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Topic: Do you believe in Satan?
GGGx7's photo
Wed 12/26/12 06:53 AM
But if you want a serious answer:

Jesus and Satan are both figments of your imagination.

Don't let fictional concepts rule your life; you'll only end up wasting the only chance of existence you get.

That's the cold f ucking truth, but, you gotta learn to accept it.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 12/26/12 08:16 AM

But if you want a serious answer:

Jesus and Satan are both figments of your imagination.

Don't let fictional concepts rule your life; you'll only end up wasting the only chance of existence you get.

That's the cold f ucking truth, but, you gotta learn to accept it.
but,he will still get you!

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msharmony's photo
Wed 12/26/12 08:18 AM
believe in is such an ambiguous phrase

it can mean 'have faith/trust in' as in , I believe in you

or it can simply mean to be convinced of the reality


I believe in Hitler, that he existed
I would never have believed in Hitler though, never have put faith or trust in him

Same with Satan
I believe he exists, I dont put faith or trust in him though


Toodygirl5's photo
Tue 01/01/13 03:03 PM


So many people worship Satan as the God of this world, and the statue of Liberty is said to represent Lucifer...

Do you think these entities exist? Are they fallen angels or just aliens of some kind?

Do they live in the bowels of the earth or beneath the volcanoes?



Satan is a fallen angel and he has many followers. Satan/devil resides on the Earth but God has all power over satan.

no photo
Mon 01/07/13 10:15 AM
the last shetan was killed before 5000yrs ago bye god rama
but they returned not physical but in humans nature
he show him self again And again in mahabharat,again in ww1 and ww2
every time when a human fall Frm his dignity And his prosperity a shetan show up

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 01/07/13 11:25 AM



So many people worship Satan as the God of this world, and the statue of Liberty is said to represent Lucifer...

Do you think these entities exist? Are they fallen angels or just aliens of some kind?

Do they live in the bowels of the earth or beneath the volcanoes?



Satan is a fallen angel and he has many followers. Satan/devil resides on the Earth but God has all power over satan.
how does something created perfect turn evil?
Nope,don't give me that "Free-Will" Argument,because a Perfect Being would chose the Good,Not Evil,on it's own Free Will!

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 01/07/13 11:39 AM




So many people worship Satan as the God of this world, and the statue of Liberty is said to represent Lucifer...

Do you think these entities exist? Are they fallen angels or just aliens of some kind?

Do they live in the bowels of the earth or beneath the volcanoes?



Satan is a fallen angel and he has many followers. Satan/devil resides on the Earth but God has all power over satan.
how does something created perfect turn evil?
Nope,don't give me that "Free-Will" Argument,because a Perfect Being would chose the Good,Not Evil,on it's own Free Will!


Satan didn't choose evil persay. Things aren't always that black and white. Satan was created perfect, was the most beautiful, strongest angel God created. Thus he grew an ego, thought himself to be even greater and stronger then God. Thus why he was kicked out of Heaven.

"Evil" is going against God's will. Satan didn't specifically do "evil" in that exact context, he just chose to do his own will over God's. And again since "evil" is going against God's will, he is considered evil.

Rexxiedavie's photo
Mon 01/07/13 12:16 PM
Edited by Rexxiedavie on Mon 01/07/13 12:36 PM
Theres no doubting the fact that satan is real and still got the powers God bequeathed upon him.he used to be an angel of high ranking right,and was banished to earth, along with other fallen angels, after his rebellion in heaven and woe has been upon the earth ever since. The bible says and its true that the thief (meaning satan) comes to steal, (our peace,love,joy,harmony,health,wellbeing,..) kill and destroy and he is always busy doin that...in families,among friends,neighbors,nations..he is busy in the seas as well...there are lots of things we do atimes that really gives him and his demons the platform,open doors, to operate in our lives and one of such is anger,..at times i used to wonder why God banished him to earth,i guess thats a topic for another day but i sure know that his final destination along with his followers and those he deceived is in the hell.
He stands for everything God hates and some of the numerous things he hates,and that keeps him and his agents at bay are prayers,holiness,love,...the name of Jesus.

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 01/07/13 12:31 PM





So many people worship Satan as the God of this world, and the statue of Liberty is said to represent Lucifer...

Do you think these entities exist? Are they fallen angels or just aliens of some kind?

Do they live in the bowels of the earth or beneath the volcanoes?



Satan is a fallen angel and he has many followers. Satan/devil resides on the Earth but God has all power over satan.
how does something created perfect turn evil?
Nope,don't give me that "Free-Will" Argument,because a Perfect Being would chose the Good,Not Evil,on it's own Free Will!


Satan didn't choose evil persay. Things aren't always that black and white. Satan was created perfect, was the most beautiful, strongest angel God created. Thus he grew an ego, thought himself to be even greater and stronger then God. Thus why he was kicked out of Heaven.

"Evil" is going against God's will. Satan didn't specifically do "evil" in that exact context, he just chose to do his own will over God's. And again since "evil" is going against God's will, he is considered evil.
Apologetic?
He couldn't chose evil,because he was created perfect!
His own free will would have guided him to do God's Will,because he was created perfect,so,because he was created perfect,his Free will would have guided him to do the right thing,maily to have his will coincide with God's will!

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 01/07/13 12:59 PM






So many people worship Satan as the God of this world, and the statue of Liberty is said to represent Lucifer...

Do you think these entities exist? Are they fallen angels or just aliens of some kind?

Do they live in the bowels of the earth or beneath the volcanoes?



Satan is a fallen angel and he has many followers. Satan/devil resides on the Earth but God has all power over satan.
how does something created perfect turn evil?
Nope,don't give me that "Free-Will" Argument,because a Perfect Being would chose the Good,Not Evil,on it's own Free Will!


Satan didn't choose evil persay. Things aren't always that black and white. Satan was created perfect, was the most beautiful, strongest angel God created. Thus he grew an ego, thought himself to be even greater and stronger then God. Thus why he was kicked out of Heaven.

"Evil" is going against God's will. Satan didn't specifically do "evil" in that exact context, he just chose to do his own will over God's. And again since "evil" is going against God's will, he is considered evil.
Apologetic?
He couldn't chose evil,because he was created perfect!
His own free will would have guided him to do God's Will,because he was created perfect,so,because he was created perfect,his Free will would have guided him to do the right thing,maily to have his will coincide with God's will!


Not specifically.

"Free"will means a being has their own will not influenced by another will except for what or how they wish to allow that influence on them.

Saying he "couldn't" choose, would mean he had no free will. That is exactly what free will is, the ability to make choice.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 01/07/13 08:55 PM
I am curious where it says satan was created perfect? Was Adam created perfect?

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 01/08/13 03:08 AM

I am curious where it says satan was created perfect? Was Adam created perfect?


The following verse was in reference to Satan.


Ezekiel 28:15
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

And don't know if man was created "perfect", but God seen that it was "good".

The following verse is the only one I know of specifically just how God felt about his creation of the world, and since "good" is a perspective, it could mean perfect. But there is no specific of man being made perfect that I know of.

Genesis 1:31
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Rexxiedavie's photo
Tue 01/08/13 01:29 PM
Edited by Rexxiedavie on Tue 01/08/13 02:05 PM
I believe the term GOOD that God saw in all His creations can also mean Perfection. Remember, He created man in His own Image and Likeness and i don't think there is any imperfection there and besides He is the Master Craftsman. And if Christ rebuked the man that called Him Good Master, saying God is the only one to be reffered to as Good,then the Good that God saw in Adam-His Own Image and Likeness-was Perfect.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 01/08/13 06:08 PM
Thanks to both of you.

I find Eze 28 to be a very interesting chapter.. Eze was to prophesy to The King of Tyre. whoever is called an annointed cherub. and traded in the next verse which that Hebrew word says

OT:7404

OT:7404 rekullah (rek-ool-law'); feminine passive participle of OT:7402; trade (as peddled):


KJV - merchandise, traffic.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

and then in the verse before he had a lot of the jewels that each tribe of Israel had.

What is satan trading? then what does this mean as its flow seems to be talking about the same person/being

Ezek 28:18-19

18 "You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you;
You have become a horror,
And shall be no more forever."'"
NKJV

when has Satan been turned to ashes?

Who are these people who know him?

and eze prophesied he would be no more. can angels be destroyed? a cherub?

These are deep questions and a deep chapter.. when has this all taken place or when will it take place.. I am dumbfounded.. it hard to get ahold on

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