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Topic: Another shameful moment in history,,,
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 08:00 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html I think this should have been put to rest long ago, but the problem is, no other President has ever been in question. I have never understood why it's so hard for him to come up with a birth certificate. But he is the POTUS, don't you think he could at least come up with something? And democrats wonder why people never let this go. Articles like this do nothing more than toss fuel on the fire. that is incorrect peccy he disclosed his birth certificate AS DID THE STATE OF HAWAII back in 2009 but people werent satisfied because it wasnt a 'long form' this document he released in 2009 is the same SHORT FORM I used to get my passport and is proof of citizenship,,period but 'birthers' were not satisfied with it they insisted on seeing the 'long form' instead, to which I responded even then that even if he met that request it still would not be enough 'proof' that he was a natural born citizen/us citizen(not naturalized but at birth) and now that he showed the LONG FORM, just like I suspected and HE probably realized, they are also not satisfied with it because it is only a picture its as if they actually expect someone to take the ORIGINAL one from storage and personally knock on all their doors so they can personally inspect it it is beyond RIDICULOUS and embarassing for american history,,,, Incorrect he posted an admitted fake the hospital on what was posted didnt exist, the country of kenya was the british colony of kenya not kenya in 1961.....it didnt become Kenya until 1963 ,,see what I mean,, never ends,,,,,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 08:02 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable Do you really doubt any other presidents citizenship? I dont doubt his...but what difference does that make? apparently others thought they had a legitimate reason to so much for the global age of travel, I better tell my daughter to prepare for the extra scrutiny because her father is british, and I will no doubt be suspected of ACTUALLY having her in Britain instead of america, even if she shows the same proof of citizenship required by any other citizen of the us when such proof is required for legal reason,,,, .. ridiculous,, If she plans on running for President just tell her to provide the documents without hassel and there wouldnt be further scrutiny.......to cause an issue then provide under duress with questionable information was th issue....if he had indeed just provided the info in the beginning it wouldnt have blown to the proportion it did.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 08:02 PM
Pure logic,,,,, Questions do not harm anyone if they have nothing to fear/hide. its not the question thats harmful, its the disparate treatment example if john applied for a position that requires a background check and bob applied for a position that requires a background check and they BOTH Supply that check, but then bob is asked to ALSO provide a SECONDARY background check although his initial check provides the same qualifying information as Johns thats HARMFUL and DISCRIMINATORY,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 08:03 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable Do you really doubt any other presidents citizenship? I dont doubt his...but what difference does that make? apparently others thought they had a legitimate reason to so much for the global age of travel, I better tell my daughter to prepare for the extra scrutiny because her father is british, and I will no doubt be suspected of ACTUALLY having her in Britain instead of america, even if she shows the same proof of citizenship required by any other citizen of the us when such proof is required for legal reason,,,, .. ridiculous,, If she plans on running for President just tell her to provide the documents without hassel and there wouldnt be further scrutiny.......to cause an issue then provide under duress with questionable information was th issue....if he had indeed just provided the info in the beginning it wouldnt have blown to the proportion it did. missing the point IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE PROVIDES even AFTER providing the long form, people are tearing it to pieces to claim its not proof,,,they would do that no matter WHEN He had provided it because they have SINGLED HIM OUT,,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 08:04 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html I think this should have been put to rest long ago, but the problem is, no other President has ever been in question. I have never understood why it's so hard for him to come up with a birth certificate. But he is the POTUS, don't you think he could at least come up with something? And democrats wonder why people never let this go. Articles like this do nothing more than toss fuel on the fire. that is incorrect peccy he disclosed his birth certificate AS DID THE STATE OF HAWAII back in 2009 but people werent satisfied because it wasnt a 'long form' this document he released in 2009 is the same SHORT FORM I used to get my passport and is proof of citizenship,,period but 'birthers' were not satisfied with it they insisted on seeing the 'long form' instead, to which I responded even then that even if he met that request it still would not be enough 'proof' that he was a natural born citizen/us citizen(not naturalized but at birth) and now that he showed the LONG FORM, just like I suspected and HE probably realized, they are also not satisfied with it because it is only a picture its as if they actually expect someone to take the ORIGINAL one from storage and personally knock on all their doors so they can personally inspect it it is beyond RIDICULOUS and embarassing for american history,,,, Incorrect he posted an admitted fake the hospital on what was posted didnt exist, the country of kenya was the british colony of kenya not kenya in 1961.....it didnt become Kenya until 1963 ,,see what I mean,, never ends,,,,, no i am saying what helped cause the controversy......i havent even seen the long form in my opinion his administration propelled the controversy rather than squash it

Troubled Joined Sat 12/22/07 Posts: 295	Wed 05/30/12 08:04 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable Do you really doubt any other presidents citizenship? [/quote I dont doubt his...but what difference does that make? apparently others thought they had a legitimate reason to so much for the global age of travel, I better tell my daughter to prepare for the extra scrutiny because her father is british, and I will no doubt be suspected of ACTUALLY having her in Britain instead of america, even if she shows the same proof of citizenship required by any other citizen of the us when such proof is required for legal reason,,,, .. ridiculous,, Probably a good idea if she's running for president,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 08:05 PM
the point is that, this would have never been done to a white president. Whether or not people want to admit, this country is still a little racist sometimes It was done to a white candidate and if he had become president then it would have been done to a white president, therefore that isnt a point either same crap, liberals don't get their way, they scream racism... McClain had to show his, being born on a AF base in panama, and nobody screeched racism then... because white people aren't allowed to screech racism . . . it disrupts the natural order of things really, cause I remember a certain white man who got the snot beat out of him after the rodney king verdict dont remember too much debate about it 'not' being racism

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 08:05 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html I think this should have been put to rest long ago, but the problem is, no other President has ever been in question. I have never understood why it's so hard for him to come up with a birth certificate. But he is the POTUS, don't you think he could at least come up with something? And democrats wonder why people never let this go. Articles like this do nothing more than toss fuel on the fire. that is incorrect peccy he disclosed his birth certificate AS DID THE STATE OF HAWAII back in 2009 but people werent satisfied because it wasnt a 'long form' this document he released in 2009 is the same SHORT FORM I used to get my passport and is proof of citizenship,,period but 'birthers' were not satisfied with it they insisted on seeing the 'long form' instead, to which I responded even then that even if he met that request it still would not be enough 'proof' that he was a natural born citizen/us citizen(not naturalized but at birth) and now that he showed the LONG FORM, just like I suspected and HE probably realized, they are also not satisfied with it because it is only a picture its as if they actually expect someone to take the ORIGINAL one from storage and personally knock on all their doors so they can personally inspect it it is beyond RIDICULOUS and embarassing for american history,,,, Incorrect he posted an admitted fake the hospital on what was posted didnt exist, the country of kenya was the british colony of kenya not kenya in 1961.....it didnt become Kenya until 1963 ,,see what I mean,, never ends,,,,, no i am saying what helped cause the controversy......i havent even seen the long form in my opinion his administration propelled the controversy rather than squash it in my opinion, his administration knew the controversy would continue regardless of what they did once they ALREADY fulfilled the initial request by providing the birth certificate,,,

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 05/30/12 08:06 PM
Pure logic,,,,, Questions do not harm anyone if they have nothing to fear/hide. its not the question thats harmful, its the disparate treatment example if john applied for a position that requires a background check and bob applied for a position that requires a background check and they BOTH Supply that check, but then bob is asked to ALSO provide a SECONDARY background check although his initial check provides the same qualifying information as Johns thats HARMFUL and DISCRIMINATORY,,, no, that is wrong... you don't have a right to work for someone, it is a privilege. that is just a minority way of thinking, just to get what they want...

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 05/30/12 08:07 PM
And that was how long ago?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 08:07 PM
the point is that, this would have never been done to a white president. Whether or not people want to admit, this country is still a little racist sometimes It was done to a white candidate and if he had become president then it would have been done to a white president, therefore that isnt a point either same crap, liberals don't get their way, they scream racism... McClain had to show his, being born on a AF base in panama, and nobody screeched racism then... because white people aren't allowed to screech racism . . . it disrupts the natural order of things really, cause I remember a certain white man who got the snot beat out of him after the rodney king verdict dont remember too much debate about it 'not' being racism and I Remember some white firefighters,,, and I Remember some white college students,,,,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 08:07 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable Do you really doubt any other presidents citizenship? I dont doubt his...but what difference does that make? apparently others thought they had a legitimate reason to so much for the global age of travel, I better tell my daughter to prepare for the extra scrutiny because her father is british, and I will no doubt be suspected of ACTUALLY having her in Britain instead of america, even if she shows the same proof of citizenship required by any other citizen of the us when such proof is required for legal reason,,,, .. ridiculous,, If she plans on running for President just tell her to provide the documents without hassel and there wouldnt be further scrutiny.......to cause an issue then provide under duress with questionable information was th issue....if he had indeed just provided the info in the beginning it wouldnt have blown to the proportion it did. missing the point IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE PROVIDES even AFTER providing the long form, people are tearing it to pieces to claim its not proof,,,they would do that no matter WHEN He had provided it because they have SINGLED HIM OUT,, incorrect its the false info contained in the document that doesnt match documented history that caused it......can you deny documented historical event not matching the online document?? Its about honesty which obviously no administration seems to understand

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 08:09 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable Do you really doubt any other presidents citizenship? I dont doubt his...but what difference does that make? apparently others thought they had a legitimate reason to so much for the global age of travel, I better tell my daughter to prepare for the extra scrutiny because her father is british, and I will no doubt be suspected of ACTUALLY having her in Britain instead of america, even if she shows the same proof of citizenship required by any other citizen of the us when such proof is required for legal reason,,,, .. ridiculous,, If she plans on running for President just tell her to provide the documents without hassel and there wouldnt be further scrutiny.......to cause an issue then provide under duress with questionable information was th issue....if he had indeed just provided the info in the beginning it wouldnt have blown to the proportion it did. missing the point IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE PROVIDES even AFTER providing the long form, people are tearing it to pieces to claim its not proof,,,they would do that no matter WHEN He had provided it because they have SINGLED HIM OUT,, incorrect its the false info contained in the document that doesnt match documented history that caused it......can you deny documented historical event not matching the online document?? Its about honesty which obviously no administration seems to understand not sure what 'documents' you are even referring to,,, Im doubtful someone looked up the certificate of another american with a kenyan parent at that time to verify that kenya doesnt match 'documented history' ,,but like I said,, people will continue to stretch for those potential tidbits,,,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 08:09 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html I think this should have been put to rest long ago, but the problem is, no other President has ever been in question. I have never understood why it's so hard for him to come up with a birth certificate. But he is the POTUS, don't you think he could at least come up with something? And democrats wonder why people never let this go. Articles like this do nothing more than toss fuel on the fire. that is incorrect peccy he disclosed his birth certificate AS DID THE STATE OF HAWAII back in 2009 but people werent satisfied because it wasnt a 'long form' this document he released in 2009 is the same SHORT FORM I used to get my passport and is proof of citizenship,,period but 'birthers' were not satisfied with it they insisted on seeing the 'long form' instead, to which I responded even then that even if he met that request it still would not be enough 'proof' that he was a natural born citizen/us citizen(not naturalized but at birth) and now that he showed the LONG FORM, just like I suspected and HE probably realized, they are also not satisfied with it because it is only a picture its as if they actually expect someone to take the ORIGINAL one from storage and personally knock on all their doors so they can personally inspect it it is beyond RIDICULOUS and embarassing for american history,,,, Incorrect he posted an admitted fake the hospital on what was posted didnt exist, the country of kenya was the british colony of kenya not kenya in 1961.....it didnt become Kenya until 1963 ,,see what I mean,, never ends,,,,, no i am saying what helped cause the controversy......i havent even seen the long form in my opinion his administration propelled the controversy rather than squash it in my opinion, his administration knew the controversy would continue regardless of what they did once they ALREADY fulfilled the initial request by providing the birth certificate,,, Ridiculous the refusal caused most of the controversy....just do it get it over with without causing a fuss and it goes away as always throughout history.....they handled it badly...period

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 08:11 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable Do you really doubt any other presidents citizenship? I dont doubt his...but what difference does that make? apparently others thought they had a legitimate reason to so much for the global age of travel, I better tell my daughter to prepare for the extra scrutiny because her father is british, and I will no doubt be suspected of ACTUALLY having her in Britain instead of america, even if she shows the same proof of citizenship required by any other citizen of the us when such proof is required for legal reason,,,, .. ridiculous,, If she plans on running for President just tell her to provide the documents without hassel and there wouldnt be further scrutiny.......to cause an issue then provide under duress with questionable information was th issue....if he had indeed just provided the info in the beginning it wouldnt have blown to the proportion it did. missing the point IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE PROVIDES even AFTER providing the long form, people are tearing it to pieces to claim its not proof,,,they would do that no matter WHEN He had provided it because they have SINGLED HIM OUT,, incorrect its the false info contained in the document that doesnt match documented history that caused it......can you deny documented historical event not matching the online document?? Its about honesty which obviously no administration seems to understand not sure what 'documents' you are even referring to,,, Im doubtful someone looked up the certificate of another american with a kenyan parent at that time to verify that kenya doesnt match 'documented history' ,,but like I said,, people will continue to stretch for those potential tidbits,,, Oh no they had McCains verfiedbefore they even let him run and it was the Democrats that pushed it on McCain

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 08:12 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html I think this should have been put to rest long ago, but the problem is, no other President has ever been in question. I have never understood why it's so hard for him to come up with a birth certificate. But he is the POTUS, don't you think he could at least come up with something? And democrats wonder why people never let this go. Articles like this do nothing more than toss fuel on the fire. that is incorrect peccy he disclosed his birth certificate AS DID THE STATE OF HAWAII back in 2009 but people werent satisfied because it wasnt a 'long form' this document he released in 2009 is the same SHORT FORM I used to get my passport and is proof of citizenship,,period but 'birthers' were not satisfied with it they insisted on seeing the 'long form' instead, to which I responded even then that even if he met that request it still would not be enough 'proof' that he was a natural born citizen/us citizen(not naturalized but at birth) and now that he showed the LONG FORM, just like I suspected and HE probably realized, they are also not satisfied with it because it is only a picture its as if they actually expect someone to take the ORIGINAL one from storage and personally knock on all their doors so they can personally inspect it it is beyond RIDICULOUS and embarassing for american history,,,, Incorrect he posted an admitted fake the hospital on what was posted didnt exist, the country of kenya was the british colony of kenya not kenya in 1961.....it didnt become Kenya until 1963 ,,see what I mean,, never ends,,,,, no i am saying what helped cause the controversy......i havent even seen the long form in my opinion his administration propelled the controversy rather than squash it in my opinion, his administration knew the controversy would continue regardless of what they did once they ALREADY fulfilled the initial request by providing the birth certificate,,, Ridiculous the refusal caused most of the controversy....just do it get it over with without causing a fuss and it goes away as always throughout history.....they handled it badly...period again, missing the point they did just DO IT but what they DID Wasnt good enough so they were HARASSED to do more and it wasnt wrong for them not to give in to HARASSMENT< its kind of like terrorism, once you oblige someone they will keep coming back with another demand, and another, and another

Sloe00 Joined Sat 03/03/12 Posts: 434	Wed 05/30/12 08:14 PM
Pure logic,,,,, Questions do not harm anyone if they have nothing to fear/hide. its not the question thats harmful, its the disparate treatment example if john applied for a position that requires a background check and bob applied for a position that requires a background check and they BOTH Supply that check, but then bob is asked to ALSO provide a SECONDARY background check although his initial check provides the same qualifying information as Johns thats HARMFUL and DISCRIMINATORY,,, no, that is wrong... you don't have a right to work for someone, it is a privilege. that is just a minority way of thinking, just to get what they want... Again, if one if honest, he/she has nothing to fear from document-digging.

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 08:14 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html I think this should have been put to rest long ago, but the problem is, no other President has ever been in question. I have never understood why it's so hard for him to come up with a birth certificate. But he is the POTUS, don't you think he could at least come up with something? And democrats wonder why people never let this go. Articles like this do nothing more than toss fuel on the fire. that is incorrect peccy he disclosed his birth certificate AS DID THE STATE OF HAWAII back in 2009 but people werent satisfied because it wasnt a 'long form' this document he released in 2009 is the same SHORT FORM I used to get my passport and is proof of citizenship,,period but 'birthers' were not satisfied with it they insisted on seeing the 'long form' instead, to which I responded even then that even if he met that request it still would not be enough 'proof' that he was a natural born citizen/us citizen(not naturalized but at birth) and now that he showed the LONG FORM, just like I suspected and HE probably realized, they are also not satisfied with it because it is only a picture its as if they actually expect someone to take the ORIGINAL one from storage and personally knock on all their doors so they can personally inspect it it is beyond RIDICULOUS and embarassing for american history,,,, Incorrect he posted an admitted fake the hospital on what was posted didnt exist, the country of kenya was the british colony of kenya not kenya in 1961.....it didnt become Kenya until 1963 ,,see what I mean,, never ends,,,,, no i am saying what helped cause the controversy......i havent even seen the long form in my opinion his administration propelled the controversy rather than squash it in my opinion, his administration knew the controversy would continue regardless of what they did once they ALREADY fulfilled the initial request by providing the birth certificate,,, Ridiculous the refusal caused most of the controversy....just do it get it over with without causing a fuss and it goes away as always throughout history.....they handled it badly...period again, missing the point they did just DO IT but what they DID Wasnt good enough so they were HARASSED to do more and it wasnt wrong for them not to give in to HARASSMENT< its kind of like terrorism, once you oblige someone they will keep coming back with another demand, and another, and another no they didnt he became President in 2008 it was asked for time and again during his campaign and even in the beginning of his Presidency and he didnt provide it for over a year!!! The isnt just providing it thats causing controversy....where McCain provided his during the Campaign itself as requested by the democrats.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 05/30/12 08:46 PM
here is an impressive list of barrys "firsts"... http://www.towncrierdubuque.com/the_town_crier/giving-dumbo-his-due

USmale47374 Joined Sun 06/24/07 Posts: 835	Wed 05/30/12 09:41 PM
As far as I'm concerned, birthers are thinly vailed racists who need to get over themselves. This is the United States of America. Racism is neither legal nor wanted here. Personlly I think that all racists should be deported to the moon where they could live happily with some of this year's Presidental candidates. You know what black people have in common with white people? They're all humans, biolgically identical. I grew up in a racist enviroment, and I'm sick of it! There's nothing wrong with President Obama. He's a very intelligent, accomplished, and loyal American, which is more than can be said of his detractors.