Topic: Liberal vs Conservative
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Tue 07/10/12 12:25 PM


I just got back from Belize. We were chatting with one of the locals there who were giving us the local history, flavor, etc., and he mentioned.

"A big difference between here and the US is that if you don't work here, the government doesn't pay you."



and there, the average income is a little over 8000 per year




we should feel free to emulate it,,,,

My income is not much more than that, yes, we should feel free to emulate it.

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Tue 07/10/12 12:26 PM



I just got back from Belize. We were chatting with one of the locals there who were giving us the local history, flavor, etc., and he mentioned.

"A big difference between here and the US is that if you don't work here, the government doesn't pay you."



and there, the average income is a little over 8000 per year




we should feel free to emulate it,,,,

My income is not much more than that, yes, we should feel free to emulate it.


Voice of reason...:thumbsup:

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Tue 07/10/12 12:28 PM



I just got back from Belize. We were chatting with one of the locals there who were giving us the local history, flavor, etc., and he mentioned.

"A big difference between here and the US is that if you don't work here, the government doesn't pay you."



and there, the average income is a little over 8000 per year




we should feel free to emulate it,,,,

My income is not much more than that, yes, we should feel free to emulate it.


lol, I think it would greatly decrease the unemployment. because people coulnt AFFORD to pay some of the more ridiculous prices for goods and services and it would FORCE those who produce to lower the price or shut down


,,,well, maybe that would INCREASE unemployment,,,lol

but if employers didnt have to pay but less than 700 per month for six days work a week (the average belize schedule),,,they could make much more prift and they could even go on and employ more people without worrying about profit margins

and that might DECREASE unemployment


something to think about ,,,,8000 cap on income across the board, except of course for the business owners and investors who would still be permitted UNLIMITED profit, as much as the 'free market' would allow,,,

aristocracy maybe?


,,,question questions

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Tue 07/10/12 12:34 PM




Well that's all well and good, common sense. but what does it have to do with the topic?


You don't understand why I was asking you to explain your response earlier? Why you thought that it was just conservatives who worked hard? If you can't understand that, it's going to be tough trying to have a discussion with you at all.




There was nothing in my original post to indicate I think just conservatives work hard...Your accusation is out of line and baseless...


you kinda have to get used to that from sing... i just laugh about it now...

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Tue 07/10/12 01:01 PM





Well that's all well and good, common sense. but what does it have to do with the topic?


You don't understand why I was asking you to explain your response earlier? Why you thought that it was just conservatives who worked hard? If you can't understand that, it's going to be tough trying to have a discussion with you at all.




There was nothing in my original post to indicate I think just conservatives work hard...Your accusation is out of line and baseless...


you kinda have to get used to that from sing... i just laugh about it now...


TYflowerforyou

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Tue 07/10/12 01:17 PM




Well that's all well and good, common sense. but what does it have to do with the topic?


You don't understand why I was asking you to explain your response earlier? Why you thought that it was just conservatives who worked hard? If you can't understand that, it's going to be tough trying to have a discussion with you at all.




There was nothing in my original post to indicate I think just conservatives work hard...Your accusation is out of line and baseless...


Not a problem. From now on, I will not assume that you believe the same as what you are posting here, unless you specifically state that you do.

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Tue 07/10/12 01:21 PM




I just got back from Belize. We were chatting with one of the locals there who were giving us the local history, flavor, etc., and he mentioned.

"A big difference between here and the US is that if you don't work here, the government doesn't pay you."



and there, the average income is a little over 8000 per year




we should feel free to emulate it,,,,

My income is not much more than that, yes, we should feel free to emulate it.


lol, I think it would greatly decrease the unemployment. because people coulnt AFFORD to pay some of the more ridiculous prices for goods and services and it would FORCE those who produce to lower the price or shut down


,,,well, maybe that would INCREASE unemployment,,,lol

but if employers didnt have to pay but less than 700 per month for six days work a week (the average belize schedule),,,they could make much more prift and they could even go on and employ more people without worrying about profit margins

and that might DECREASE unemployment


something to think about ,,,,8000 cap on income across the board, except of course for the business owners and investors who would still be permitted UNLIMITED profit, as much as the 'free market' would allow,,,

aristocracy maybe?


,,,question questions


Oh. I should add that the first thing he said was "Here, everyone works."

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Tue 07/10/12 01:26 PM





Well that's all well and good, common sense. but what does it have to do with the topic?


You don't understand why I was asking you to explain your response earlier? Why you thought that it was just conservatives who worked hard? If you can't understand that, it's going to be tough trying to have a discussion with you at all.




There was nothing in my original post to indicate I think just conservatives work hard...Your accusation is out of line and baseless...


Not a problem. From now on, I will not assume that you believe the same as what you are posting here, unless you specifically state that you do.


Good, you know what they say Singme...Never assume...happy

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Tue 07/10/12 01:28 PM





I just got back from Belize. We were chatting with one of the locals there who were giving us the local history, flavor, etc., and he mentioned.

"A big difference between here and the US is that if you don't work here, the government doesn't pay you."



and there, the average income is a little over 8000 per year




we should feel free to emulate it,,,,

My income is not much more than that, yes, we should feel free to emulate it.


lol, I think it would greatly decrease the unemployment. because people coulnt AFFORD to pay some of the more ridiculous prices for goods and services and it would FORCE those who produce to lower the price or shut down


,,,well, maybe that would INCREASE unemployment,,,lol

but if employers didnt have to pay but less than 700 per month for six days work a week (the average belize schedule),,,they could make much more prift and they could even go on and employ more people without worrying about profit margins

and that might DECREASE unemployment


something to think about ,,,,8000 cap on income across the board, except of course for the business owners and investors who would still be permitted UNLIMITED profit, as much as the 'free market' would allow,,,

aristocracy maybe?


,,,question questions


Oh. I should add that the first thing he said was "Here, everyone works."


so perhaps they view 'work' as contribution of effort as well

since their unemployment figures clearly show people are without 'jobs'

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Tue 07/10/12 01:44 PM



Good, you know what they say Singme...Never assume...happy


You got me there, Leigh. It just didn't cross my mind that you didn't agree with what you were posting. Again, thanks for pointing that out. I now know that may not be the case when you post things.

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Tue 07/10/12 02:04 PM






I just got back from Belize. We were chatting with one of the locals there who were giving us the local history, flavor, etc., and he mentioned.

"A big difference between here and the US is that if you don't work here, the government doesn't pay you."



and there, the average income is a little over 8000 per year




we should feel free to emulate it,,,,

My income is not much more than that, yes, we should feel free to emulate it.


lol, I think it would greatly decrease the unemployment. because people coulnt AFFORD to pay some of the more ridiculous prices for goods and services and it would FORCE those who produce to lower the price or shut down


,,,well, maybe that would INCREASE unemployment,,,lol

but if employers didnt have to pay but less than 700 per month for six days work a week (the average belize schedule),,,they could make much more prift and they could even go on and employ more people without worrying about profit margins

and that might DECREASE unemployment


something to think about ,,,,8000 cap on income across the board, except of course for the business owners and investors who would still be permitted UNLIMITED profit, as much as the 'free market' would allow,,,

aristocracy maybe?


,,,question questions


Oh. I should add that the first thing he said was "Here, everyone works."


so perhaps they view 'work' as contribution of effort as well

since their unemployment figures clearly show people are without 'jobs'


You are comparing internet labor statistics to "spin" your comments on their culture. Officially, the men have a 7.5% unemployment rate but from the talks we had with our guides and boat operators (who are outside the "system") the family units are larger and only hourly wage earners appear to be counted. They earn enough to visit and vacation in the US.

You also missed completely the point of my post. They are a hard working, proud people with no welfare system and do not want one. Their culture is one of "you don't work and you don't eat". People on hard times are taken care of by their families and the Church, not the government.

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Tue 07/10/12 02:12 PM







I just got back from Belize. We were chatting with one of the locals there who were giving us the local history, flavor, etc., and he mentioned.

"A big difference between here and the US is that if you don't work here, the government doesn't pay you."



and there, the average income is a little over 8000 per year




we should feel free to emulate it,,,,

My income is not much more than that, yes, we should feel free to emulate it.


lol, I think it would greatly decrease the unemployment. because people coulnt AFFORD to pay some of the more ridiculous prices for goods and services and it would FORCE those who produce to lower the price or shut down


,,,well, maybe that would INCREASE unemployment,,,lol

but if employers didnt have to pay but less than 700 per month for six days work a week (the average belize schedule),,,they could make much more prift and they could even go on and employ more people without worrying about profit margins

and that might DECREASE unemployment


something to think about ,,,,8000 cap on income across the board, except of course for the business owners and investors who would still be permitted UNLIMITED profit, as much as the 'free market' would allow,,,

aristocracy maybe?


,,,question questions


Oh. I should add that the first thing he said was "Here, everyone works."


so perhaps they view 'work' as contribution of effort as well

since their unemployment figures clearly show people are without 'jobs'


You are comparing internet labor statistics to "spin" your comments on their culture. Officially, the men have a 7.5% unemployment rate but from the talks we had with our guides and boat operators (who are outside the "system") the family units are larger and only hourly wage earners appear to be counted. They earn enough to visit and vacation in the US.

You also missed completely the point of my post. They are a hard working, proud people with no welfare system and do not want one. Their culture is one of "you don't work and you don't eat". People on hard times are taken care of by their families and the Church, not the government.



just like us,,,

you dont work you dont eat,,unless you are disabled or retired or otherwise 'incapacitated'...


we dont have an incapacity fund, but we do have social services for those at a misfortune

it has really little to do with whether people are 'working hard' and much more to do with HOW MUCH the economy is set up to employ those needing work,, and it isnt set up to employ all of them

metalwing's photo
Tue 07/10/12 02:22 PM








I just got back from Belize. We were chatting with one of the locals there who were giving us the local history, flavor, etc., and he mentioned.

"A big difference between here and the US is that if you don't work here, the government doesn't pay you."



and there, the average income is a little over 8000 per year




we should feel free to emulate it,,,,

My income is not much more than that, yes, we should feel free to emulate it.


lol, I think it would greatly decrease the unemployment. because people coulnt AFFORD to pay some of the more ridiculous prices for goods and services and it would FORCE those who produce to lower the price or shut down


,,,well, maybe that would INCREASE unemployment,,,lol

but if employers didnt have to pay but less than 700 per month for six days work a week (the average belize schedule),,,they could make much more prift and they could even go on and employ more people without worrying about profit margins

and that might DECREASE unemployment


something to think about ,,,,8000 cap on income across the board, except of course for the business owners and investors who would still be permitted UNLIMITED profit, as much as the 'free market' would allow,,,

aristocracy maybe?


,,,question questions


Oh. I should add that the first thing he said was "Here, everyone works."


so perhaps they view 'work' as contribution of effort as well

since their unemployment figures clearly show people are without 'jobs'


You are comparing internet labor statistics to "spin" your comments on their culture. Officially, the men have a 7.5% unemployment rate but from the talks we had with our guides and boat operators (who are outside the "system") the family units are larger and only hourly wage earners appear to be counted. They earn enough to visit and vacation in the US.

You also missed completely the point of my post. They are a hard working, proud people with no welfare system and do not want one. Their culture is one of "you don't work and you don't eat". People on hard times are taken care of by their families and the Church, not the government.



just like us,,,

you dont work you dont eat,,unless you are disabled or retired or otherwise 'incapacitated'...


we dont have an incapacity fund, but we do have social services for those at a misfortune

it has really little to do with whether people are 'working hard' and much more to do with HOW MUCH the economy is set up to employ those needing work,, and it isnt set up to employ all of them


Not just like us. They are more "Just like we used to be."

Belize is a former British colony, just like us. They have low taxes and little interference from the government ... just like we used to have.

The guys were poking fun at what our government has become, a tax and spend, debt ridden, welfare state.

And for the record, we have many "incapacity funds".

It is about how free people work hard, not how the economy is set up.

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Tue 07/10/12 02:25 PM




Good, you know what they say Singme...Never assume...happy


You got me there, Leigh. It just didn't cross my mind that you didn't agree with what you were posting. Again, thanks for pointing that out. I now know that may not be the case when you post things.


No,you didn't agree with what I posted...A little counter spin for you....:wink:

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Tue 07/10/12 02:39 PM





Good, you know what they say Singme...Never assume...happy


You got me there, Leigh. It just didn't cross my mind that you didn't agree with what you were posting. Again, thanks for pointing that out. I now know that may not be the case when you post things.


No,you didn't agree with what I posted...A little counter spin for you....:wink:


You are correct, I did not agree. Thinking you agreed with what you posted, I was asking you to explain why you thought that way.

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Tue 07/10/12 02:47 PM

Thinking you agreed with what you posted, I was asking you to explain why you thought that way.

Now, that makes a whole lot of sense.

If one is that is.laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0


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Tue 07/10/12 03:14 PM


Thinking you agreed with what you posted, I was asking you to explain why you thought that way.

Now, that makes a whole lot of sense.

If one is that is.laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0




laugh laugh Pass the Visine!!!noway

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Tue 07/10/12 03:38 PM


Thinking you agreed with what you posted, I was asking you to explain why you thought that way.

Now, that makes a whole lot of sense.

If one is that is.laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0




You think someone is high if they think people actually agree with what they post?

Why, willing?

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Tue 07/10/12 03:43 PM




Some people are always trying to make issues into liberal vs conservative. Why is it always one or the other? Why do you think people do this?


Though the parties are becoming more blended the philosophy remains the same....Here is a perfect example...





Liberal vs Conservative Philosophy
By Bob McNeil · April 15, 2009 · Filed in American Citizen Party
I read this in the “comments” section of a news article and found it to be very insightful.
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Father/Daughter Talk: A young woman was about to finish her first year of college.
Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.
She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.
One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.
He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.
Her father listened and then asked, ‘How is your friend Audrey doing?’ She replied, ‘Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.’
Her wise father asked his daughter, ‘Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.’
The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, ‘That’s a crazy idea, and how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!’
The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, ‘Welcome to conservatism’.




drinker drinker

very nice


a little off,, there is no numerical or physical limit to what percentage of students can 'earn' a 4.0


unlike that thing called employment and income,,,


i think your assuming everyone that is on unemployment just cannot get a job... that is not true, there are millions of people milking it for everything they can get from it. UI is not a bad thing, but when people are abusing the system and not taking jobs that don't pay as well, thats when conservatives get upset. there is no reason to be on UI for years at a time, leaching off of others working...

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Tue 07/10/12 03:51 PM

Some people are always trying to make issues into liberal vs conservative. Why is it always one or the other? Why do you think people do this?


because the extreme factions of the parties have taken over and anything short of their views are either liberal or conservative.