Topic: The Charade of Israeli-Palestinian Talks
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Fri 08/17/12 10:06 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 08/17/12 10:07 AM
Truth is likely to be dismissed by those poisoned by Jew hatred.
Oh well - at least those who are truly open-minded about the
Israeli-Arab conflict will watch it and come away with the true
nature of the issue confronting Israel and the world today.



This remark shows bias, not an open mind.

Your biased information is dismissed by me because I have learned not to trust the Cabal controlled media or anyone who is obviously a biased Zionism supporter. It has nothing to do with "Jew hatred." I couldn't tell a Jew from anyone else on the street, as they come in all ethnic races etc.

What I appose are corrupt government officials who cave in to threats and bribes and sell their own people down the river.

What I appose are governments and banks who steal from and tax the people until they can't even hang on to there homes or put food on the table.

What I appose are corrupt companies who sell stocks and contracts for products (gold and silver etc.) that don't exist and then go bankrupt and legally screw everyone out of their invested money.

Most people have no idea how much they are being screwed by the people they defend.

Have a protfolio? Its worth the paper it's written on in the end.



s1owhand's photo
Fri 08/17/12 10:13 AM

Truth is likely to be dismissed by those poisoned by Jew hatred.
Oh well - at least those who are truly open-minded about the
Israeli-Arab conflict will watch it and come away with the true
nature of the issue confronting Israel and the world today.



This remark shows bias, not an open mind.

Your biased information is dismissed by me because I have learned not to trust the Cabal controlled media or anyone who is obviously a biased Zionism supporter. It has nothing to do with "Jew hatred." I couldn't tell a Jew from anyone else on the street, as they come in all ethnic races etc.

What I appose are corrupt government officials who cave in to threats and bribes and sell their own people down the river.

What I appose are governments and banks who steal from and tax the people until they can't even hang on to there homes or put food on the table.

What I appose are corrupt companies who sell stocks and contracts for products (gold and silver etc.) that don't exist and then go bankrupt and legally screw everyone out of their invested money.

Most people have no idea how much they are being screwed by the people they defend.

Have a protfolio? Its worth the paper it's written on in the end.


If you read the rest of my post and watch the video it will be
clearer:

Prager, in this short video makes a simple and compelling statement
of the real problem in the Middle East.

http://youtu.be/63hTOaRu7h4

Truth is likely to be dismissed by those poisoned by Jew hatred.
Oh well - at least those who are truly open-minded about the
Israeli-Arab conflict will watch it and come away with the true
nature of the issue confronting Israel and the world today.

The talks are a charade for one reason only. There is no real intent
of the Palestinian Arabs to accept the Jewish state of Israel on a
permanent basis and until there is mutual acceptance the talks about
it are just a Palestinian Arab farce.

The evidence of this is everywhere but most obvious in Gaza.
In Gaza, Israel gave the Palestinians the entire region to govern
and live completely as they wish as long as they don't attack
Israel and don't import arms they can do whatever they want there.

What happened in Gaza? The place was taken over in a convulsion of
radical Islamic violence and is now ruled by vicious dictators of
Hamas who immediately torture and kill any peaceful opponents.
Rather than accept Israel and build for peaceful coexistence, Hamas
continues to laud and try to launch terrorist attack on innocent people and
kill their own people.

The actions of Hamas and their ilk show beyond the shadow of a doubt
why the Palestinian Arab-Israeli talks have been a charade. Even
when the Palestinians are given complete autonomy all they do is
continue to futilely attack Israel out of irrational hatred. If they
wanted peace all they would have to do is stop the hatred and terrorism.

Someday the talks may no longer be a charade and we will know
because the Palestinian Arabs will have accepted fully the Jewish
state of Israel living next door and will be advocating to their
children that what is needed is religious tolerance and acceptance
rather than antisemitism.

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Fri 08/17/12 10:29 AM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Fri 08/17/12 10:30 AM
Prager University, a semester in 5 minutes!...Go Dennis....!! ...drinker

Great vid!!

MOTTO OF HAMAS: "We love death as much as the Jews love life"....


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Fri 08/17/12 10:30 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 08/17/12 10:33 AM
Since no one can even agree on what a "Jew" is, why should they have a state?

On the one hand some say that the term "Jewish" represents a people. Really? I don't think so. There are Jews of all races and they only have their religion in common.

In Israel, if you don't have the proper bloodline and a Jewish mother you are often not even considered Jewish and cannot be a full citizen even if you have practiced the Jewish religion all your life.

ON the other hand some say that "Jewish" represents a religion. Really? Then why are there so many atheist who claim to be Jews?

What Israel wants (prefers) is a state full of White Ashkenazi Jews. They are very race conscious.




metalwing's photo
Fri 08/17/12 12:27 PM
The Arabs are taught from birth to hate Jews. As long and this mindset is ingrained at this level, nothing will ever change.

mightymoe's photo
Fri 08/17/12 12:35 PM

The Arabs are taught from birth to hate Jews. As long and this mindset is ingrained at this level, nothing will ever change.



all anyone has to do is ask any middle-easterner this and they will find out... but that would be to easy, and then they would not have a reason to hate the jews anymore...

s1owhand's photo
Fri 08/17/12 03:09 PM

Since no one can even agree on what a "Jew" is, why should they have a state?

On the one hand some say that the term "Jewish" represents a people. Really? I don't think so. There are Jews of all races and they only have their religion in common.

In Israel, if you don't have the proper bloodline and a Jewish mother you are often not even considered Jewish and cannot be a full citizen even if you have practiced the Jewish religion all your life.

ON the other hand some say that "Jewish" represents a religion. Really? Then why are there so many atheist who claim to be Jews?

What Israel wants (prefers) is a state full of White Ashkenazi Jews. They are very race conscious.


Nah. Israel is very racially diverse and they are great with that.
Everybody knows the meaning of Jewish it is just as simple as the
meaning of Christian.

The Jews in Israel have a wide spectrum of religious observance
just as there is a wide spectrum of Christian observance. Some
people go to church every week. Others once in a while. Others
just observe in their own way.

whoa

Bestinshow's photo
Fri 08/17/12 04:40 PM

Truth is likely to be dismissed by those poisoned by Jew hatred.
Oh well - at least those who are truly open-minded about the
Israeli-Arab conflict will watch it and come away with the true
nature of the issue confronting Israel and the world today.



This remark shows bias, not an open mind.

Your biased information is dismissed by me because I have learned not to trust the Cabal controlled media or anyone who is obviously a biased Zionism supporter. It has nothing to do with "Jew hatred." I couldn't tell a Jew from anyone else on the street, as they come in all ethnic races etc.

What I appose are corrupt government officials who cave in to threats and bribes and sell their own people down the river.

What I appose are governments and banks who steal from and tax the people until they can't even hang on to there homes or put food on the table.

What I appose are corrupt companies who sell stocks and contracts for products (gold and silver etc.) that don't exist and then go bankrupt and legally screw everyone out of their invested money.

Most people have no idea how much they are being screwed by the people they defend.

Have a protfolio? Its worth the paper it's written on in the end.



Very few people are looking for a greater understanding and just spew the party dogma and propaganda.

no photo
Fri 08/17/12 10:41 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 08/17/12 10:45 PM


Since no one can even agree on what a "Jew" is, why should they have a state?

On the one hand some say that the term "Jewish" represents a people. Really? I don't think so. There are Jews of all races and they only have their religion in common.

In Israel, if you don't have the proper bloodline and a Jewish mother you are often not even considered Jewish and cannot be a full citizen even if you have practiced the Jewish religion all your life.

ON the other hand some say that "Jewish" represents a religion. Really? Then why are there so many atheist who claim to be Jews?

What Israel wants (prefers) is a state full of White Ashkenazi Jews. They are very race conscious.


Nah. Israel is very racially diverse and they are great with that.
Everybody knows the meaning of Jewish it is just as simple as the
meaning of Christian.

The Jews in Israel have a wide spectrum of religious observance
just as there is a wide spectrum of Christian observance. Some
people go to church every week. Others once in a while. Others
just observe in their own way.

whoa


Israel may well be "racially diverse" but only by necessity. I said that they would "prefer" the country be filled with white Ashkenazi Jews. However, they will take what ever they can get. They are desperate to have more Jews in order to justify a Jewish state. But they are definitely very class and ethnic conscious. (prejudice) against the darker skinned and even the more fundamentally religious Jews.

They have first and second and even third class citizens. Christian Jews (Jews for Jesus) and Christians say they are really treated pourly, even by government officials.

No matter how many laws about equality or laws against discrimination are passed you can't end discrimination or hatred by passing laws.

Only love will do that.


HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 08/17/12 10:57 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Fri 08/17/12 10:57 PM

How do you know that the "terrorist" attacks against Israel are perpentrated by Palestinians? It has been discovered time and time again that the Cabal (Mossad and the CIA goons) with their black operations will infiltrate and/or hire free lance "terrorists" stir up trouble within countries and then the media, which is totally controled will report that Hamas or some other group (Al-Qaeda) had done this.

A perfect example of this is the "dancing" Isralis who were arrested and dressed like Arabs and then were discovered to be Mossad agents and (not surprisingly) set free.

Isralie Mossad have also been caught red handed in Old Mexico planting a bomb in a government building. This appeared in a Mexican newpaper but then the information was quickly squashed and you did not see it in any Major Media here.

The Mossad agents were returned to Israel... after a large sum of money exchanged hands.


Therefore, I don't and can't trust any of your sources.




rofl I've saved this for my friends! Thanks!rofl

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Fri 08/17/12 11:13 PM


How do you know that the "terrorist" attacks against Israel are perpentrated by Palestinians? It has been discovered time and time again that the Cabal (Mossad and the CIA goons) with their black operations will infiltrate and/or hire free lance "terrorists" stir up trouble within countries and then the media, which is totally controled will report that Hamas or some other group (Al-Qaeda) had done this.

A perfect example of this is the "dancing" Isralis who were arrested and dressed like Arabs and then were discovered to be Mossad agents and (not surprisingly) set free.

Isralie Mossad have also been caught red handed in Old Mexico planting a bomb in a government building. This appeared in a Mexican newpaper but then the information was quickly squashed and you did not see it in any Major Media here.

The Mossad agents were returned to Israel... after a large sum of money exchanged hands.


Therefore, I don't and can't trust any of your sources.




rofl I've saved this for my friends! Thanks!rofl


I am miffed that you would post rolling heads and make such a strange remark.

I asked the question:
How do you know...............?

Anyone can put on black hoods and terrorize someone and everyone knows what the CIA and Mossad are capable of –-and we do know what they have done in the past and how they are involved in the drug and gun trade etc. We are also aware of horrendous lies that have been told by our governments. Israel and America (and Britain) are very well known for breaking treaties and promises.

They appear to have very little morals or ethics.


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Fri 08/17/12 11:16 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 08/17/12 11:18 PM
But then, I also asked if you (or anyone) had any evidence or proof that 16 (or any number) of highjackers boarded those planes on 9-11 and flew them into the twin towers.

There simply is no substantial proof they (or anyone) even boarded those planes, and no proof at all that Osama Bin Laden has anything whatsoever to do with it.

And yet somehow the media and the government managed to convince a large population that this is an established fact.

I find that astonishing.

and what was your reply?

You asked me to prove that it was NOT true.

It's not true.

Prove that it is first. It has never been proven.

One does not accept, as fact, something just because it is told over the media by an authority of the government.

Prove it.



HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 08/17/12 11:24 PM

But then, I also asked if you (or anyone) had any evidence or proof that 16 (or any number) of highjackers boarded those planes on 9-11 and flew them into the twin towers.

There simply is no substantial proof they (or anyone) even boarded those planes, and no proof at all that Osama Bin Laden has anything whatsoever to do with it.

And yet somehow the media and the government managed to convince a large population that this is an established fact.

I find that astonishing.

and what was your reply?

You asked me to prove that it was NOT true.

It's not true.

Prove that it is first. It has never been proven.

One does not accept, as fact, something just because it is told over the media by an authority of the government.

Prove it.





Well, I'm not the one positing outrageous and risible theories. Furthermore, the burden of proof lies with those individuals who do, and they've never 'proved' anything to the satisfaction of those capable of critical thinking.

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Fri 08/17/12 11:44 PM


But then, I also asked if you (or anyone) had any evidence or proof that 16 (or any number) of highjackers boarded those planes on 9-11 and flew them into the twin towers.

There simply is no substantial proof they (or anyone) even boarded those planes, and no proof at all that Osama Bin Laden has anything whatsoever to do with it.

And yet somehow the media and the government managed to convince a large population that this is an established fact.

I find that astonishing.

and what was your reply?

You asked me to prove that it was NOT true.

It's not true.

Prove that it is first. It has never been proven.

One does not accept, as fact, something just because it is told over the media by an authority of the government.

Prove it.





Well, I'm not the one positing outrageous and risible theories. Furthermore, the burden of proof lies with those individuals who do, and they've never 'proved' anything to the satisfaction of those capable of critical thinking.



There is no need to prove something is "NOT TRUE" when there has never been any evidence or proof that it is.




s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/18/12 12:04 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Sat 08/18/12 12:05 AM



How do you know that the "terrorist" attacks against Israel are perpentrated by Palestinians? It has been discovered time and time again that the Cabal (Mossad and the CIA goons) with their black operations will infiltrate and/or hire free lance "terrorists" stir up trouble within countries and then the media, which is totally controled will report that Hamas or some other group (Al-Qaeda) had done this.

A perfect example of this is the "dancing" Isralis who were arrested and dressed like Arabs and then were discovered to be Mossad agents and (not surprisingly) set free.

Isralie Mossad have also been caught red handed in Old Mexico planting a bomb in a government building. This appeared in a Mexican newpaper but then the information was quickly squashed and you did not see it in any Major Media here.

The Mossad agents were returned to Israel... after a large sum of money exchanged hands.


Therefore, I don't and can't trust any of your sources.




rofl I've saved this for my friends! Thanks!rofl


I am miffed that you would post rolling heads and make such a strange remark.

I asked the question:
How do you know...............?

Anyone can put on black hoods and terrorize someone and everyone knows what the CIA and Mossad are capable of –-and we do know what they have done in the past and how they are involved in the drug and gun trade etc. We are also aware of horrendous lies that have been told by our governments. Israel and America (and Britain) are very well known for breaking treaties and promises.

They appear to have very little morals or ethics.




laugh

How do we know?

All the available evidence, eyewitnesses, confessions, the
Palestinians joyfully celebrating these murders publicly, video,
DNA evidence, body parts...well absolutely every type of evidence
known to humankind shows direct and indisputable responsibility
of the Palestinians in these attacks. Plus they gladly take credit
for the attacks!

:banana:

But don't let such "smoke screens" dissuade you from seeking the
real truth and beware the Mossad and CIA mind control techniques
which are powerful and can only be countered by these tInFoIl HaTz
here (at least six layers).


HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sat 08/18/12 01:22 AM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Sat 08/18/12 01:51 AM



But then, I also asked if you (or anyone) had any evidence or proof that 16 (or any number) of highjackers boarded those planes on 9-11 and flew them into the twin towers.

There simply is no substantial proof they (or anyone) even boarded those planes, and no proof at all that Osama Bin Laden has anything whatsoever to do with it.

And yet somehow the media and the government managed to convince a large population that this is an established fact.

I find that astonishing.

and what was your reply?

You asked me to prove that it was NOT true.

It's not true.

Prove that it is first. It has never been proven.

One does not accept, as fact, something just because it is told over the media by an authority of the government.

Prove it.





Well, I'm not the one positing outrageous and risible theories. Furthermore, the burden of proof lies with those individuals who do, and they've never 'proved' anything to the satisfaction of those capable of critical thinking.



There is no need to prove something is "NOT TRUE" when there has never been any evidence or proof that it is.






Mere sophist rhetoric. The burden of proof still stands and if one posits a theory about an event, it requires proof, and as I stated above, 'they've never 'proved' anything to those capable of critical thinking.' If someone tells me a spaceship attacked the WTC (hypothetically), I want proof, or I back away and hope that individual has taken the prescribed medication.

no photo
Sat 08/18/12 07:10 AM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Sat 08/18/12 07:10 AM

Like I said Mr Chomsky's honest and accurate observations drive the propagandists mad. laugh


Noam Chomsky (born December 7, 1928) is an American linguist who was a pioneer in generative grammar. Later he became an extreme left-wing propagandist and genocide denier. He advocates holding America to an absolute standard of ethics in foreign relations, but has not held such a standard elsewhere. He tends to ignore such violations by other countries, even when they have been far worse. Fellow liberal academic, Arthur Schlesinger, once referred to Chomsky as "an intellectual crook."
He is an institute professor & professor of linguistics (Emeritus) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) . Chomsky is very critical of American and Israeli foreign policy, sympathizes with Palestinians and has shown support for the terrorist organization Hezbollah. He has also been criticized for anti-Semitism, despite having come from a Jewish family and having once spoken and written Hebrew.

Anti-Semitism
Chomsky has been accused of anti-Semitism. In addition to his support for Hezbollah, He has stated that Jews are "the most privileged and influential part of the population", and that "Anti-Semitism is no longer a problem. It's raised, but it's raised because privileged people want to make sure they have total control, not just 98% control".
Chomsky has supported controversial author Norman Finkelstein, author of The Holocaust Industry, who has argued that claims of anti-Semitism are used to silence critics of Israel and that the Holocaust is exploited by some Jewish institutions for their own gain. Noam Chomsky has also supported the right of Holocaust deniers, among them the notorious Robert Faurisson, to express their views. Chomsky has claimed he sees this as a free-speech issue and does not himself support Holocaust deniers.

Chomsky's Criticisms of the West

Chomsky is one of the most vocal critics of the United States foreign policy. Some of his criticisms are:
1. The overthrow of democratic and secular leader Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran and replacement with the Shah, a brutal dictator in 1953 (Done by the US and the UK)
2. The overthrow of social democrat Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954
3. The overthrow of democratic socialist Salvador Allende in Chile on 9/11 in 1973
4. The Dirty War against the Sandinista government in Nicaragua in the 1980s
5. The backing of a brutal military dictatorship in El Salvador during the same time period
6. Selling weapons to a terror-state (Iran) to fund another terrorist group (The Contras).
7. Supporting Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war.
8. Supporting the mujahideen which later became al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
9. Invading Iraq in 2003 despite lack of support from the UN
10. Blatant Support of Israel which Chomsky believes is a terror state despite his Jewish ethnicity

http://www.conservapedia.com/Noam_Chomsky





no photo
Sat 08/18/12 07:48 AM




But then, I also asked if you (or anyone) had any evidence or proof that 16 (or any number) of highjackers boarded those planes on 9-11 and flew them into the twin towers.

There simply is no substantial proof they (or anyone) even boarded those planes, and no proof at all that Osama Bin Laden has anything whatsoever to do with it.

And yet somehow the media and the government managed to convince a large population that this is an established fact.

I find that astonishing.

and what was your reply?

You asked me to prove that it was NOT true.

It's not true.

Prove that it is first. It has never been proven.

One does not accept, as fact, something just because it is told over the media by an authority of the government.

Prove it.





Well, I'm not the one positing outrageous and risible theories. Furthermore, the burden of proof lies with those individuals who do, and they've never 'proved' anything to the satisfaction of those capable of critical thinking.



There is no need to prove something is "NOT TRUE" when there has never been any evidence or proof that it is.






Mere sophist rhetoric. The burden of proof still stands and if one posits a theory about an event, it requires proof, and as I stated above, 'they've never 'proved' anything to those capable of critical thinking.' If someone tells me a spaceship attacked the WTC (hypothetically), I want proof, or I back away and hope that individual has taken the prescribed medication.


You are absolutely right. The burden of prood still stands and it rests on any theory about an event. The official government theory is the only one I am concerned with. There is no proof. They have no proof that ANYONE at all boarded those planes. They do not have an authentic passenger list, and any passenger list they claim to have did not follow the standard rules of evidence. Also, the list of names kept changing.

They do not have any videos or pictures of anyone AT ALL even passengers, boarding those planes.

They have no proof at all for their theory. Therefore, it cannot be believed.

I do not need proof of my "theory" because I don't have a theory. The 9=11 commission and the official government reports are the ones with the theory. Where is their proof???

They have NONE!!

Why do you keep insisting that the burden of proof is on me?


no photo
Sat 08/18/12 07:52 AM




How do you know that the "terrorist" attacks against Israel are perpentrated by Palestinians? It has been discovered time and time again that the Cabal (Mossad and the CIA goons) with their black operations will infiltrate and/or hire free lance "terrorists" stir up trouble within countries and then the media, which is totally controled will report that Hamas or some other group (Al-Qaeda) had done this.

A perfect example of this is the "dancing" Isralis who were arrested and dressed like Arabs and then were discovered to be Mossad agents and (not surprisingly) set free.

Isralie Mossad have also been caught red handed in Old Mexico planting a bomb in a government building. This appeared in a Mexican newpaper but then the information was quickly squashed and you did not see it in any Major Media here.

The Mossad agents were returned to Israel... after a large sum of money exchanged hands.


Therefore, I don't and can't trust any of your sources.




rofl I've saved this for my friends! Thanks!rofl


I am miffed that you would post rolling heads and make such a strange remark.

I asked the question:
How do you know...............?

Anyone can put on black hoods and terrorize someone and everyone knows what the CIA and Mossad are capable of –-and we do know what they have done in the past and how they are involved in the drug and gun trade etc. We are also aware of horrendous lies that have been told by our governments. Israel and America (and Britain) are very well known for breaking treaties and promises.

They appear to have very little morals or ethics.




laugh

How do we know?

All the available evidence, eyewitnesses, confessions, the
Palestinians joyfully celebrating these murders publicly, video,
DNA evidence, body parts...well absolutely every type of evidence
known to humankind shows direct and indisputable responsibility
of the Palestinians in these attacks. Plus they gladly take credit
for the attacks!

:banana:

But don't let such "smoke screens" dissuade you from seeking the
real truth and beware the Mossad and CIA mind control techniques
which are powerful and can only be countered by these tInFoIl HaTz
here (at least six layers).





You don't KNOW. You only believe appearances. Appearances can be manipulated easily... VERY EASILY.

s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/18/12 11:11 AM





How do you know that the "terrorist" attacks against Israel are perpentrated by Palestinians? It has been discovered time and time again that the Cabal (Mossad and the CIA goons) with their black operations will infiltrate and/or hire free lance "terrorists" stir up trouble within countries and then the media, which is totally controled will report that Hamas or some other group (Al-Qaeda) had done this.

A perfect example of this is the "dancing" Isralis who were arrested and dressed like Arabs and then were discovered to be Mossad agents and (not surprisingly) set free.

Isralie Mossad have also been caught red handed in Old Mexico planting a bomb in a government building. This appeared in a Mexican newpaper but then the information was quickly squashed and you did not see it in any Major Media here.

The Mossad agents were returned to Israel... after a large sum of money exchanged hands.


Therefore, I don't and can't trust any of your sources.




rofl I've saved this for my friends! Thanks!rofl


I am miffed that you would post rolling heads and make such a strange remark.

I asked the question:
How do you know...............?

Anyone can put on black hoods and terrorize someone and everyone knows what the CIA and Mossad are capable of –-and we do know what they have done in the past and how they are involved in the drug and gun trade etc. We are also aware of horrendous lies that have been told by our governments. Israel and America (and Britain) are very well known for breaking treaties and promises.

They appear to have very little morals or ethics.




laugh

How do we know?

All the available evidence, eyewitnesses, confessions, the
Palestinians joyfully celebrating these murders publicly, video,
DNA evidence, body parts...well absolutely every type of evidence
known to humankind shows direct and indisputable responsibility
of the Palestinians in these attacks. Plus they gladly take credit
for the attacks!

:banana:

But don't let such "smoke screens" dissuade you from seeking the
real truth and beware the Mossad and CIA mind control techniques
which are powerful and can only be countered by these tInFoIl HaTz
here (at least six layers).





You don't KNOW. You only believe appearances. Appearances can be manipulated easily... VERY EASILY.


{laugh: laugh laugh laugh
rofl