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Topic: Liberal vs Conservative
Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Tue 07/10/12 03:55 PM
Some people are always trying to make issues into liberal vs conservative. Why is it always one or the other? Why do you think people do this? Though the parties are becoming more blended the philosophy remains the same....Here is a perfect example... Liberal vs Conservative Philosophy By Bob McNeil · April 15, 2009 · Filed in American Citizen Party I read this in the “comments” section of a news article and found it to be very insightful. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Father/Daughter Talk: A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked, ‘How is your friend Audrey doing?’ She replied, ‘Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.’ Her wise father asked his daughter, ‘Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.’ The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, ‘That’s a crazy idea, and how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!’ The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, ‘Welcome to conservatism’. very nice a little off,, there is no numerical or physical limit to what percentage of students can 'earn' a 4.0 unlike that thing called employment and income,,, i think your assuming everyone that is on unemployment just cannot get a job... that is not true, there are millions of people milking it for everything they can get from it. UI is not a bad thing, but when people are abusing the system and not taking jobs that don't pay as well, thats when conservatives get upset. there is no reason to be on UI for years at a time, leaching off of others working... You know what kills me Mo?...These bleeding hearts are so quick to jump the conservatives, blame them for everything...Why aren't those who are on welfare for "LEGIT" reasons pizzed at the azzholes who are milking the system, sucking it dry...Why aren't they quoting those stats and screaming bloody murder...Those are the people they should fear, not the conservatives.....

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 07/10/12 04:32 PM
i think your assuming everyone that is on unemployment just cannot get a job... that is not true, there are millions of people milking it for everything they can get from it. UI is not a bad thing, but when people are abusing the system and not taking jobs that don't pay as well, thats when conservatives get upset. there is no reason to be on UI for years at a time, leaching off of others working... If the full time job they're offered is minimum wage and they're unable to live on that, how should they handle it? I believe there is a cut off for being on unemployment. I don't know what it is for each state, but here it's under 2 years.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 07/10/12 04:36 PM
Some people are always trying to make issues into liberal vs conservative. Why is it always one or the other? Why do you think people do this? because the extreme factions of the parties have taken over and anything short of their views are either liberal or conservative. Yeah, makes sense.

Totage Joined Sat 10/13/07 Posts: 24210	Tue 07/10/12 04:40 PM
i think your assuming everyone that is on unemployment just cannot get a job... that is not true, there are millions of people milking it for everything they can get from it. UI is not a bad thing, but when people are abusing the system and not taking jobs that don't pay as well, thats when conservatives get upset. there is no reason to be on UI for years at a time, leaching off of others working... If the full time job they're offered is minimum wage and they're unable to live on that, how should they handle it? I believe there is a cut off for being on unemployment. I don't know what it is for each state, but here it's under 2 years. Yeah, and they do random checks to make sure you not only apply for jobs but actually talk to employers. There's even Onestop that you should be going to to help get a job.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Tue 07/10/12 05:02 PM
i think your assuming everyone that is on unemployment just cannot get a job... that is not true, there are millions of people milking it for everything they can get from it. UI is not a bad thing, but when people are abusing the system and not taking jobs that don't pay as well, thats when conservatives get upset. there is no reason to be on UI for years at a time, leaching off of others working... If the full time job they're offered is minimum wage and they're unable to live on that, how should they handle it? I believe there is a cut off for being on unemployment. I don't know what it is for each state, but here it's under 2 years. During the rescession most states were given extensions, four of them...Here is what your state did.... If your Maryland unemployment benefits have run out you may be eligible to receive extended unemployment benefits through one of the state or federal unemployment extension programs. This federal unemployment extension programs is called Emergency Unemployment Compensation, 2008 (Also known as EUC08). Emergency Unemployment Compensation, 2008 (EUC08) includes 4 stages, or tiers. Each tier has a different maximum time period for which your unemployment extension will last: Tier 1 EUC08: 20 week maximum unemployment extension. Tier 2 EUC08: 14 week maximum unemployment extension. Tier 3 EUC08: 13 week maximum unemployment extension. Tier 4 EUC08: 6 week maximum unemployment extension. If you use up all of your regular unemployment benefits, normally you don't have to apply for an unemployment extension because the system automatically applies for you, if you are eligible. It is very important that you keep track of your benefits to make sure you receive your unemployment extension if you are eligible. If you get close to your unemployment benefits running out, give your unemployment counselor a call to check to see what you have to do in order to get they unemployment extension. There is another type of unemployment extension called Federal-State Extended Duration (FED-ED), more commonly referred to as Extended Benefits (EB). You will only qualify for the EB unemployment extension if you have used up all of your regular unemployment benefits and also used up all of your EUC08 unemployment extension. If you qualify for the EB unemployment extension you will receive additional benefits equal to 20 weeks or 80% of the maximum benefit amount on the original unemployment claim, whichever amount is less.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 07/10/12 05:10 PM Edited by singmesweet on Tue 07/10/12 05:11 PM
Thanks. Though, I was saying I wasn't sure what it was for other states. But yes, there are extensions. I am aware.

Totage Joined Sat 10/13/07 Posts: 24210	Tue 07/10/12 05:15 PM
It kinda depends, but the max. is usually 99 weeks.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 07/10/12 05:47 PM
They can stay on the extensions as long as congress continues approving and oBummer keep signing extensions.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 07/10/12 05:47 PM
It kinda depends, but the max. is usually 99 weeks. That's less than "years" that someone mentioned earlier.

Totage Joined Sat 10/13/07 Posts: 24210	Tue 07/10/12 05:50 PM
They can stay on the extensions as long as congress continues approving and oBummer keep signing extensions. Not exactly, they may not be eligible for extensions signed.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 07/10/12 05:56 PM
There are some who brag about being on unemployment extensions for over 3 years. And, choosing not to look for work.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 07/10/12 05:57 PM
I don't know anyone who has bragged about being on unemployment at all.

Totage Joined Sat 10/13/07 Posts: 24210	Tue 07/10/12 05:59 PM
There are some who brag about being on unemployment extensions for over 3 years. And, choosing not to look for work. It's not consecutive though, if they are on for that long, there's most likely at least brief periods of employment within that 3 year period.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 07/10/12 06:03 PM
There are some who brag about being on unemployment extensions for over 3 years. And, choosing not to look for work. It's not consecutive though, if they are on for that long, there's most likely at least brief periods of employment within that 3 year period. Ah, that makes a bit more sense.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 07/10/12 06:04 PM
There are some who brag about being on unemployment extensions for over 3 years. And, choosing not to look for work. It's not consecutive though, if they are on for that long, there's most likely at least brief periods of employment within that 3 year period. I can't prove it wasn't but, as you can't prove it wasn't consecutive. The way it was put, it's been 3 straight years of unemployment and extensions.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/10/12 06:04 PM
contract jobs have increased greatly through agencies who kind of 'pimp' out people here and there ,,,,, I think most people do get those types of very 'temporary' assignments here and there throughout their mostly 'unemployed' year,,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 07/10/12 06:07 PM
What I remember, the person said she choose to stay home and not look for a job. The kids needed their mother at home.

Totage Joined Sat 10/13/07 Posts: 24210	Tue 07/10/12 06:07 PM
There are some who brag about being on unemployment extensions for over 3 years. And, choosing not to look for work. It's not consecutive though, if they are on for that long, there's most likely at least brief periods of employment within that 3 year period. I can't prove it wasn't but, as you can't prove it wasn't consecutive. The way it was put, it's been 3 straight years of unemployment and extensions. I do know for a fact that you can only be on UI for a certain amount of time consecutively, after your benefits are exhausted, you get kicked off.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 07/10/12 06:09 PM
There are some who brag about being on unemployment extensions for over 3 years. And, choosing not to look for work. It's not consecutive though, if they are on for that long, there's most likely at least brief periods of employment within that 3 year period. I can't prove it wasn't but, as you can't prove it wasn't consecutive. The way it was put, it's been 3 straight years of unemployment and extensions. I do know for a fact that you can only be on UI for a certain amount of time consecutively, after your benefits are exhausted, you get kicked off. For the whole year of 2012 extensions were signed by Barry. If Robme gets elected, I'm sure he will sign one for 2013.

Totage Joined Sat 10/13/07 Posts: 24210	Tue 07/10/12 06:13 PM
They want people on UI and welfare. That's part of their agenda.