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The Constitution is a living document...YES.... subject to change... by popular vote, yes....
living document,, yes change by 'popular' vote,, no |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 05/22/12 02:31 PM
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The Constitution is a living document...YES.... subject to change... by popular vote, yes.... living document,, yes change by 'popular' vote,, no Another Obozo thing.... Congress is supposed to represent the people who elected them to those positions, NOT the bankers or crony capitalist, special interest influences! So, by POPULAR vote....YES! |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 05/22/12 02:34 PM
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The Constitution is a living document...YES.... subject to change... by popular vote, yes.... living document,, yes change by 'popular' vote,, no Another Obozo thing.... Congress is supposed to represent the people who elected them to those positions, NOT the bankers or crony capitalist, special interest influences! So, by POPULAR vote....YES! amendments (like the civil rights amendment( are not put to a popular vote,, so not really unless you mean a popular vote amongst the CONGRESS,, then yeah |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 05/22/12 02:43 PM
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The Constitution is a living document...YES.... subject to change... by popular vote, yes.... living document,, yes change by 'popular' vote,, no Another Obozo thing.... Congress is supposed to represent the people who elected them to those positions, NOT the bankers or crony capitalist, special interest influences! So, by POPULAR vote....YES! amendments are not put to a popular vote,, so not really unless you mean a popular vote amongst the CONGRESS,, then yeah If congress doesn't vote "for the people", then they need to find other work (hopefully NOT in politics!)! Therein lies the problem! People enter congress as representitives of the people, most are better off than the norm, lawyers and such, but they leave MILLIONAIRES, LIVING ON TAXPAYER DOLES! Congress hasn't represented the people for a verrrrrrrrrrrry long time! Thank goodness the Constitution states...."Congress shall pass NO laws......" Ron Paul is trying to fix that! |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 05/22/12 02:53 PM
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The Constitution is a living document...YES.... subject to change... by popular vote, yes.... living document,, yes change by 'popular' vote,, no Another Obozo thing.... Congress is supposed to represent the people who elected them to those positions, NOT the bankers or crony capitalist, special interest influences! So, by POPULAR vote....YES! amendments are not put to a popular vote,, so not really unless you mean a popular vote amongst the CONGRESS,, then yeah If congress doesn't vote "for the people", then they need to find other work (hopefully NOT in politics!)! Therein lies the problem! People enter congress as representitives of the people, most are better off than the norm, lawyers and such, but they leave MILLIONAIRES, LIVING ON TAXPAYER DOLES! Congress hasn't represented the people for a verrrrrrrrrrrry long time! Thank goodness the Constitution states...."Congress shall pass NO laws......" Ron Paul is trying to fix that! it represents people , but it doesnt represent ALL people because ALL people dont even agree about what they want ,,,, its the system we have that needs more citizen involvement, imho it doesnt need to be downgraded to allow fifty different entities to start taking us BACKwards in whatever directions they individually choose,,, thats the door RP is trying to open,, IMHO |
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If "backwards" takes us to freedom, then backwards we should go.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 05/22/12 03:23 PM
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If "backwards" takes us to freedom, then backwards we should go. but freedom is an illusion, because absolute power corrupts absolutely, and when you give absolute power to some groups other groups will invariably be left out of the 'freedom' those with authority will enjoy,,, there is no end point/absolute called 'freedom' all we have are different degrees of freedom, and I think far more people will end up with far less freedom in an attempt at some idealistic attempt to give absolute freedom t all people.. just my opinion |
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If "backwards" takes us to freedom, then backwards we should go. but freedom is an illusion, because absolute power corrupts absolutely, and when you give absolute power to some groups other groups will invariably be left out of the 'freedom' those with authority will enjoy,,, there is no end point/absolute called 'freedom' all we have are different degrees of freedom, and I think far more people will end up with far less freedom in an attempt at some idealistic attempt to give absolute freedom t all people.. just my opinion Wonder if that's what the south told the slaves? |
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If "backwards" takes us to freedom, then backwards we should go. but freedom is an illusion, because absolute power corrupts absolutely, and when you give absolute power to some groups other groups will invariably be left out of the 'freedom' those with authority will enjoy,,, there is no end point/absolute called 'freedom' all we have are different degrees of freedom, and I think far more people will end up with far less freedom in an attempt at some idealistic attempt to give absolute freedom t all people.. just my opinion Wonder if that's what the south told the slaves? |
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Blah blah blah.
People should have basic human rights. The right to the pursuit of happiness ETC. People are losing their homes because of the central bank, the FED, and the national debt. The homeless are not allowed to stay... anywhere where they can be seen. They can't get jobs. You have to have a licence to do just about everything or sell anything. You can't grow crops and sell them, the government controls that. People should have the right to live and the right to govern themselves to a certain extent. Freedom is NOT an illusion. It is a state of mind. I am free. I think what I want. |
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If "backwards" takes us to freedom, then backwards we should go. but freedom is an illusion, because absolute power corrupts absolutely, and when you give absolute power to some groups other groups will invariably be left out of the 'freedom' those with authority will enjoy,,, there is no end point/absolute called 'freedom' all we have are different degrees of freedom, and I think far more people will end up with far less freedom in an attempt at some idealistic attempt to give absolute freedom t all people.. just my opinion Wonder if that's what the south told the slaves? probably as doubtful as explaining freedom to any other property,,,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 05/22/12 03:35 PM
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Blah blah blah. People should have basic human rights. The right to the pursuit of happiness ETC. People are losing their homes because of the central bank, the FED, and the national debt. The homeless are not allowed to stay... anywhere where they can be seen. They can't get jobs. You have to have a licence to do just about everything or sell anything. You can't grow crops and sell them, the government controls that. People should have the right to live and the right to govern themselves to a certain extent. Freedom is NOT an illusion. It is a state of mind. I am free. I think what I want. and who enforces what 'basic human rights' are or how to ensure them? I am free too. so why do we keep talking about taking it 'back' to freedom? |
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Blah blah blah. People should have basic human rights. The right to the pursuit of happiness ETC. People are losing their homes because of the central bank, the FED, and the national debt. The homeless are not allowed to stay... anywhere where they can be seen. They can't get jobs. You have to have a licence to do just about everything or sell anything. You can't grow crops and sell them, the government controls that. People should have the right to live and the right to govern themselves to a certain extent. Freedom is NOT an illusion. It is a state of mind. I am free. I think what I want. and who enforces what 'basic human rights' are or how to ensure them? I am free too. so why do we keep talking about taking it 'back' to freedom? Freedom must be taken. Not given or enforced. The People are the power. Not the government. |
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In exchange for "safety" we have given up our basic rights and our liberty. There will come a time when men in black uniforms will simply arrest people off the street and you will never see or hear from them again. Alas, they are doing it now in London. They have the power to do it here now. |
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In exchange for "safety" we have given up our basic rights and our liberty. There will come a time when men in black uniforms will simply arrest people off the street and you will never see or hear from them again. Alas, they are doing it now in London. They have the power to do it here now. sorry, i havent 'given up' any 'basic right' for safety,,, perhaps its why I cant relate,,, the men in black theory has been around for a long time, and the men in black have always had that power,,,, I concern myself with it as much as I do the end of the world,, that is, I dont see it in the near future,, although it will inevitably happen,,, |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Tue 05/22/12 04:05 PM
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yep, and we can take it back to when we had the north and the confederacy GO STATES RIGHTS<,,YEAH!!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Brandeis 50 laboratories of democracy. States rights are vital to our way of life and this had been acknowledge throughout our history. You need to brush up on your history. sorry, i havent 'given up' any 'basic right' for safety,,, perhaps its why I cant relate,,, the men in black theory has been around for a long time, and the men in black have always had that power,,,, I concern myself with it as much as I do the end of the world,, that is, I dont see it in the near future,, although it will inevitably happen,,, |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 05/22/12 04:43 PM
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Blah blah blah. People should have basic human rights. The right to the pursuit of happiness ETC. People are losing their homes because of the central bank, the FED, and the national debt. The homeless are not allowed to stay... anywhere where they can be seen. They can't get jobs. You have to have a licence to do just about everything or sell anything. You can't grow crops and sell them, the government controls that. People should have the right to live and the right to govern themselves to a certain extent. Freedom is NOT an illusion. It is a state of mind. I am free. I think what I want. and who enforces what 'basic human rights' are or how to ensure them? I am free too. so why do we keep talking about taking it 'back' to freedom? You only possess the illusion of freedom. If you have never had to worry about something you have done, or think you might like to do, you're NOT living! You can't use beaches as you wish to enjoy them, sleep when and where you are tired without harrassment, own a pet without a medical document, take life saving drugs becaues a big pharma company doesn't hold the patent, deny medical proceedures you don't want because the gov't knows what's best for you! You live an illusion of freedom until your turn comes around, and you are screwed, because someone elses illusion caused them not to voice against something that didn't affect them. An example... a small community I have lived in in Oregon. As the housing market boomed, people in CA sold their homes for millions, and moved north to Oregon, buying large acerages of farm lands, NOT to farm and produce, but for the peace of remote suburbia. Suddenly prices rose as demands increased, votes for childrens opportunities and activity centers, school athletic programs, tourist enhancements....ALL failed by the influence of the new "voters" who had no desire to pay the taxes for such things, although the projects were needed and desired by locals, had awaited community funding for years, and the population base funds to support them. Local farmers were gone, along with cheap fresh produce and meats. Business failed as people were forced to leave to find employment, schools lost equal funding by failing to meet gov't guidelines... A nice community was destroyed! You see, BLM (Bureau Of Land Management) would not let the local townships incorporate, and the locals had no recourse by local commitee to contest the vote. It is now like California to live there, incorporated, in foreclosure yet again as those who bought homes can't now afford them. The state could do nothing to stop this under the fed rules! I'm all for states rights and getting the gov't out of the micro management business!! |
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yep, and we can take it back to when we had the north and the confederacy GO STATES RIGHTS<,,YEAH!!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Brandeis 50 laboratories of democracy. States rights are vital to our way of life and this had been acknowledge throughout our history. You need to brush up on your history. sorry, i havent 'given up' any 'basic right' for safety,,, perhaps its why I cant relate,,, the men in black theory has been around for a long time, and the men in black have always had that power,,,, I concern myself with it as much as I do the end of the world,, that is, I dont see it in the near future,, although it will inevitably happen,,, please enlighten me what I , as a female and an african american have 'given up' that was a 'basic right'? |
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Blah blah blah. People should have basic human rights. The right to the pursuit of happiness ETC. People are losing their homes because of the central bank, the FED, and the national debt. The homeless are not allowed to stay... anywhere where they can be seen. They can't get jobs. You have to have a licence to do just about everything or sell anything. You can't grow crops and sell them, the government controls that. People should have the right to live and the right to govern themselves to a certain extent. Freedom is NOT an illusion. It is a state of mind. I am free. I think what I want. and who enforces what 'basic human rights' are or how to ensure them? I am free too. so why do we keep talking about taking it 'back' to freedom? You only possess the illusion of freedom. If you have never had to worry about something you have done, or think you might like to do, you're NOT living! You can't use beaches as you wish to enjoy them, sleep when and where you are tired without harrassment, own a pet without a medical document, take life saving drugs becaues a big pharma company doesn't hold the patent, deny medical proceedures you don't want because the gov't knows what's best for you! You live an illusion of freedom until your turn comes around, and you are screwed, because someone elses illusion caused them not to voice against something that didn't affect them. An example... a small community I have lived in in Oregon. As the housing market boomed, people in CA sold their homes for millions, and moved north to Oregon, buying large acerages of farm lands, NOT to farm and produce, but for the peace of remote suburbia. Suddenly prices rose as demands increased, votes for childrens opportunities and activity centers, school athletic programs, tourist enhancements....ALL failed by the influence of the new "voters" who had no desire to pay the taxes for such things, although the projects were needed and desired by locals, had awaited community funding for years, and the population base funds to support them. Local farmers were gone, along with cheap fresh produce and meats. Business failed as people were forced to leave to find employment, schools lost equal funding by failing to meet gov't guidelines... A nice community was destroyed! You see, BLM (Bureau Of Land Management) would not let the local townships incorporate, and the locals had no recourse by local commitee to contest the vote. It is now like California to live there, incorporated, in foreclosure yet again as those who bought homes can't now afford them. The state could do nothing to stop this under the fed rules! I'm all for states rights and getting the gov't out of the micro management business!! because state governments would never , likewise, keep local communities from making their own rules,,, huh? |
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Actually the state allows home rule cities to have their own city ordinances, rules and laws.
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