Sadly, many men still think this way. I don't understand it. And I would think that those who are completely against abortions would be all for birth control.

That's the bottom line...at the end of the day the entire reverence of life and the bringer of life is perverted. As seen with the breastfeeding issue, an even in our own thread about it.
The issues go way beyond the 'right' to an abortion, but that's
a whole nother topic...

It's not just men who think this way. Women believe this and teach it to each other and their daughters.

i always thought it was a womans right to choose... now that they do, people are still complaining about it... i mean who cares if she doesn't want a girl? is that anyone elses business? whatever the reason, if wants an abortion, let her have it, she is ultimately responsible for the child until they are 17-18 years old, and morso if the father is not around. are the church people that are so against it going to be there for her when she needs help? more not than yes, so they need to but out of her business...

I believe the political/popular stance is the 'unborn' are not yet significantly human enough to be treated as anything but a part of the womans body.

therefore, like any other decision a woman makes about her surgery, abortion should be only about the woman and what the woman wants


I disagree wholeheartedly with that stance, but I am on the fence about the politics of it (whether it should be a crime or not)

I think our jails are full enough but I Would like to discourage women from choosing abortion as well. It would be well invested to create more programs that teach young girls to have more respect and reverence for theirself, their bodies, and their futures. ANd also more done to expose young girls to the REALITY of being a parent, or choosing to share your body with someone else,, instead of just the nonsense and nostalgia promoted in media,,,,,

i think they should encourage it more... have sales and speacils on abortions, so more women would have them... how many billions of people do we really need on this planet anyway?

another troubling point which I agree with

a woman may 'carry' the child for nine months of its LIFETIME, but thats not the only significant part of a humans life, or the only significant bond

it still takes TWO to create the life, regardless of who has the 'burden' of carrying it for nine months, and it troubles me that physical ownership is basically defining who has rights and who doesnt when it comes , its like saying if the child is in my HOME, its private and nobody should tell me what to do with it, or that I cant extinguish its life

except instead of a private dwelling, its a private body,,,

problem is many are 'wanting' the sex with no consideration of whether they want the potential child that is created from (hetero) sex,,,,

and we can hardly legislate a mandate of who can and cant have sex,,,that would be way worse than mandating healthcare,,trust me,,lol

I Actually agree with this,,,the child/fetus/ whatever you want to call it was created by two people who should BOTH have some say about it


the current laws are very unjust and biased towards men,, in my opinion,,,

they have a choice to take the RISK of creating a life with the man,,, after that the 'choices' need to be agreed upon,,,,by the two who created the life,,,

I was discussing this topic on another site and was told by someone that it's a cop out for me to personally not want to get an abortion, yet to not tell other women what they should and should not do with their own bodies. And that I had blood on my hands, because I wouldn't say that no one should ever be allowed to get abortions.

or they could discourage promiscuity,,,

oh, but thats just tOOO OOOOOO Hard, I forgot

we have to have sex , when and how we like it, cause we are 'adults'

I would never say that to you personally because I respect you.

and I believe in PERSONAL responsibility, those not involved in physically taking a life or encouraging the life to be taken, cant have the blood on their hands

I am of a similar philosophy though that right is right and wrong is wrong,,,I dont necessarily jive with the popular philosophy that they are purely subjective

although what SEEMS right or wrong is subjective, what IS right or wrong is not

Id feel a hypocrite to think it was alright for me to do something and not another person

likewise, I feel hypocritical claiming its not alright for me to do something but it is for someone else,,,

You may think something is wrong, but it's legal. So you wouldn't be able to tell others they couldn't do it. It may be wrong for you, but not for others.

everything thats legal is not necessarily 'right' anymore than everything illegal is 'wrong' (from a moral standpoint anyhow)

I am understanding your point of view is not the same as mine concerning the subjectiveness of 'wrong'

Omg! MsHarmony and I agree on something.

Isn't it interesting that the "born" get to decide that we can do with fewer of the "unborn". It's a one sided argument, the unborn has a life, but no say in what is done with it.

Reminds me of Dred Scott. Instead of "No person of African descent can be a citizen of the United States", we get "No fetus can be a citizen of the United States".

Basically, abortion supporters insist that the unborn human belongs to the mother. It has no rights beyond what she grants it, including the right to life.