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People who make bold statements like those above should be given the chance to jump in front of a speeding train. Yes, I think this post belongs in the "say something vague" thread. 
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@JB Gawd damn, my head hurts from reading this thread. S_S, I respect and appreciate your passion concerning your beliefs, I just will gracefully disagree with you. We will not agree on the "meaning' of the flag no matter what we say or how long we banter. 
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You can choose to not respect the sacrifices of the veterans, patriots, fallen and wounded warriors who have spilled their blood for your rights and freedoms. You have the right to disrespect the flag of honor we defend (to a degree). We also do not have to respect you for those opinions, though we would defend to the death your right to them. I guess there is a difference in what values people are able to live with about themselves. Spit on the troops, spit on our flag, and still we defend you....what irony! |
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Edited by
willing2
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Tue 06/12/12 04:51 PM
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 I find the second picture offensive to downs syndrome folks. The one in black has the same shape head and expression of many with downs. Extremely, tasteless and I hope the mods review and remove it. That being said, I don't see that cartoon as having a thing to do with anyone with down's syndrome. If you say so, I guess the old gal looks normal. Not PC. A genuine caring for Down's folks. Now, how about we put a pair of negros in the same pose, same picture? Would there be a riot or just an, "oh well"? |
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NO THANKS! I'LL STICK WITH THE RED, WHITE AND BLUE! COLORS THAT DON'T RUN! And I'll offer my life yet again to restore the honor and glory that made her the symbol of a free nation! You see SS I do not understand you thinking here. How can a Flag restore Honour and Glory? The flag does not restore those things....it symbolizes them! Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light, What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming? Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight, O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming? And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there. O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave? On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep, Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes, What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep, As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses? Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam, In full glory reflected now shines on the stream: 'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. And where is that band who so vauntingly swore That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion A home and a country should leave us no more? Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave: And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand Between their loved homes and the war's desolation! Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation. Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just, And this be our motto: "In God is our trust." And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!   We need to remember that God created this vast and glorious world for us to live in, freely, but also at great sacrifice. Let us never forget from the revolutionary War to the Gulf War and all the wars in-between that sacrifice was made for our freedom. Remember to pray praises for this great country of ours and also pray for those still in murderous unrest around the world. STOP and thank God for being alive at someone else's sacrifice. God Bless. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 06/12/12 05:53 PM
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You can choose to not respect the sacrifices of the veterans, patriots, fallen and wounded warriors who have spilled their blood for your rights and freedoms. You have the right to disrespect the flag of honor we defend (to a degree). We also do not have to respect you for those opinions, though we would defend to the death your right to them. I guess there is a difference in what values people are able to live with about themselves. Spit on the troops, spit on our flag, and still we defend you....what irony! My heart goes out to all the veterans who get involved with the world of war. They all believe they are fighting for a just cause, they all believe they fight for freedom. That includes both sides of the conflict. Wars are all planned in advance by the elite owners of this world. To imply that a symbol (a flag) has anything to do with the sacrifices of veterans, patriots, fallen and wounded warriors etc. is a gross distortion. IT IS JUST A SYMBOL. Symbols have no meaning except for what a person gives them. No one is "spitting on the troops" or "spitting on the flag" and I resent this entire post that implies such a nasty and hateful thing. My father was a vet from world war II, both my husbands were vets from Viet Nam and that war was a waste of human flesh and a destroyer of lives! It was an illegal war and it was not for my freedom. I have a cousin who died from agent orange cancer, and another who was the only survivor in his outfit after the Tet offensive. I am against meaningless bloody wars that serve no purpose. I elect that we keep our troops home to protect our soil and stop sending them off to the third world countries to secure oil and other resources for the elite. While courage is admirable, war itself is not glorious. War is the play ground and tool of the elite. Armies are pawns of kings and emperors who never lift a sword themselves. They get other people to fight and die for their cause which is mostly about greed, wealth and the resources of this earth. I will fight for my freedom, and I will not be intimidated by anyone who thinks I should (or must) pay homage to their symbols of war, what ever that happens to be at the time. |
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I find the second picture offensive to downs syndrome folks. The one in black has the same shape head and expression of many with downs. Extremely, tasteless and I hope the mods review and remove it. It is tasteless and if you people who think so would quit hitting the "quote" button we would not have to look at the ugly thing on every page. Just sayin.... 
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Here is my picture worth a thousand words:
 AND here are my thousand words! The Boys of Iwo Jima (From the book: Heart Touchers "Life-Changing Stories of Faith, Love, and Laughter) by Michael T. Powers Each year I am hired to go to Washington, DC, with the eighth grade class from Clinton, WI, where I grew up, to videotape their trip. I greatly enjoy visiting our nation's capitol, and each year I take some special memories back with me. This fall's trip was especially memorable. On the last night of our trip, we stopped at the Iwo Jima Memorial. This memorial is the largest bronze statue in the world and depicts one of the most famous photographs in history -- that of the six brave soldiers raising the American Flag at the top of a rocky hill on the island of Iwo Jima, Japan, during WW II. Over one hundred students and chaperones piled off the buses and headed towards the memorial. I noticed a solitary figure at the base of the statue, and as I got closer he asked, "Where are you guys from?" I told him that we were from Wisconsin. "Hey, I'm a cheesehead, too! Come gather around, cheeseheads, and I will tell you a story." (James Bradley just happened to be in Washington, DC, to speak at the memorial the following day. He was there that night to say good night to his dad, who has since passed away. He was just about to leave when he saw the buses pull up. I videotaped him as he spoke to us, and received his permission to share what he said from my videotape. It is one thing to tour the incredible monuments filled with history in Washington, D.C., but it is quite another to get the kind of insight we received that night.) When all had gathered around, he reverently began to speak. (Here are his words that night.) "My name is James Bradley and I'm from Antigo, Wisconsin. My dad is on that statue and I just wrote a book called "Flags of Our Fathers" which is #5 on the New York Times Best Seller list right now. It is the story of the six boys you see behind me." "Six boys raised the flag. The first guy putting the pole in the ground is Harlon Block. Harlon was an all-state football player. He enlisted in the Marine Corps with all the senior members of his football team. They were off to play another type of game. A game called 'War'. But it didn't turn out to be a game. Harlon, at the age of 21, died with his intestines in his hands. I don't say that to gross you out, I say that because there are generals who stand in front of this statue and talk about the glory of war." "You guys need to know that most of the boys in Iwo Jima were 17, 18, and 19 years old." (He pointed to the statue) "You see this next guy? That's Rene Gagnon from New Hampshire. If you took Rene's helmet off at the moment this photo was taken and looked in the webbing of that helmet, you would find a photograph of his girlfriend. Rene put that in there for protection because he was scared. He was 18 years old. Boys won the battle of Iwo Jima... Boys... Not old men." "The next guy here, the third guy in this tableau, was Sergeant Mike Strank. Mike is my hero. He was the hero of all these guys. They called him the "old man" because he was so old. He was already 24. When Mike would motivate his boys in training camp, he didn't say, 'Let's go kill some Japanese' or 'Let's die for our country.' He knew he was talking to little boys. Instead he would say, 'You do what I say, and I'll get you home to your mothers.'" "The last guy on this side of the statue is Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian from Arizona. Ira Hayes walked off Iwo Jima. He went into the White House with my dad. President Truman told him, 'You're a hero...' He told reporters, 'How can I feel like a hero when 250 of my buddies hit the island with me and only 27 of us walked off alive?' So you take your class at school, 250 of you spending a year together having fun, doing everything together. Then all 250 of you hit the beach, but only 27 of your classmates walk off alive. That was Ira Hayes. He had images of horror in his mind. Ira Hayes died dead drunk, face down at the age of 32... ten years after this picture was taken." "The next guy, going around the statue, is Franklin Sousley from Hilltop, Kentucky. A fun lovin' hillbilly boy. His best friend, who is now 70, told me, 'Yeah, you know, we took two cows up on the porch of the Hilltop General Store. Then we strung wire across the stairs so the cows couldn't get down. Then we fed them Epsom salts. Those cows crapped all night.'" "Yes, he was a fun lovin' hillbilly boy. Franklin died on Iwo Jima at the age of 19. When the telegram came to tell his mother that he was dead, it went to the Hilltop General Store. A barefoot boy ran that telegram up to his mother's farm. The neighbors could hear her scream all night and into the morning. The neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away." "The next guy, as we continue to go around the statue, is my dad, John Bradley from Antigo, Wisconsin, where I was raised. My dad lived until 1994, but he would never give interviews. When Walter Cronkite's producers or the New York Times would call, we were trained as little kids to say, 'No, I'm sorry, sir, my dad's not here. He is in Canada fishing. No, there is no phone there, sir. No, we don't know when he is coming back.' My dad never fished or even went to Canada. Usually, he was sitting there right at the table eating his Campbell's soup. But we had to tell the press that he was out fishing. He didn't want to talk to the press." "You see, my dad didn't see himself as a hero. Everyone thinks these guys are heroes, 'cause they are in a photo and a monument. My dad knew better. He was a medic. John Bradley from Wisconsin was a caregiver. In Iwo Jima he probably held over 200 boys as they died. And when boys died in Iwo Jima, they writhed and screamed in pain." "When I was a little boy, my third grade teacher told me that my dad was a hero. When I went home and told my dad that, he looked at me and said, 'I want you always to remember that the heroes of Iwo Jima are the guys who did not come back... Did NOT come back.'" "So that's the story about six nice young boys. Three died on Iwo Jima, and three came back as national heroes. Overall, 7,000 boys died on Iwo Jima in the worst battle in the history of the Marine Corps. My voice is giving out, so I will end here. Thank you for your time." Suddenly, the monument wasn't just a big old piece of metal with a flag sticking out of the top. It came to life before our eyes with the heartfelt words of a son who did indeed have a father who was a hero. Maybe not a hero for the reasons most people would believe, but a hero nonetheless. |
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If you say so, I guess the old gal looks normal. Not PC. A genuine caring for Down's folks. Now, how about we put a pair of negros in the same pose, same picture? Would there be a riot or just an, "oh well"? You joke around so much on this site and the other site, it's hard to tell what you may be genuine about. I would have an issue, too, if I thought people were actually making fun of those with down's syndrome, but that's just not the case here. You're trying to make it into something it's not. |
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We need to remember that God created this vast and glorious world for us to live in, freely, but also at great sacrifice. Let us never forget from the revolutionary War to the Gulf War and all the wars in-between that sacrifice was made for our freedom. Remember to pray praises for this great country of ours and also pray for those still in murderous unrest around the world. STOP and thank God for being alive at someone else's sacrifice. God Bless. We should remember everyone that has been killed in stupid wars. I would like to contrast the above photos of pieces of cloth with a photo that should be in everyone's front room. A testament to man's blind indifference to his fellow-man. Think about the children. In my opinion the photos of cloth tend to Glorify War My Photo brings home the real results of war. I could have put up another photo which is gruesome but I am going to check it out with the moderators first. 
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Wed 06/13/12 03:05 AM
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Those who glorify war have most likely never experienced it...other than in movies or select pictorials fed us by the press releases. Or, they are the profiteers who come in all shapes and sizes from the mercenary to the banker! Cold, calculating, heartless individuals with a God complex, who revel in the power over the life and death of others, financed by the endless supply of corrupt corporate or banker blood money. The real problem is idiocy, complacency! One never learns from the greatest lies, fails to see the truth behind the madness, and is therefore bound to repeat or echo the insane cry for more..... until it touches them. |
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Edited by
Sunshine_in_Florida
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Wed 06/13/12 04:30 AM
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Those who glorify war have most likely never experienced it...other than in movies or select pictorials fed us by the press releases. Or, they are the profiteers who come in all shapes and sizes from the mercenary to the banker! Cold, calculating, heartless individuals with a God complex, who revel in the power over the life and death of others, financed by the endless supply of corrupt corporate or banker blood money. The real problem is idiocy, complacency! One never learns from the greatest lies, fails to see the truth behind the madness, and is therefore bound to repeat or echo the insane cry for more..... until it touches them. SS, I look at the flag in remembrance of those fallen and those that risked their lives for me to sit here and say what I want to say. I can't thank you enough for putting yourself in harms way for me and your country. Never does any American, in my opinion, look at the flag to glorify any war, as was stated by someone from another country here. One should not judge everyone by themselves and how THEY think. God Bless you sir and God help us all. @optomistic: Please copy the flag of Ireland in your post, as that is where you are from, don't use my country's flag to post your nasty pic's and defame my country. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, I would not dare post a flag of Ireland and depict children in war under it, and I resent you doing so. |
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Edited by
Ladylid2012
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Wed 06/13/12 05:19 AM
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Lets not confuse dying for oil with fighting for freedom....
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Lets not confuse dying for oil with fighting for freedom.... Or as in the case of Afghanistan...opium/heroin Or Africa... diamonds, oil and uranium It's NOT the soldiers who are confused.... that's why they support Ron Paul! It's the general public who listen to MSM and support the others that are confused! |
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Those who glorify war have most likely never experienced it...other than in movies or select pictorials fed us by the press releases. Or, they are the profiteers who come in all shapes and sizes from the mercenary to the banker! Cold, calculating, heartless individuals with a God complex, who revel in the power over the life and death of others, financed by the endless supply of corrupt corporate or banker blood money. The real problem is idiocy, complacency! One never learns from the greatest lies, fails to see the truth behind the madness, and is therefore bound to repeat or echo the insane cry for more..... until it touches them. SS, I look at the flag in remembrance of those fallen and those that risked their lives for me to sit here and say what I want to say. I can't thank you enough for putting yourself in harms way for me and your country. Never does any American, in my opinion, look at the flag to glorify any war, as was stated by someone from another country here. One should not judge everyone by themselves and how THEY think. God Bless you sir and God help us all. @optomistic: Please copy the flag of Ireland in your post, as that is where you are from, don't use my country's flag to post your nasty pic's and defame my country. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, I would not dare post a flag of Ireland and depict children in war under it, and I resent you doing so.  
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Those who glorify war have most likely never experienced it...other than in movies or select pictorials fed us by the press releases. Or, they are the profiteers who come in all shapes and sizes from the mercenary to the banker! Cold, calculating, heartless individuals with a God complex, who revel in the power over the life and death of others, financed by the endless supply of corrupt corporate or banker blood money. The real problem is idiocy, complacency! One never learns from the greatest lies, fails to see the truth behind the madness, and is therefore bound to repeat or echo the insane cry for more..... until it touches them. SS, I look at the flag in remembrance of those fallen and those that risked their lives for me to sit here and say what I want to say. I can't thank you enough for putting yourself in harms way for me and your country. Never does any American, in my opinion, look at the flag to glorify any war, as was stated by someone from another country here. One should not judge everyone by themselves and how THEY think. God Bless you sir and God help us all. @optomistic: Please copy the flag of Ireland in your post, as that is where you are from, don't use my country's flag to post your nasty pic's and defame my country. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, I would not dare post a flag of Ireland and depict children in war under it, and I resent you doing so. How is this picture defaming "your" country? Is this not Vietnam? Did we not have a WAR there? Do you think only Americans are affected by war? Truth can hurt! |
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Kindly aim your opinions at the Topic,
and not other's opinions/photos. This is a great Topic, allowing everyone to submit photos that speak for themselves. They span a wide range of subjects, hopefully enlightening, for those who care to be. soufie Site Moderator |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Wed 06/13/12 07:09 AM
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@optomistic: Please copy the flag of Ireland in your post, as that is where you are from, don't use my country's flag to post your nasty pic's and defame my country. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, I would not dare post a flag of Ireland and depict children in war under it, and I resent you doing so. A valid point, posts should have been separated. Children suffering in war is a given, part of my continuing argument against it, but it is not the least or the biggest part of the horrors and damages of war. The media profits from sales of advertising while glorifying the effort in pictures and editorial...(profit shares) The banks finance it...AT INTEREST... from money they don't have in reserve, printed out of thin air, the debt then transfered/laid on the taxpayers! The FED "creates" money with NOTHING to back it up but increased debt to taxpayers. It then loans the money to OTHER banks at 0 or 1% interest, to loan to us at 20-40% interest or more! In other words, we pay banks to loan us our own money, THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN EARNED YET...TWICE! No worries! Congress will spend it on all their entitlement programs and wars before you ever see it, so why worry about it! What do the people get? Loss of Economy/Jobs More Taxes (to repay the bankers loans) Devastation Family loss and hardship Expense of care for war wounded (more tax) Reconstruction costs (more tax) Collateral Damage Hatred and resentment...blowback Expense of occupation (more tax) Foreign Aid (more tax) Who REALLY wins in a war? FYI... The picture is from Cam Loon Vietnam, the soldiers are RVN's (not American), but it was taken after a US airstrike on an occupied village. The village was destroyed by napalm at the request of the RSV admin to remove heavy resistance to advancing forces. No excuse, just a reality of war! |
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Edited by
willing2
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Wed 06/13/12 07:09 AM
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Telling old war stories while working his new job. "When I was King, I killed Osama and the US economy all in the same year. 
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The ONLY ones who "WIN" in war are the liars who pick the next enemy.
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