won the lawsuit against the government."

Okay, not enough information given. He won a lawsuit against the government (there are at least three levels of gov - which you mean?) (and you don't say if he was thrown out for the same reason that generated a suit -- if it was the same reason, what was the suit for? Without that I can neither agree with your consternation nor disagree. I am not going to watch the video.)

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The tree in the yard -- could it have been of the type that houses the asian horned beetle, or the like? Or could it have been planted over a water line or sewage line? Was the tree too close to his house, or to the neighbour's house? or was this an area of severe water shortages, and tree presented a fire hazard, or a danger to wildlife and flora, because it would suck up too much environmental water?

Without details, again, you are not making it clear what we must decide.

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What I see is that the show was aimed at viewers who have little critical ability, who have only a rudimentary sense of reality, and who are not familiar with the extent and breadth of the complexity of today's living in society, and which complex system must be regulated, in order for all of us to get along nicely.

The details are all on the video. As much as I would value your opinion on the subject matter, I'm not about to transcribe the entire dialogue when it's very easy to watch it through the link.

Regardless on what type of audience the makers of the video were actually aiming for, I was asking on your own opinion about the broadcast.

Thanks anyway.

It's enough for me also.

I definitely don't agree with some of the laws. It's sad that little kids can't sell lemonade without having a license, then to be harassed by cops. We've got all these meth labs everywhere, but it's good to know the cops are stopping the lemonade hooligans!


I appreciate the link, Red, even if no one else does.

Thanks, T! :D

Nothing I won't lose sleep over. Just curious to know what others thought about it or if they had seen it.

Some of the NEWER laws, don't make sense. Shows the reason we need to take things back to basics & DEMAND ENFORCEMENT of the Constitution & the laws that started this country.

that things were better when the constitution was written is a fantasy,,,,,,

laws are not hurting us,, we are hurting ourselves and greed is much more the blame than any 'law'

The sheer joy of being able to open a lemonade
(Kool-Aid) stand on your own lawn when you
are a kid is something that stays with you
a lifetime.

On the other hand, regulating that could
save lives.

So, I guess my call would be, if a law is
in place to protect (such as this one) as
opposed to making fees, I would have to
back it.

Very sad :-(

there was a time when laws were enforced by PEACE OFFICERS. it seems those days are gone. now LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS are enforcing laws that don't keep peace. used to be anyone could travel anywhere in the continental united states without being stopped and asked to identify themselves, now stopping citizens and asking them to submit to questioning and checking id's without probable cause is common. requiring permits, and fining citizens to create revenue for the city, county, or state takes priority over street patrol. laws used to be in place to protect you from me and me from you. now some laws are in place to protect people from themselves

Yeah, the look on those girls' faces were tragic. Even girl scout cookies have the same restrictions, I think.

This opinion was also on the same lines of one who was interviewed in the video.

I know huh.
But maybe if parents stepped up, got the
permits required, explained to the kids
the why's, everyone could learn and enjoy.

In the video, the father of the kids went to their city hall(?) to ask about it and he said the people there laughed when they learned police officers closed down the lemonade stand. Also, they didn't know about the law about it. The policemen also didn't know what the law was exactly, only that it wasn't allowed.

The host asked a government office what it would take to have a legal lemonade stand. He was directed to a site that gave him a load of forms to complete, etc. He said it would take months to get a permit for one sidewalk lemonade stand legally.

I'm just telling you what I remember about the video. :)

eee.
fox.
D:
once upon a time i was very much interested in politics,
now i simply don't give a damn.
it's kinda like trying to help the mass murderer who's on death row for the childhood problems he never overcame.