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Wed 07/04/12 04:26 AM



Obama abolished reform requiring recipients work after two years of collecting, he abolished the lifetime limit of five years on benefits, he abolished encouraging two parent families, he abolished beefing up enforcement of child support.


Where is this information from?,,,,what what what
I ask, first because a President doesnt make laws, congress does

I ask, second, because having received it since he came in, there has been no such 'abolishment' of those qualifications that I know of


Just like social security, the welfare program(s) are complicated...You advocate so strongly for them and for Obama, but I am beginning to see you only look at a small part of the whole..I see no reason why I should do the research for you ....My information comes from a variety of sources over the past 3 plus years!!!.....Start with Obama's $862 billion stimulus package......AND PS...This president does....Does collecting welfare make you an authority on the subject?



I think it makes me more AWARE of what the actual provisions and rules are than those who havent recently been on it or had it EXPLAINED to them by someone IN THE FIELD or signed paperwork having READ The federal requirements

YES,,,


ohwell

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Wed 07/04/12 11:15 AM
When in Rome do as the Romans do?...Problem is we're in America and we're talking about Americas welfare system, the pros and cons....
When I say our welfare system should be abolished, I say it for a reason...When Obama took office he systematically began reversing the welfare reform of 1996...Reform that was considered a success by both Republicans and Democrates......Reform that lifted millions of Americans from poverty...Obama's stimulus package essentially abolished welfare reform by subsidizing the expansion of welfare rolls...Your federal government now pays 80% of the cost for each new family a state adds to thier welfare rolls!!...This completely eliminates state incentive to put welfare recipients to work!...During the first year ( 2009) welfare rolls increased 5% and this was the first increase since 1996...Welfare encompasses more than just cash assistance...It also includes food stamps, housing, Medicaid...tons of programs involving many federal agencies...Obama is committed to expanding each and every one...
Obama abolished reform requiring recipients work after two years of collecting, he abolished the lifetime limit of five years on benefits, he abolished encouraging two parent families, he abolished beefing up enforcement of child support...Welfare reform was successful, it was working...Since 1996, caseloads dropped 70%, child poverty rates dropped, teen pregnancies decreased, child support collection increased.....Obama's welfare increases are not temporary...Over the next decade he will spend 10 trillion on welfare...So I say abolish welfare or get rid of Obama and bring back welfare reform...


Could you please provide hyperlinks to the sources of your information? If you can't, then can you at least cite your sources?

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Wed 07/04/12 11:18 AM
sources? what are those?

j/k

good luck

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Wed 07/04/12 01:50 PM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Wed 07/04/12 01:52 PM

When in Rome do as the Romans do?...Problem is we're in America and we're talking about Americas welfare system, the pros and cons....
When I say our welfare system should be abolished, I say it for a reason...When Obama took office he systematically began reversing the welfare reform of 1996...Reform that was considered a success by both Republicans and Democrates......Reform that lifted millions of Americans from poverty...Obama's stimulus package essentially abolished welfare reform by subsidizing the expansion of welfare rolls...Your federal government now pays 80% of the cost for each new family a state adds to thier welfare rolls!!...This completely eliminates state incentive to put welfare recipients to work!...During the first year ( 2009) welfare rolls increased 5% and this was the first increase since 1996...Welfare encompasses more than just cash assistance...It also includes food stamps, housing, Medicaid...tons of programs involving many federal agencies...Obama is committed to expanding each and every one...
Obama abolished reform requiring recipients work after two years of collecting, he abolished the lifetime limit of five years on benefits, he abolished encouraging two parent families, he abolished beefing up enforcement of child support...Welfare reform was successful, it was working...Since 1996, caseloads dropped 70%, child poverty rates dropped, teen pregnancies decreased, child support collection increased.....Obama's welfare increases are not temporary...Over the next decade he will spend 10 trillion on welfare...So I say abolish welfare or get rid of Obama and bring back welfare reform...


Could you please provide hyperlinks to the sources of your information? If you can't, then can you at least cite your sources?


Your question was already asked and answered...


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Obama abolished reform requiring recipients work after two years of collecting, he abolished the lifetime limit of five years on benefits, he abolished encouraging two parent families, he abolished beefing up enforcement of child support.

Question from Harmony to me...
Where is this information from?,,,,
I ask, first because a President doesnt make laws, congress does

I ask, second, because having received it since he came in, there has been no such 'abolishment' of those qualifications that I know of

Answer from me to Harmony...
Just like social security, the welfare program(s) are complicated...You advocate so strongly for them and for Obama, but I am beginning to see you only look at a small part of the whole..I see no reason why I should do the research for you ....My information comes from a variety of sources over the past 3 plus years!!!.....Start with Obama's $862 billion stimulus package......AND PS...This president does....Does collecting welfare make you an authority on the subject?


Since you are not happy with that answer here are a couple of samples...There is a myriad of information on the negative effects created by Obama's stimulus package..Research it yourself.....:smile:

'Stimulus' package unravels welfare reform

A researcher at The Heritage Foundation says new statistics on the country's growing welfare caseload show that the success of the welfare reform program enacted in 1996 is being reversed by President Obama's economic stimulus package.

USA Today reports that welfare rolls rose five percent in 2009. Four-million people received welfare checks last year, up from 3.8 million in 2008. The number of people receiving food stamps increased by 18 percent while the number receiving unemployment benefits more than doubled to 9.1 million.

Katherine Bradley, a fellow in welfare studies and family at The Heritage Foundation, says Democrats' economic "stimulus" program put an incentive in place for states to increase the size of their welfare rolls.

"If they increase the size of their welfare rolls, then the federal government would give them bonus money -- you would almost call it reward money," she explains. "It was all phrased in the way of if you're experiencing some kind of economic downturn in your state so your welfare rolls are increasing, we'll give you more money. Well, that's actually the very opposite of the heart of welfare reform in 1996."

Bradley notes that under the welfare to work program established in 1996, states that shrink their welfare rolls get to keep that excess money and use it for other expenses like transportation or housing.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=871264


Robert Rector, a prominent welfare researcher who was one of the architects of Clinton's 1996 reform bill, warned last week that Obama’s stimulus plan was a “welfare spendathon” that would amount to the largest one-year increase in government handouts in American history.

Douglas Besharov, author of a big study on welfare reform, said the stimulus bill passed by Congress and the Senate in separate votes on Friday would “unravel” most of the 1996 reforms that led to a 65% reduction in welfare caseloads and prompted the British and several other governments to consider similar measures.

Obama muses on Republican relationship
Though some researchers have questioned the true impact of Clinton’s “workfare” reforms, they were wildly popular with millions of US taxpayers tired of subsidising what many saw as a generation of slackers.

Despite dire warnings that reduced benefits for single mothers and deadlines on entitlement would create a social calamity – one liberal senator warned at the time that children would be “sleeping on grates” – the 1996 reforms cut welfare rolls from more than 5m families in 1995 to below 2m a decade later without a discernible increase in hardship.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/did-the-congress-and-obama-just-pass-the-biggest-welfare-spending-bill-in-the-history-of-mankind/question-258394/


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Wed 07/04/12 06:34 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 07/04/12 06:35 PM

,,,,that merely supported the idea that welfare has increased,, a no brainer

it showed no information backing the claims:

'Obama abolished reform requiring recipients work after two years of collecting, he abolished the lifetime limit of five years on benefits, he abolished encouraging two parent families, he abolished beefing up enforcement of child support'



ABOLISH, means to get rid of,,,where is the factual information supporting those claims?


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Wed 07/04/12 07:07 PM


,,,,that merely supported the idea that welfare has increased,, a no brainer

it showed no information backing the claims:

'Obama abolished reform requiring recipients work after two years of collecting, he abolished the lifetime limit of five years on benefits, he abolished encouraging two parent families, he abolished beefing up enforcement of child support'



ABOLISH, means to get rid of,,,where is the factual information supporting those claims?




Abolish is a perfectly acceptable word for what he did to welfare reform and if you don't like it tough....:smile:

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Wed 07/04/12 07:13 PM
Abolish CIA Involvement in overthrowing Governments
Abolish Free Healthcare for the lazy
Abolish absurd Tuition prices.
Abolish Skyrocketing Healthcare costs.
Abolish bailouts to Wall Street
Abolish the Federal Reserve

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Wed 07/04/12 07:15 PM



,,,,that merely supported the idea that welfare has increased,, a no brainer

it showed no information backing the claims:

'Obama abolished reform requiring recipients work after two years of collecting, he abolished the lifetime limit of five years on benefits, he abolished encouraging two parent families, he abolished beefing up enforcement of child support'



ABOLISH, means to get rid of,,,where is the factual information supporting those claims?






Abolish is a perfectly acceptable word for what he did to welfare reform and if you don't like it tough....:smile:




great...lol

I hope doctors dont tell patients their cancer is 'abolished' when it is only in remission

but I guess thats tough cookies if they dont think the word was an accurate description of reality ,,,,lol

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Wed 07/04/12 07:16 PM

Abolish CIA Involvement in overthrowing Governments
Abolish Free Healthcare for the lazy
Abolish absurd Tuition prices.
Abolish Skyrocketing Healthcare costs.
Abolish bailouts to Wall Street
Abolish the Federal Reserve



Yes to all...flowerforyou



a·bol·ish/əˈbäliSH/
Verb:
Formally put an end to (a system, practice, or institution).
Synonyms:
annul - cancel - abrogate - repeal - revoke - rescind


:banana: :banana: :banana:

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Wed 07/04/12 07:16 PM

Abolish CIA Involvement in overthrowing Governments
Abolish Free Healthcare for the lazy
Abolish absurd Tuition prices.
Abolish Skyrocketing Healthcare costs.
Abolish bailouts to Wall Street
Abolish the Federal Reserve




better,,,


but who will determine what defines 'lazy'
or 'absurd'
pr 'skyrocketing'


the Federal Reserve is an ongoing debate that mostly seems like an effective smokescreen to me,,,but Im not passionate about it either way,,

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Wed 07/04/12 07:18 PM


Abolish CIA Involvement in overthrowing Governments
Abolish Free Healthcare for the lazy
Abolish absurd Tuition prices.
Abolish Skyrocketing Healthcare costs.
Abolish bailouts to Wall Street
Abolish the Federal Reserve




better,,,


but who will determine what defines 'lazy'
or 'absurd'
pr 'skyrocketing'


the Federal Reserve is an ongoing debate that mostly seems like an effective smokescreen to me,,,but Im not passionate about it either way,,


Lazy = 2nd and 3rd generation welfare families.

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Wed 07/04/12 07:20 PM



Abolish CIA Involvement in overthrowing Governments
Abolish Free Healthcare for the lazy
Abolish absurd Tuition prices.
Abolish Skyrocketing Healthcare costs.
Abolish bailouts to Wall Street
Abolish the Federal Reserve




better,,,


but who will determine what defines 'lazy'
or 'absurd'
pr 'skyrocketing'


the Federal Reserve is an ongoing debate that mostly seems like an effective smokescreen to me,,,but Im not passionate about it either way,,


Lazy = 2nd and 3rd generation welfare families.



oh, havent you heard?, those were 'abolished' in the nineties,,,lol


time restraints now,, no lifetime benefits going on,,,


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Wed 07/04/12 07:20 PM




,,,,that merely supported the idea that welfare has increased,, a no brainer

it showed no information backing the claims:

'Obama abolished reform requiring recipients work after two years of collecting, he abolished the lifetime limit of five years on benefits, he abolished encouraging two parent families, he abolished beefing up enforcement of child support'



ABOLISH, means to get rid of,,,where is the factual information supporting those claims?






Abolish is a perfectly acceptable word for what he did to welfare reform and if you don't like it tough....:smile:




great...lol

I hope doctors dont tell patients their cancer is 'abolished' when it is only in remission

but I guess thats tough cookies if they dont think the word was an accurate description of reality ,,,,lol


I also think the word applies to this...Obama wants to abolish freedom....

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Wed 07/04/12 07:21 PM


Abolish CIA Involvement in overthrowing Governments
Abolish Free Healthcare for the lazy
Abolish absurd Tuition prices.
Abolish Skyrocketing Healthcare costs.
Abolish bailouts to Wall Street
Abolish the Federal Reserve




better,,,


but who will determine what defines 'lazy'
or 'absurd'
pr 'skyrocketing'


the Federal Reserve is an ongoing debate that mostly seems like an effective smokescreen to me,,,but Im not passionate about it either way,,


You?

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Wed 07/04/12 07:26 PM





,,,,that merely supported the idea that welfare has increased,, a no brainer

it showed no information backing the claims:

'Obama abolished reform requiring recipients work after two years of collecting, he abolished the lifetime limit of five years on benefits, he abolished encouraging two parent families, he abolished beefing up enforcement of child support'



ABOLISH, means to get rid of,,,where is the factual information supporting those claims?






Abolish is a perfectly acceptable word for what he did to welfare reform and if you don't like it tough....:smile:




great...lol

I hope doctors dont tell patients their cancer is 'abolished' when it is only in remission

but I guess thats tough cookies if they dont think the word was an accurate description of reality ,,,,lol


I also think the word applies to this...Obama wants to abolish freedom....



anti obama pundits want to abolish logic,,,lol

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Wed 07/04/12 07:27 PM



Abolish CIA Involvement in overthrowing Governments
Abolish Free Healthcare for the lazy
Abolish absurd Tuition prices.
Abolish Skyrocketing Healthcare costs.
Abolish bailouts to Wall Street
Abolish the Federal Reserve




better,,,


but who will determine what defines 'lazy'
or 'absurd'
pr 'skyrocketing'


the Federal Reserve is an ongoing debate that mostly seems like an effective smokescreen to me,,,but Im not passionate about it either way,,


You?


not a job Id want

Im just curious how so many people scream about government being too big yet want them to make such personal observations about whether someone is 'lazy' or a 'free market' tuition is absurd,,,

Im just seeking the consistency in the complaints,, thats all,,,

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Wed 07/04/12 07:29 PM
Patriot Act extension. Obama signed.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/04/12 07:31 PM

Patriot Act extension. Obama signed.



good point

and it brings up the question

when the process of creating and passing a bill can take so long and include so many proposals and amendments, is it realistic or wise to expect someone to only sign off when EVERY portion is just as they want it to be?


is it possible that people vote for bills because they want some type of progress on some things they support rather than no progress on ANY of them?



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Wed 07/04/12 07:35 PM


Patriot Act extension. Obama signed.



good point

and it brings up the question

when the process of creating and passing a bill can take so long and include so many proposals and amendments, is it realistic or wise to expect someone to only sign off when EVERY portion is just as they want it to be?


is it possible that people vote for bills because they want some type of progress on some things they support rather than no progress on ANY of them?






He signed a four year EXTENSION Harmony....slaphead

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Wed 07/04/12 07:36 PM
They never read the original bill. My guess they never have even had a debate about what we take out of The Patriot Act.