Noam Chomsky



Washington's pathetic capitulation to Israel while pleading for a meaningless three-month freeze on settlement expansion -- excluding Arab East Jerusalem -- should go down as one of the most humiliating moments in U.S. diplomatic history.

In September the last settlement freeze ended, leading the Palestinians to cease direct talks with Israel. Now the Obama administration, desperate to lure Israel into a new freeze and thus revive the talks, is grasping at invisible straws -- and lavishing gifts on a far-right Israeli government.

The gifts include $3 billion for fighter jets. The largesse also happens to be another taxpayer grant to the U.S. arms industry, which gains doubly from programs to expand the militarization of the Middle East.

U.S. arms manufacturers are subsidized not only to develop and produce advanced equipment for a state that is virtually part of the U.S. military-intelligence establishment but also to provide second-rate military equipment to the Gulf states -- currently a precedent-breaking $60 billion arms sale to Saudi Arabia, which is a transaction that also recycles petrodollars to an ailing U.S. economy.

Israeli and U.S. high-tech civilian industries are closely integrated. It is small wonder that the most fervent support for Israeli actions comes from the business press and the Republican Party, the more extreme of the two business-oriented political parties. The pretext for the huge arms sales to Saudi Arabia is defense against the "Iranian threat."

However, the Iranian threat is not military, as the Pentagon and U.S. intelligence have emphasized. Were Iran to develop a nuclear weapons capacity, the purpose would be deterrent -- presumably to ward off a U.S.-Israeli attack.

The real threat, in Washington's view, is that Iran is seeking to expand its influence in neighboring countries "stabilized" by U.S. invasion and occupation.

The official line is that the Arab states are pleading for U.S. military aid to defend themselves against Iran. True or false, the claim provides interesting insight into the reigning concept of democracy. Whatever the ruling dictatorships may prefer, Arabs in a recent Brookings poll rank the major threats to the region as Israel (88 percent), the United States (77 percent) and Iran (10 percent).

It is interesting that U.S. officials, as revealed in the just-released WikiLeaks cables, totally ignored Arab public opinion, keeping to the views of the reigning dictators.

The U.S. gifts to Israel also include diplomatic support, according to current reports. Washington pledges to veto any U.N. Security Council actions that might annoy Israel's leaders and to drop any call for further extension of a settlement freeze.

Hence, by agreeing to the three-month pause, Israel will no longer be disturbed by the paymaster as it expands its criminal actions in the occupied territories.

That these actions are criminal has not been in doubt since late 1967, when Israel's leading legal authority, international jurist Theodor Meron, advised the government that its plans to initiate settlements in the occupied territories violated the Fourth Geneva Convention, a core principle of international humanitarian law, established in 1949 to criminalize the horrors of the Nazi regime.

Meron's conclusion was endorsed by Justice Minister Ya'akov Shimson Shapira, and shortly after by Defense Minister Moshe Dayan, writes historian Gershom Gorenberg in "The Accidental Empire."

Dayan informed his fellow ministers, "We must consolidate our hold so that over time we will succeed in 'digesting' Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and merging them with 'little' Israel," meanwhile "dismember(ing) the territorial contiguity" of the West Bank, all under the usual pretense "that the step is necessary for military purposes."

Dayan had no doubts, or qualms, about what he was recommending: "Settling Israelis in occupied territory contravenes, as is known, international conventions," he observed. "But there is nothing essentially new in that."

Dayan's correct assumption was that the boss in Washington might object formally, but with a wink, and would continue to provide the decisive military, economic and diplomatic support for the criminal endeavors.

The criminality has been underscored by repeated Security Council resolutions, more recently by the International Court of Justice, with the basic agreement of U.S. Justice Thomas Buergenthal in a separate declaration. Israel's actions also violate U.N. Security Council resolutions concerning Jerusalem. But everything is fine as long as Washington winks.

Back in Washington, the Republican super-hawks are even more fervent in their support for Israeli crimes. Eric Cantor, the new majority leader in the House of Representatives, "has floated a novel solution to protect aid for Israel from the current foreign aid backlash," Glenn Kessler reports in The Washington Post: "giving the Jewish state its own funding account, thus removing it from funds for the rest of the world."

The issue of settlement expansion is simply a diversion. The real issue is the existence of the settlements and related infrastructure developments. These have been carefully designed so that Israel has already taken over more than 40 percent of the occupied West Bank, including suburbs of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv; the arable land; and the primary water sources of the region, all on the Israeli side of the Separation Wall -- in reality an annexation wall.

Since 1967, Israel has vastly expanded the borders of Jerusalem in violation of Security Council orders and despite universal international objection (including the U.S., at least formally).

The focus on settlement expansion, and Washington's groveling, are not the only farcical elements of the current negotiations. The very structure is a charade. The U.S. is portrayed as an "honest broker" seeking to mediate between two recalcitrant adversaries. But serious negotiations would be conducted by some neutral party, with the U.S. and Israel on one side, and the world on the other.

It is hardly a secret that for 35 years the U.S. and Israel have stood virtually alone in opposition to a consensus on a political settlement that is close to universal, including the Arab states, the Organization of the Islamic Conference (including Iran), and all other relevant parties.

With brief and rare departures, the two rejectionist states have preferred illegal expansion to security. Unless Washington's stand changes, political settlement is effectively barred. And expansion, with its reverberations throughout the region and the world, continues.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20101206.htm

Noam Chomsky the number 1 Israel hater of the world.



Made a career out of it.

The charade of the Arab-Israeli talks is this:

Arabs/Palestinians have no interest or willingness to actually accept
peace with a Jewish state of Israel. Whenever they get autonomy as
they now have in the West Bank and Gaza they misuse it to launch more
terrorist attacks.

This is the central reason why Pal/Arabs have been unable to advance
economically, politically and as a vital society. They are unwilling
to accept peace so they are unable to make peace. Has nothing to do
with the US and our much needed support of the terrorized and abused
Israelis who are simply trying to live peacefully next to this cesspool.

Palestinian Arabs are caught in their own hell made of hatred,
self-pity, terrorism and despair. When Palestinians put down their
bombs and pick up their shovels there will be peace.

Your only kidding yourself. Noam Chomsky is jewish and his career :


He is an Institute Professor and Professor (Emeritus) in the Department of Linguistics & Philosophy at MIT, where he has worked for over 50 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

I would take his word over any number of unnamed propagandists.

You only like the "named" propagandists?! Why would you take Chomsky's
word on anything? He may be a cunning Linguist but he does not
know squat about Israel.



Chomsky is an idiot who has made a career out of making controversial
and inflammatory anti-Israel arguments as a method of shameless self-aggrandizement.

I would not paper a rat's cage with some of his vehemently anti-Israeli writings. The rat deserves better.



Just because he was born to Jewish parents and somehow managed to
get a faculty appointment at MIT does not impress me. What impresses
me is excellent insight and fair analysis and Chomsky fails miserably
on both counts at least in regard to Israel.

Here is another guy who was "born Jewish"



"Rising star of Hungarian anti-Semitic party forced to resign after
he discovers his Jewish heritage

It emerged that Csanad Szegedi's grandfather was a forced labour
camp veteran and that his grandmother was a survivor of Auschwitz"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rising-star-of-hungarian-antisemitic-party-forced-to-resign-after-he-discovers-his-jewish-heritage-8053216.html

Maybe he and Chomsky can start a new Hungarian rat cage paper Party.

I suppose if Mr Chomsky were wrong in anything he said the powerful Jewish lobby would have had him fired decades ago.

The fact is his observations are correct and honest and that of course infuriates the propagandists and zionist thugs.

He has nothing to gain by anything he is a principled man and a man of honor. I find your contempt for him laughable and absurd.

Chomsky's inept arguments are very amusing it is true.
He should have stuck with Linguistics.

Now to get back on topic and away from the Chomsky is a clown
discussion....and whether his clown nose is blue or red....





The charade of the Arab-Israeli talks is this:

Arabs/Palestinians have no interest or willingness to actually accept
peace with a Jewish state of Israel. Whenever they get autonomy as
they now have in the West Bank and Gaza they misuse it to launch more
terrorist attacks.

This is the central reason why Pal/Arabs have been unable to advance
economically, politically and as a vital society. They are unwilling
to accept peace so they are unable to make peace. Has nothing to do
with the US and our much needed support of the terrorized and abused
Israelis who are simply trying to live peacefully next to this cesspool.

Palestinian Arabs are caught in their own hell made of hatred,
self-pity, terrorism and despair. When Palestinians put down their
bombs and pick up their shovels there will be peace.



but don't take my word for it.

Listen to someone who actually studies the Middle East and did
their graduate work at the Middle East Institute at Columbia
University - someone who actually has relevant and exemplary
academic credentials with regard to the Middle East conflict.



Why is the Middle East Problem so intractable? Dennis Prager,
nationally syndicated talk show host and best-selling author,
answers that question in this thought-provoking video course.

http://youtu.be/63hTOaRu7h4

Like I said Mr Chomsky's honest and accurate observations drive the propagandists mad.

Mr Chomsky wouldn't know an honest and accurate observation on the
Middle East situation if it painted itself purple and ran through
the corridors singing "Honest and Accurate Observations are Here
Again!"

The charade of the Arab-Israeli talks is this:

Arabs/Palestinians have no interest or willingness to actually accept
peace with a Jewish state of Israel. Whenever they get autonomy as
they now have in the West Bank and Gaza they misuse it to launch more
terrorist attacks.

This is the central reason why Pal/Arabs have been unable to advance
economically, politically and as a vital society. They are unwilling
to accept peace so they are unable to make peace. Has nothing to do
with the US and our much needed support of the terrorized and abused
Israelis who are simply trying to live peacefully next to this cesspool.

Palestinian Arabs are caught in their own hell made of hatred,
self-pity, terrorism and despair. When Palestinians put down their
bombs and pick up their shovels there will be peace.

Tactic # 3

Attack the messenger.

Noam Chomsky is an educated intelligent man. His only fault, he tells the truth.

Israeli-Palestinian Talks are a Charade. The only reason the criminal Cabal of Israel ever want to 'talk' is because they still believe they can bargain, threaten, and otherwise convince someone to believe them and make some agreement with them that they will otherwise break and lie about, (or call it "an unfortunate accident or misunderstanding.)

Just as the British/American government lied to the Native Americans and broke all the treaties with them, so will the Israel Cabal lie and break treaties with anyone they want to get what they want.

What you call "terrorist attacks" they call war. And I agree, Arabs or Palestinians should have no interest or willingness to trust Israel or believe them when they claim they want "peace." For Israel, peace is, "do things our way, follow our laws, serve US and you will have peaces. SERVE US.



What a crock! However, the Isrealis should be terrorized now because thier esteemed leaders (and corrupt Rabis) will make enemies and war on their behalf and then abandon them when the going gets rough. Rich Israeli businessmen and bankers are already leaving Israel like rats fleeing a sinking ship. They have second and third homes elsewhere.




Pick up their shovels? To do what? Bury their dead? The biggest problem they have is Israel.... a thorn in their side that won't go away.

Pick up their shovels and build a new and productive life for their
children. The support of Palestinian attacks advocated above against
innocent Israeli women and children is reprehensible and counterproductive
to the interests of all peace loving people.

Terrorist attacks is not warfare. It is purposefully killing noncombatants.

Terrorist attacks are war crimes - ie. too reprehensible even for
warfare as accepted by all countries. The Palestinian terrorist
groups are war criminals and they will never be tolerated by any
civilized society. Likewise for those who support them such as
Iran.

All the Palestinians and Arabs have to do to have peace is to
abandon their hatred and terrorism. Instant peace.

Since all I hear are rumors, I can't believe what you are saying. Israel bull dozed down homes and infrastructures that were being used.

Why would they do that?

All you are doing is parroting rumors. Where is the real evidence for what you claim? Why do you only tell one side of the story? How do you know it is even true? Were you there? Have you lived there? Are you a citizen of Israel, and if so why not? You defend Israel as if you are.

I have not seen any of this with my own eyes and I can't trust a media that is controled by Zionists Jews and owned by a criminal Cabal.

You consistantly only tell a slanted side of the story, and for you, its just a bunch of terrorist picking on poor hated persecuted Jews.

I just don't believe that spin. It makes no logical sense at all and it does not ring true.

Israel has had a policy of destroying the places where terrorist
attacks were planned and they have bulldozed houses where bombers
lived and planned their attacks. They have had a policy of destroying
smuggling tunnels and the structures where the tunnel outlets are
hidden since new tunnels could be built and arms could be smuggled
into these areas.

It actually has been a controversial policy within Israel but it
is hardly inscrutable. Israel does not wish for any more terrorist
attacks to be planned against her citizenry.

If the terrorist attacks stop there would be no more bulldozing.

I'm sure we could fill a large encyclopedia with the things you
have not seen and have no experience with personally but that does
not make them false.

Read from several different points of view and examine the
documentary evidence - watch the videos I and others have posted
with an open mind. Consider for a while why is it that when Israel
puts down their arms they are brutally attacked but when the Arabs
put down their weapons there is peace as long as they are not
attacking anyone.

And eventually it will become clearer. But you have to be willing
to actually learn the truth.

I tell the truth. It so happens that the Israeli side of the story
has more merit. I hope to help others who have less understanding
to appreciate the challenges facing the Israelis. It is not that I
do not appreciate the Palestinian viewpoint - I do - but they are
wrong mostly.

It is not that I do not sympathize with the Palestinians. I do.
They have been brutally victimized by their own governments and
left to rot. It is not fair. Many of them would love to live in
Israel as Israelis but right now Israel has a deep fundamental
distrust of all Palestinians because of the prolonged terrorist
attacks and of the vile teachings of Hamas, Hezbollah and their ilk..

Yes I have spent time in the Mideast. I know the situation well.
That you consider my point of view and arguments as authentic
is flattering and gives me hope that you have the capacity to come
to a better understanding. On the other hand, the global conspiracy
theories give me pause and indicate to me that there may never
be an ability to understand objectively very well with such
deep seated misunderstanding of the world at this basic level.
What is most disconcerting is the level of acrid ugly intolerance
of the Israelis trying to live in their own land. The unjust
condemnation of the free and democratic Israeli people and even
more shocking the apologetic tone towards real Palestinian
terrorist attacks on Israelis.

^^ This.

^^Thread. This vociferous naivete you highlight is remarkable in its ignorance. But then, that is source of most racist ideologies.

Maybe they should get out their shovels to dig holes to plant more olive trees since the Israelis have dug them up.


Earlier this week, some farmers received a most unwelcome disturbance. It was the Israeli settlers from the illegal development, who came to cut down the grapes and destroy the olive trees that were their livelihood.

This is going on all over the Occupied Territories at present. In other places it appears to be the IDF.

http://www.garethepps.org.uk/2012/05/17/israel-rips-up-the-olive-groves-of-the-west-bank-lib-dems-press-for-action/

If that link doesn't work try this one for the same story.http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-19/will-israel-declare-war-on-violent-settlers-jeffrey-goldberg.html

I know right from wrong. Israel is very often wrong.

I know desparation when I see it.

A suicide bomber is a desparate person. If that person had a ray of hope that they could live in peace and prosperity he or she would not be a suicide bomber.

Unfortunately, human beings would rather die than to be ruled by tyrants.

Well if you want to keep talking about Chompers instead of the real
thread issue that is fine by me. Chomsky is a highly educated
linguist nincompoop with no real training in the Mideast he has
inserted his own very rabid and incorrect anti-Israel bias into
everything he writes.



At least it is very transparent that Chomsky makes no effort to be
evenhanded. No need for contempt of Chomsky. His writings are
contemptible enough on their own.



What is really amusing is that while you venerate Chomsky's
obviously biased and inaccurate Israel bashing and laud his
academic credentials in a totally unrelated and irrelevant field
of linguistics, at the same time the obviously excellent credentials
of someone who actually did study at the Middle East
Institute at Columbia University. Prager, in this short video makes
a simple and compelling statement of the real problem in the Middle East.

http://youtu.be/63hTOaRu7h4

Truth is likely to be dismissed by those poisoned by Jew hatred.
Oh well - at least those who are truly open-minded about the
Israeli-Arab conflict will watch it and come away with the true
nature of the issue confronting Israel and the world today.

The talks are a charade for one reason only. There is no real intent
of the Palestinian Arabs to accept the Jewish state of Israel on a
permanent basis and until there is mutual acceptance the talks about
it are just a Palestinian Arab farce.

The evidence of this is everywhere but most obvious in Gaza.
In Gaza, Israel gave the Palestinians the entire region to govern
and live completely as they wish as long as they don't attack
Israel and don't import arms they can do whatever they want there.

What happened in Gaza? The place was taken over in a convulsion of
radical Islamic violence and is now ruled by vicious dictators of
Hamas who immediately torture and kill any peaceful opponents.
Rather than accept Israel and build for peaceful coexistence, Hamas
continues to laud and try to launch terrorist attack on innocent people and
kill their own people.

The actions of Hamas and their ilk show beyond the shadow of a doubt
why the Palestinian Arab-Israeli talks have been a charade. Even
when the Palestinians are given complete autonomy all they do is
continue to futilely attack Israel out of irrational hatred. If they
wanted peace all they would have to do is stop the hatred and terrorism.

Someday the talks may no longer be a charade and we will know
because the Palestinian Arabs will have accepted fully the Jewish
state of Israel living next door and will be advocating to their
children that what is needed is religious tolerance and acceptance
rather than antisemitism.

How do you know that the "terrorist" attacks against Israel are perpentrated by Palestinians? It has been discovered time and time again that the Cabal (Mossad and the CIA goons) with their black operations will infiltrate and/or hire free lance "terrorists" stir up trouble within countries and then the media, which is totally controled will report that Hamas or some other group (Al-Qaeda) had done this.

A perfect example of this is the "dancing" Isralis who were arrested and dressed like Arabs and then were discovered to be Mossad agents and (not surprisingly) set free.

Isralie Mossad have also been caught red handed in Old Mexico planting a bomb in a government building. This appeared in a Mexican newpaper but then the information was quickly squashed and you did not see it in any Major Media here.

The Mossad agents were returned to Israel... after a large sum of money exchanged hands.


Therefore, I don't and can't trust any of your sources.