Topic: The Charade of Israeli-Palestinian Talks
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Tue 08/21/12 02:48 PM
But people are wary now, and people don't trust their government or their media any more.


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Tue 08/21/12 04:10 PM





There is no valid evidence that 16 hijackers EVER boarded any of those planes. That is a fact. There are no videos, there are no proper passenger lists. There is no evidence. Simple as that. What is wrong with you people? Seriously!

They made the claims. They have no valid proof or evidence for THEIR CLAIMS.

SIMPLE FACT.

The FBI admitted that DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE to connect Osama Bin Laden to the 9-11 attack. They admitted that.

This concept is so very glaringly simple if blows my mind that you people just accept the word of your political establishment for no valid reason.

Can't you wrap your head around the fact that your government lies to you?

Is that so hard for you to grasp that you live in some fantasy world?

slaphead


19 hijackers.


what ever.... laugh laugh laugh

They can't prove that ANYONE AT ALL BOARDED THOSE PLANES. Including the passengers that were killed. There are no valid credible passenger lists, and no videos of any of the planes being boarded.

This is just a tiny simple sliver of fact that people can't comprehend. Forget about any other wild "theories."

They could not prove the official story if their lives depended on it.


Joyous celebrations by the hijackers, proud celebrations of
a victorious and triumphant operation by al-Qaeda, video of the
hijackers and victims in the airport terminals on the way to
their planes, phone calls from in flight, cockpit transmissions
and recordings, live video of the planes hitting the buildings,
and several thousand grieving victms families later and how exactly
do you deny that there there is any proof that "ANYONE AT ALL
BOARDED THOSE PLANES. Including the passengers that were killed?"

laugh laugh laugh laugh
rofl

And of course there certainly are valid passenger lists.

laugh laugh laugh laugh
rofl

drinker :banana:

laugh

It's completely irrational.



Joyous celebrations by the hijackers?

I thought they all (supposedly) died in the attack as martyrs.

"proud celebrations of a victorious and triumphant operation by al-Qaeda?"


Really? Where? The only celebration I ever saw what the five celebrating Israeli's who turned out to be MOSSAD AGENTS.

Besides, I bet there are millions of people in the world who hate America who would "celebrate" an attack upon us. As much as they might piss you off, it is not evidence.

video of the hijackers and victims in the airport terminals on the way to their planes,


.... does not exist.

phone calls from in flight, cockpit transmissions and recordings,


Can't stand up in court as valid evidence, and are probably faked.


live video of the planes hitting the buildings,


The planes in those videos cannot be positively identified as the high jacked flights. Some videos even also show some kind of missile coming from a plane and hitting the tower before the plane hits it.

That Evidence is not credible.

and several thousand grieving victims families later and how exactly
do you deny that there there is any proof that "ANYONE AT ALL
BOARDED THOSE PLANES. Including the passengers that were killed?"


Just because those people have been reported dead or just because they have disappeared, does not mean they were killed in those hijacked planes. There is no proof that they ever boarded those planes.

Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes?

Answer:
No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist.

more, next post


Where do you think the people who died in the airplanes went?
Same place as those killed in the collapsing towers?

Do you think they never boarded the planes regardless of the
airlines records and phone calls from the planes and recordings
of the terrorists?

laugh

whoa

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Tue 08/21/12 04:16 PM



You could dream up anything using your imagination. I prefer to stick to real evidence.

As of yet, they do not have any real evidence that ANYONE BOARDED ANY OF THOSE FLIGHTS.

No videos, no credible (real) passenger manifests... etc.

I don't know what happened to those people. Maybe they are all in the witness protection program for all I know. But I do know that the official account of 9-11 is full of holes and full of questions that have not been answered.


And you don't have to be a scientist to see that.


as with anything... there are a lot of CT's about the Aurora batman shooting as well...


And a lot of facts that suggest strongly some kind of conspiracy or false flag.



no, only CT's at this point

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Tue 08/21/12 05:46 PM




You could dream up anything using your imagination. I prefer to stick to real evidence.

As of yet, they do not have any real evidence that ANYONE BOARDED ANY OF THOSE FLIGHTS.

No videos, no credible (real) passenger manifests... etc.

I don't know what happened to those people. Maybe they are all in the witness protection program for all I know. But I do know that the official account of 9-11 is full of holes and full of questions that have not been answered.


And you don't have to be a scientist to see that.


as with anything... there are a lot of CT's about the Aurora batman shooting as well...


And a lot of facts that suggest strongly some kind of conspiracy or false flag.



no, only CT's at this point



Yep, and the same old debunked crap over and over again.

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Tue 08/21/12 06:22 PM






There is no valid evidence that 16 hijackers EVER boarded any of those planes. That is a fact. There are no videos, there are no proper passenger lists. There is no evidence. Simple as that. What is wrong with you people? Seriously!

They made the claims. They have no valid proof or evidence for THEIR CLAIMS.

SIMPLE FACT.

The FBI admitted that DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE to connect Osama Bin Laden to the 9-11 attack. They admitted that.

This concept is so very glaringly simple if blows my mind that you people just accept the word of your political establishment for no valid reason.

Can't you wrap your head around the fact that your government lies to you?

Is that so hard for you to grasp that you live in some fantasy world?

slaphead


19 hijackers.


what ever.... laugh laugh laugh

They can't prove that ANYONE AT ALL BOARDED THOSE PLANES. Including the passengers that were killed. There are no valid credible passenger lists, and no videos of any of the planes being boarded.

This is just a tiny simple sliver of fact that people can't comprehend. Forget about any other wild "theories."

They could not prove the official story if their lives depended on it.


Joyous celebrations by the hijackers, proud celebrations of
a victorious and triumphant operation by al-Qaeda, video of the
hijackers and victims in the airport terminals on the way to
their planes, phone calls from in flight, cockpit transmissions
and recordings, live video of the planes hitting the buildings,
and several thousand grieving victms families later and how exactly
do you deny that there there is any proof that "ANYONE AT ALL
BOARDED THOSE PLANES. Including the passengers that were killed?"

laugh laugh laugh laugh
rofl

And of course there certainly are valid passenger lists.

laugh laugh laugh laugh
rofl

drinker :banana:

laugh

It's completely irrational.



Joyous celebrations by the hijackers?

I thought they all (supposedly) died in the attack as martyrs.

"proud celebrations of a victorious and triumphant operation by al-Qaeda?"


Really? Where? The only celebration I ever saw what the five celebrating Israeli's who turned out to be MOSSAD AGENTS.

Besides, I bet there are millions of people in the world who hate America who would "celebrate" an attack upon us. As much as they might piss you off, it is not evidence.

video of the hijackers and victims in the airport terminals on the way to their planes,


.... does not exist.

phone calls from in flight, cockpit transmissions and recordings,


Can't stand up in court as valid evidence, and are probably faked.


live video of the planes hitting the buildings,


The planes in those videos cannot be positively identified as the high jacked flights. Some videos even also show some kind of missile coming from a plane and hitting the tower before the plane hits it.

That Evidence is not credible.

and several thousand grieving victims families later and how exactly
do you deny that there there is any proof that "ANYONE AT ALL
BOARDED THOSE PLANES. Including the passengers that were killed?"


Just because those people have been reported dead or just because they have disappeared, does not mean they were killed in those hijacked planes. There is no proof that they ever boarded those planes.

Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes?

Answer:
No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist.

more, next post


Where do you think the people who died in the airplanes went?
Same place as those killed in the collapsing towers?

Do you think they never boarded the planes regardless of the
airlines records and phone calls from the planes and recordings
of the terrorists?

laugh

whoa


You ask me "Where do I think......???"

Why on earth would you want to know what I think about where the passengers went?

In your first question, you are already assuming that the alleged passengers on those flights died in the airplanes as you have been told. But you don't know that. You assume that. There is no evidence that they even boarded.



First thing is first.
Where is the credible evidence that they boarded the planes?
Where is the the videos?
Where is the authentic passenger list?

I am saying that THERE IS NO PROOF any of those airplanes were boarded at all.

I don't have any idea where those people went. They could all be dead, they could all be in the witness protection program for all I know.

Below is a screen-shot of the BTS database, Bureau of Traffic Statistics. Oddly it shows that Flight 11, with no wheels off time, or departure time, showing that it never took off on 9/11. This exact same oddity is duplicated regarding the Flight 77, the other American Airlines flight on 9/11 which allegedly took off from Dulles. The BTS database shows that the 2 American airlines planes, flights 11 & 77, as having no wheels off time or departure times. This is actually a key to understanding 9/11 as well as the mystery of the planes & passengers.

One mystery compounds into another creating a chain or sequence of events that become confusion. The largest blunder that 911 investigators have made is to be aware of this BTS discrepancy and then act as though it wasn't there. Nearly everyone who becomes aware of this BTS discrepancy, then go on to assume that these passengers somehow still ended up on flight 11. The passengers did disappear after all, did they not? And we were all told that they boarded and were on flight 11, right? We have Air Traffic controllers as eye witnesses saying that flight 11 was seen on radar, and followed all the way to the North Tower of the World Trade Center complex. We also then have the cell phone calls from the passengers themselves, to bolster this story, do we not? Thus the path of least resistance to the investigator of 911 is to assume that the BTS discrepancies regarding flight 11 & 77 is just a snafu or a glitch. Or perhaps, facing all of the obstacles above, the 911 investigator thinks it less difficult to shift focus into other areas of investigation, of which, thanks to the planners of 911, there is an abundance. Please see the rest of story below the chart below;







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Tue 08/21/12 06:23 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 08/21/12 06:23 PM
Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes?

Answer:
No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist.


Don't assume things that are not in evidence.





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Tue 08/21/12 06:24 PM
Consider the possibility that you have been lied to.

Just consider that possibility.

Then ask for evidence and proof of their claims.


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Tue 08/21/12 06:26 PM
Edited by andrewzooms on Tue 08/21/12 06:32 PM

Consider the possibility that you have been lied to.

Just consider that possibility.

Then ask for evidence and proof of their claims.




Or since we are so crazy, ask the 911 victims family members who do not believe the official story.

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Tue 08/21/12 06:30 PM
BTS database, Bureau of Traffic Statistics-----

Oddly it shows that Flight 11, with no wheels off time, or departure time, showing that it never took off on 9/11. This exact same oddity is duplicated regarding the Flight 77

Now focus on the information above.

1. The BTS shows that Flight 11 never took off that day.
2. The BTS shows that flight 77 never took off that day.

3. There is no authentic credible passenger lists of any of the flights.
4. There are no videos of passengers boarding any of those planes.

5. There are no videos of any hijackers boarding any of those planes.
6. The names of the hijackers are not on any passenger lists, because there are no authentic passenger lists.

7. Some of the names of the alleged people supposedly on the planes changed. One alleged passenger turned out to be alive and well. .... then he and his wife died or disappeared later.


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Tue 08/21/12 06:33 PM
Have you ever seen a magician make an elephant disappear?

Where do you think it went?


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Tue 08/21/12 06:44 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 08/21/12 06:44 PM

Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes?

Answer:
No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist.


Don't assume things that are not in evidence.


And yet, this post does exactly that, blatantly.

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Tue 08/21/12 06:46 PM


Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes?

Answer:
No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist.


Don't assume things that are not in evidence.


And yet, this post does exactly that, blatantly.



No these are facts. And you cannot dispute facts. Facts are facts. tongue2

So if there is any video footage ..... prove it.


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Tue 08/21/12 06:47 PM
A fact is a fact.

:banana: :banana:

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Tue 08/21/12 06:57 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 08/21/12 06:58 PM



Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes?

Answer:
No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist.


Don't assume things that are not in evidence.


And yet, this post does exactly that, blatantly.



No these are facts. And you cannot dispute facts. Facts are facts. tongue2

So if there is any video footage ..... prove it.




No, you missed my point yet again. Christ, do I really want to go through this with you? slaphead

Ok, I'll do it once only.

You said: "The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist."

Then you followed it with: "Don't assume things that are not in evidence."

The first sentence quoted does exactly that. Id est it assumes things that are not in evidence. I won't remind you of the burden of proof, for I realise the futility in even mentioning that.

Until then, your claim that the footage doesn't exist is merely an assumption without any supporting evidence.



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Tue 08/21/12 06:59 PM

A fact is a fact.

:banana: :banana:


Apparently your dancing bananas have been fooled!

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Tue 08/21/12 07:03 PM
your claim that the footage doesn't exist is merely an assumption without any supporting evidence.



It is the same when people say that God does not exist.

I cannot prove something does not exist.

But if a the footage exists, then where is it? Why has it not been plastered all over the media?

There is no evidence that the footage exists or ever existed.

So yes, I am assuming and claiming that it does not exist. If it does exist, the burden of proof is on the person who claims it does exist.

Again, because a person cannot prove or provide evidence that a thing does NOT EXIST.


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Tue 08/21/12 07:04 PM
There is no evidence that the footage exists or ever existed.

Who will dispute my claim?

Who will prove me wrong?

I rest my case.

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Tue 08/21/12 07:08 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 08/21/12 07:09 PM

There is no evidence that the footage exists or ever existed.

Who will dispute my claim?

Who will prove me wrong?

I rest my case.


Take that to the enquiry and see how far you get with such sophist logic. You're so funny! laugh This BS doesn't change the illogical nature of your tendentious position.

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Tue 08/21/12 08:23 PM


There is no evidence that the footage exists or ever existed.

Who will dispute my claim?

Who will prove me wrong?

I rest my case.


Take that to the enquiry and see how far you get with such sophist logic. You're so funny! laugh This BS doesn't change the illogical nature of your tendentious position.


Illogical?

Explain why that is illogical.

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Tue 08/21/12 09:39 PM



There is no evidence that the footage exists or ever existed.

Who will dispute my claim?

Who will prove me wrong?

I rest my case.


Take that to the enquiry and see how far you get with such sophist logic. You're so funny! laugh This BS doesn't change the illogical nature of your tendentious position.


Illogical?

Explain why that is illogical.


Just think about it for a while. My experience has taught me that explaining anything to you is an exercise in futility. You counter everything with puerile sophistry that doesn't even give a cursory nod toward causality, probability, nor any academic discipline. Basically, try to figure it out for yourself.