My stance is actually the same as yours.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claims.

They have not proven their claims.

...and around in circles it goes...

They have not proven their claims. There is no circle.

They never will prove their claims.

They have no evidence.

Again, you misunderstood my post, but I can't be bothered explaining-it's too laborious.

HotRod, did your parrot get loose?

I didn't misunderstand.

You want me to prove my claim that they can't prove their claim.

You want me to prove my claim that they don't have any evidence.



That's not how it works in real life.

It is when there already is a mound of evidence stacked about
1776 ft high with video, confessions, a money trail, eyewitnesses,
and every manner of concrete evidence that shows how and why the
hijackers from Al-Qaeda hijacked and piloted these planes into
our buildings in the name of radical Islamic extremism and yet
you still doggedly continue to ignore the obvious!!

Go ahead and ignore all the evidence discussed in the Wiki and
related articles...It's a hoot.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

The attacks of September 11, 2001 in the northeast United States were carried out by 19 hijackers affiliated with al-Qaeda. The hijackers were organized into four teams, each led by a pilot-trained hijacker with four "muscle hijackers", who were trained to help subdue the pilots, passengers, and crew. 15 of the 19 hijackers were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

The first hijackers to arrive in the United States were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who settled in the San Diego area in January 2000. They were followed by three hijacker-pilots, Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah early in the summer of 2000 to undertake flight training in south Florida. The fourth hijacker-pilot, Hani Hanjour, arrived in San Diego in December 2000. The rest of the "muscle hijackers" arrived in the spring and early summer of 2001.

But the burden of proof is on the government apparently. Back on Planet Earth, it falls to the 'troofers', to prove their claims, and any notion of the reverse is pure sophistry.

No, that is not my point, but I won't go through it again, it is obviously pointless.

Joyous celebrations by the hijackers, proud celebrations of
a victorious and triumphant operation by al-Qaeda, video of the
hijackers and victims in the airport terminals on the way to
their planes, phone calls from in flight, cockpit transmissions
and recordings, live video of the planes hitting the buildings,
and several thousand grieving victms families later and how exactly
do you deny that there there is any proof that "ANYONE AT ALL
BOARDED THOSE PLANES. Including the passengers that were killed?"




And of course there certainly are valid passenger lists.








It's completely irrational.

How many of these threads can be hijacked into truther 9/11 threads?

Joyous celebrations by the hijackers?

I thought they all (supposedly) died in the attack as martyrs.



Really? Where? The only celebration I ever saw what the five celebrating Israeli's who turned out to be MOSSAD AGENTS.

Besides, I bet there are millions of people in the world who hate America who would "celebrate" an attack upon us. As much as they might piss you off, it is not evidence.



.... does not exist.



Can't stand up in court as valid evidence, and are probably faked.




The planes in those videos cannot be positively identified as the high jacked flights. Some videos even also show some kind of missile coming from a plane and hitting the tower before the plane hits it.

That Evidence is not credible.



Just because those people have been reported dead or just because they have disappeared, does not mean they were killed in those hijacked planes. There is no proof that they ever boarded those planes.

Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes?

Answer:
No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist.

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just about all of them...

no, they all bought tickets and didn't board the planes... maybe the government killed them before they boarded? ... i wonder what all of their families are saying about this... people do have relatives, you know... i think the families would know if they didn't buy a ticket or board the planes...

So are you positing your own conspiracy theory now by suggesting that maybe the government killed them before they boarded?



I wonder too.

Below is a link to a screen-shot of the BTS database, Bureau of Traffic Statistics. Oddly it shows that Flight 11, with no wheels off time, or departure time, showing that it never took off on 9/11. This exact same oddity is duplicated regarding the Flight 77, the other American Airlines flight on 9/11 which allegedly took off from Dulles. The BTS database shows that the 2 American airlines planes, flights 11 & 77, as having no wheels off time or departure times. This is actually a key to understanding 9/11 as well as the mystery of the planes & passengers.

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One mystery compounds into another creating a chain or sequence of events that become confusion. The largest blunder that 911 investigators have made is to be aware of this BTS discrepancy and then act as though it wasn't there. Nearly everyone who becomes aware of this BTS discrepancy, then go on to assume that these passengers somehow still ended up on flight 11. The passengers did disappear after all, did they not? And we were all told that they boarded and were on flight 11, right? We have Air Traffic controllers as eye witnesses saying that flight 11 was seen on radar, and followed all the way to the North Tower of the World Trade Center complex. We also then have the cell phone calls from the passengers themselves, to bolster this story, do we not? Thus the path of least resistance to the investigator of 911 is to assume that the BTS discrepancies regarding flight 11 & 77 is just a snafu or a glitch. Or perhaps, facing all of the obstacles above, the 911 investigator thinks it less difficult to shift focus into other areas of investigation, of which, thanks to the planners of 911, there is an abundance.

seems like there a bunch with "unknown"... anyone can make a mystery out of anything when we don't know the circumstances of the "unknown"... and no, i do not think the government killed them... but there are a million things people could say about these things, like they killed everyone in flight with gas or something, and remotely flew the planes into the buildings, but that would be stupid because the is no evidence supporting that. without evidence, nothing anyone says means anything...

You could dream up anything using your imagination. I prefer to stick to real evidence.

As of yet, they do not have any real evidence that ANYONE BOARDED ANY OF THOSE FLIGHTS.

No videos, no credible (real) passenger manifests... etc.

I don't know what happened to those people. Maybe they are all in the witness protection program for all I know. But I do know that the official account of 9-11 is full of holes and full of questions that have not been answered.


And you don't have to be a scientist to see that.

as with anything... there are a lot of CT's about the Aurora batman shooting as well...

And a lot of facts that suggest strongly some kind of conspiracy or false flag.