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Ladywind7 Joined Sun 04/08/12 Posts: 7833	Sat 07/14/12 02:05 PM Edited by Ladywind7 on Sat 07/14/12 02:07 PM
Are we called to judge amongst ourselves or not? There are differing scriptures that say 'yes' and 'dont do it.' What is a healthy medium? Did Jesus ever judge?

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Sat 07/14/12 02:30 PM
I think this is a great answer Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?" Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them? Christians are often accused of "judging" whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others. In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6). http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html I wasn't able to explain it with my own words but I thought this explained what I was thinking pretty well

Ladywind7 Joined Sun 04/08/12 Posts: 7833	Sat 07/14/12 02:41 PM
Did Jesus ever judge?

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Sat 07/14/12 02:43 PM
I think he judged the way we are supposed to.

Ladywind7 Joined Sun 04/08/12 Posts: 7833	Sat 07/14/12 02:49 PM
Great answers. Thank you

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Sat 07/14/12 02:51 PM
I may not always be right, but I try It's funny that you posted this. I was having a deep discussion about this with my grandmother several days ago.

Ladywind7 Joined Sun 04/08/12 Posts: 7833	Sat 07/14/12 03:28 PM
Iron sharpens iron.

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Sat 07/14/12 03:31 PM
Right or wrong, I try not to judge. It is very hard.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Sat 07/14/12 03:35 PM
to me, judging (in every day life) is slamming the gavel down. I get first impression/opinions, but I would rather get to know someone first and maybe try to understand them. I might judge an action but I don't know a person's heart or mind to condemn anyone.

Ladywind7 Joined Sun 04/08/12 Posts: 7833	Sat 07/14/12 04:01 PM
Same Yellowrose. That is why I cant stand gossip. There is nothing attractive about a person condemning someone else to you. I am learning some 'lines' to say in love to any one who tries this on me. Then I head for my cave lol.

Elihu Joined Sun 06/17/12 Posts: 35	Sun 07/15/12 12:56 AM
Greetings All, A lot of people confuse judging with discerning. When we discern someone's character we can accurately declare where they are coming from yet not have an once of condemnation of them as a person. I may discern the tendency to steal in a particular person and I am not being judgmental about them if I do not trust them around my belongings. I can love them yet not trust them. Jesus could call Herod a fox, the pharisees whitewashed sepulchers and yet He did not judge them. He declared Himself that He had come to save. So when you get clear discernment, watch out for the devil trying to sow the condemning thought into your mind that you are judging. However, if you take your discernment and fail to either pray for the person concerned or end up simply gossiping about them with no intention of being instrumental in restoring such a one, your discernment will turn into a critical and or judgmental spirit. Peace to you in Jesus Name

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 07/15/12 07:33 AM
Are we called to judge amongst ourselves or not? There are differing scriptures that say 'yes' and 'dont do it.' What is a healthy medium? Did Jesus ever judge? I think the most out of context phrase in the bible must be 'judge not lest ye be judged' msny people take it as an instruction NOT to judge but the phrase is not 'judge not.' it is 'judge not lest ye be judged' and it has been edited from Matthew 7:1–2 Μὴ κρίνετε, ἵνα μὴ κριθῆτε· ἐν ᾧ γὰρ κρίματι κρίνετε κριθήσεσθε, καὶ ἐν ᾧ μέτρῳ μετρεῖτε μετρηθήσεται ὑμῖν. “Do not judge, so that you will not be judged, since you will be judged in the same judgment that you make, and you will be measured by the same standard you apply.” ,,the verse warns against HYPOCRISY,, that we will be judged by whatever standard we juge,,,,it is not a warning against having a judgment or (as Elihu distinguishes so eloquently) being 'discerning' another verse that clarifies the need for CONSISTENCY as opposed to HYPOCRISY is Why do you see the splinter in your brother’s eye but do not notice the log in your own eye? … You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother’s eye.” (7:3, 5) here, again, we are not told to just worry about our own eye,,,lol we are just told to take care of our eye FIRST, so we can clearly see to help our brother,,,,

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Sun 07/15/12 07:58 AM
Good post Msharmony.

burgundybry Joined Mon 03/05/07 Posts: 8084	Sun 07/15/12 10:48 AM
Iron sharpens iron. Wow! This was mentioned at the service I attended this morning. Thinkin' there's a message there for me today

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 07/15/12 11:48 AM
Did Jesus ever judge? Jesus judged, because he is the judge. All judgement lays in his hands and is why we are not suppose to judge, it is not our place. Our judgement is not righteous as his.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 07/15/12 11:52 AM
I think this is a great answer Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?" Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them? Christians are often accused of "judging" whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others. In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6). http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html I wasn't able to explain it with my own words but I thought this explained what I was thinking pretty well Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them? These two examples mean nothing to one another, they have nothing to do with one another. Jesus told us not to judge others, not to condemn them. An example of what he is meaning here would be looking at the old covenant. It was an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. We were judged by our peers for the sins we commit(ed). Thus Jesus fulfilled that covenant and in the new covenant he gave to us does not have us doing as such. All judgement has been laid in the hands of Jesus. John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son So again, that is why we are no longer to judge anyone.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 07/15/12 11:55 AM
Are we called to judge amongst ourselves or not? There are differing scriptures that say 'yes' and 'dont do it.' What is a healthy medium? Did Jesus ever judge? I think the most out of context phrase in the bible must be 'judge not lest ye be judged' msny people take it as an instruction NOT to judge but the phrase is not 'judge not.' it is 'judge not lest ye be judged' and it has been edited from Matthew 7:1–2 Μὴ κρίνετε, ἵνα μὴ κριθῆτε· ἐν ᾧ γὰρ κρίματι κρίνετε κριθήσεσθε, καὶ ἐν ᾧ μέτρῳ μετρεῖτε μετρηθήσεται ὑμῖν. “Do not judge, so that you will not be judged, since you will be judged in the same judgment that you make, and you will be measured by the same standard you apply.” ,,the verse warns against HYPOCRISY,, that we will be judged by whatever standard we juge,,,,it is not a warning against having a judgment or (as Elihu distinguishes so eloquently) being 'discerning' another verse that clarifies the need for CONSISTENCY as opposed to HYPOCRISY is Why do you see the splinter in your brother’s eye but do not notice the log in your own eye? … You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother’s eye.” (7:3, 5) here, again, we are not told to just worry about our own eye,,,lol we are just told to take care of our eye FIRST, so we can clearly see to help our brother,,,, Very good post, people always quote the verse judge not less ye be judged. But no one ever thinks of the next verse. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. You judge someone to be not a child of God, no good, "evil" so to speak, or anything. Guess what the brings upon you for a judgement.

Ladywind7 Joined Sun 04/08/12 Posts: 7833	Sun 07/15/12 01:27 PM
Really good answers all.

lovinguy10 Joined Tue 07/17/12 Posts: 1	Tue 07/17/12 11:31 AM
i think we should judge the action rather than the person. Y only judge but also condemn the wrong action but not the person. its important to differentiate the wrong doer and wrong deeds.

Ladywind7 Joined Sun 04/08/12 Posts: 7833	Tue 07/17/12 02:29 PM
Actions have consequences. We teach our children this truth. The action is frowned upon. If the child is teachable, they are lovingly but firmly taught a better way. Never in a condemning way, ever. At times you have to dig deeper to expose the cause.