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"Admixture with local populations, including Khazars and Slavs, may have occurred subsequently during the 1000 year (2nd millennium) history of the European Jews. Based on analysis of Y chromosomal polymorphisms, Hammer estimated that the rate might have been as high as 0.5% per generation or 12.5% cumulatively (a figure derived from Motulsky), although this calculation might have underestimated the influx of European Y chromosomes during the initial formation of European Jewry."
~~Taken from the full report called: "Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry " |
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Are the Jews an invented people? by Eric Rouleau How the Jewish people were invented, from the Bible to Zionism is the provocative title of the most recent book to be published in Israel by Shlomo Sand, a professor at Tel Aviv University (forthcoming in French with Fayard). Sand, one of the “new” historians, attacks what he calls the myth that the Jews are the descendants of the Hebrews, exiled from the kingdom of Judaea. He has attempted to show that the Jews are neither a race nor a nation, but ancient pagans – in the main Berbers from North Africa, Arabs from the south of Arabia, and Turks from the Khazar empire – who converted to Judaism between the fourth and eighth centuries CE. According to Sand, the Palestinians are probably descended from Hebrews who embraced Islam or Christianity. Sand doesn’t challenge Israel’s right to exist or the notion of its sovereignty, but he thinks that sovereignty is undermined by its exclusively ethnic base, which stems from the racism of Zionist ideologues. In other words, Israel shouldn’t be a Jewish state, but a democratic secular one which belongs to all its citizens. Well here is another attack on mingle2 Jews which has nothing at all to do with the thread topic of stopping Iran's nuclear weapons program. I have no clue who mingle2 Jews are and I would not dream of attacking any of them. This post was put there in response to Conrade's remark to me here: Besides,according to you,there ARE NO Jews!
Therefore he is the one who introduced this subject, which is off topic. But I guess there is no real interest in stopping Iran's nuclear weapons development as a topic here. It is more of a general attempt to attack and denigrate Jews and deny their existence or lack of common heritage or the sincerity of their religious beliefs again and again and again. All discussion about "Jews" in this thread has been introduced by people making charges of "anti-semitism" to refer to my link to Rense.com and to a remark that according to me, there are no Jews. As has been demonstrated to you repeatedly, genetic research has shown that Jews from all over the world share common ancestry which is from the middle east - regardless of whether they are Russian Jews or European Jews, American Jews, South American Jews, Asian Jews or Middle Eastern Jews. But instead of accepting the DNA evidence, reference is made here again and again of various antisemitic conspiratorial speculations which have no basis in fact. I have gone into great detail about that subject and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH anything. Jews from all different nations and ethnicities just like Christians or Muslims or Buddhists or Hindus are simply those who follow the religion. Interestingly enough though Jews are a small enough group that their common ancestry can be traced genetically. There are numerous threads here already explaining this...but it seems that it is always ignored in favor of these unjustified and deplorable attacks no matter what the topic is. This thread is NOT about Jews, so why do you continue to talk about Jews? And I don't know why you imagine that you or anyone is being "attacked." If you want to get into the nitty gritty details about the genetic study you keep referring to I can give you a link to the entire full blown report. You probably have not even read it. Even so, it has nothing to do with Israel, or why they think they should have a state simply for Jews. There were a number of posts which deviated from the Iran nuclear arms development issue...and the common theme of those posts was trying to delegitimize Jews, their symbols, their ties to Israel and even the very existence of Jews. 
It was clear from the first page of this thread that this was the agenda of this thread and it was easy to see it coming like the huge pointless pile of Jew-bashing which it is.
Yeeha.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 08/12/12 07:02 PM
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The O.P was about a report about Israel threats towards Iran.
You and Conrad brought up remarks about the existence of Jews, and anti-semitism claims on links I posted. You aren't supposed to drag in your issues from other threads anyway. I simply responded to your remarks. I won't do that any more. I will just post this sign>>>> 
Iran is disturbed by threats emanating from Israel to strike its nuclear sites and takes such threats seriously, a senior Iran expert told The Jerusalem Post. The past few days have been dominated by media headlines on a possible Israeli strike, with several reports claiming that a strike is imminent and could come within weeks. Iran has been busy fortifying its air defenses and moving parts of the uranium enrichment program to underground sites to make them immune to an Israeli strike. Related: • Striking Iran • PM: Iran strike reports aimed at tying Israel’s hands “Iran is making preparations for an attack, though they are not discussing this,” Ephraim Kam, deputy director of Tel Aviv University’s Institute for National Security Studies, told the Post on Sunday. For a while now, Iran has been warning that anyone who strikes their nuclear program will fail in their mission, and that Iran’s reply will be enormously harsh. “It shows a certain nervousness, a desire to deter Israel,” Kam said. “They’re taking an Israeli strike into consideration, and are disturbed by it.” Asked if the ongoing rhetoric regarding a potential Israeli strike could either speed up or slow down Iran’s efforts to move closer to nuclear weapons, Kam said Tehran was showing no indication of freezing its program. “I don’t think they will freeze it. If they would, we’d see a change in their approach. But they’ve been making progress up until now,” Kam said. If anything, the talk of an Iran strike “could make them speed up their efforts, since they fear an attack, and could want to make the program as ready as they can beforehand,” Kam added. Former Mossad chief Shabtai Shavit told Channel Two on Friday that he did not trust American assurances that Washington would stop Iran from going nuclear. Shavit said that Israel could only trust itself when it came to its own fate. Also on Friday, the Yediot Aharonot daily carried a front-cover story saying that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak were seeking to launch a strike against Iran this coming fall. The report claimed that the prime minister and the defense minister were encountering stiff resistance to the idea of ordering the strike now from military and intelligence chiefs. |
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The O.P was about a report about Israel threats towards Iran. You and Conrad brought up remarks about the existence of Jews, and anti-semitism claims on links I posted. You aren't supposed to drag in your issues from other threads anyway. I simply responded to your remarks. I won't do that any more. I will just post this sign>>>>
Re-read the first couple of pages!
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The O.P was about a report about Israel threats towards Iran. You and Conrad brought up remarks about the existence of Jews, and anti-semitism claims on links I posted. You aren't supposed to drag in your issues from other threads anyway. I simply responded to your remarks. I won't do that any more. I will just post this sign>>>>
Re-read the first couple of pages!
I was just responding to your remarks. From now on, keep your off topic remarks to yourself. 
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Sun 08/12/12 07:19 PM
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The O.P was about a report about Israel threats towards Iran. You and Conrad brought up remarks about the existence of Jews, and anti-semitism claims on links I posted. You aren't supposed to drag in your issues from other threads anyway. I simply responded to your remarks. I won't do that any more. I will just post this sign>>>>
Re-read the first couple of pages!
I was just responding to your remarks. From now on, keep your off topic remarks to yourself.
Re-read the posts at the beginning of the thread again.
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't. Because there is always some idiot who will dispute a fact. As there will always be some idiot claiming a possibility is a fact, but that is not the logical flaw I raised. If a fact can be disputed (e.g. scientifically), it is not a fact. |
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't. Because there is always some idiot who will dispute a fact. As there will always be some idiot claiming a possibility is a fact, but that is not the logical flaw I raised. If a fact can be disputed (e.g. scientifically), it is not a fact. As a matter of fact the above post is off topic |
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OK - Here is an attempt to put the thread back on topic and end the thread all on the same post...about the timing of a possible nuclear disarmament of Iran. No one has a crystal ball. No one can predict with any certainty what the US, Iran or Israel will do or when they will do it. Iran might ditch their enrichment and nuclear development activities today and the whole issue would be resolved. No one can predict the future. So claims that Iran is on the verge of throwing in the towel are just as pointless and silly as claims that Iran is on the verge of being attacked by Russia. There is no way to predict any of it reliably. |
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Poor old Iran who have never attacked any country in over 200 years is being threatened By
Israel Usa Saudi Arabia Qatar Turkey Uk Paul Bremer Elizabeth Cheney Eric Edelman William Kristol Danielle Pletka. Problem for all those countries is that Russia and China think differently. |
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Mon 08/13/12 07:26 AM
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Covert operations are all designed to benefit US based multinational corporations that exproptiate the national resources of so called target countries. These operations hurt the indiginous people and eventually Americans themselves.Americas foreign policy toward central America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America is a reflection of their own wickedness towards these people. America like a giant serpant, has decieved the whole world. Many bought the Iraq war hook line and sinker, again they will buy it for the same reasons. American gullibility is classic and old, as they benefit as well. Finally the multinatinal corporations do consist of Jews vested interests that have nothing to do with Iranian weaponary. Cosidering the media in America is the nations most powerfull institution, I highly doubt truth is part of their agenda of war profiteering. In college we studied semantics and gobbledygook...This post is a perfect example of both....Can you be more specific as to which multinational corporations exproptiate (sic) (did you mean EXPROPRIATE) the resources of targeted countries...Also, if you haven't named the targeted countries in an earlier post, would you name them for me? ...And can you explain in detail why the U.S. is targeting them?.....Do you have numbers for war profiteering or is this just something you made up?...I for one would like to know exactly how much America made and break it down according to each war please....TY.. Wow Leigh, you basically want him to educate you. You want names of the corporations, names of the countries, and you want to see their books. You can find this stuff out for yourself if you are really and truly interested and I suggest you do a little research on your own. What you ask for, all of it, is available if you are willing to read some books and follow some leads. Yes, very much so.....But since you see fit to butt in, you could post the information for him if he doesn't know the answers.... If I were being paid to educate everyone on this forum I might spend some time on that, but alas, I have work to do. Some people are so lazy they want to ride on the backs of others. The nouveau riche hey..put beggars on horseback and they will ride to hell
I thought that was confined to the filthy rich class 
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Mon 08/13/12 07:28 AM
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Thank you lovely lady. 
Never mind, your editing and re-wording will suffice as an apology 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 08/13/12 08:38 AM
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't. Because there is always some idiot who will dispute a fact. As there will always be some idiot claiming a possibility is a fact, but that is not the logical flaw I raised. If a fact can be disputed (e.g. scientifically), it is not a fact.
Then, in reality, there are no facts. There are only opinions.
There are only points of view. No facts.
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't. Because there is always some idiot who will dispute a fact. As there will always be some idiot claiming a possibility is a fact, but that is not the logical flaw I raised. If a fact can be disputed (e.g. scientifically), it is not a fact. As a matter of fact the above post is off topic Tell someone who gives a ****. |
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't. Because there is always some idiot who will dispute a fact. As there will always be some idiot claiming a possibility is a fact, but that is not the logical flaw I raised. If a fact can be disputed (e.g. scientifically), it is not a fact. As a matter of fact the above post is off topic Tell someone who gives a ****. Somebody got up from the wrong side of the bed this morning
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't. Because there is always some idiot who will dispute a fact. As there will always be some idiot claiming a possibility is a fact, but that is not the logical flaw I raised. If a fact can be disputed (e.g. scientifically), it is not a fact.
Then, in reality, there are no facts. There are only opinions.
There are only points of view. No facts.
No, that is yet another leap of logic. Btw, we are off topic according to the thread police. |
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't. Because there is always some idiot who will dispute a fact. As there will always be some idiot claiming a possibility is a fact, but that is not the logical flaw I raised. If a fact can be disputed (e.g. scientifically), it is not a fact. As a matter of fact the above post is off topic Tell someone who gives a ****. Somebody got up from the wrong side of the bed this morning
No, I'm fine. It's your opinion that I find worthless. |
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't. Because there is always some idiot who will dispute a fact. As there will always be some idiot claiming a possibility is a fact, but that is not the logical flaw I raised. If a fact can be disputed (e.g. scientifically), it is not a fact. As a matter of fact the above post is off topic Tell someone who gives a ****. Somebody got up from the wrong side of the bed this morning
No, I'm fine. It's your opinion that I find worthless. Not a happy BUNNY...what a shame..never mind the girls will be along later to cheer you up |
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I am locking this topic.
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