I would love for additional evidence to seal the deal in regards to this case, it would put to rest all of the absurd notions about the law allowing people to slay over nothing.

My only dog in the fight is to shut up the anti 2A garbage that has been going around about this case, and making sure people are aware of how innocent until proven guilty works. Personally I think that is easier done if Zimmerman DID do something terrible wrong, and it can be conclusively shown via evidence and not speculation.

fortunately 'terribly wrong' doesnt factor into criminal definitions,,,and is rarely CONCLUSIVELY proven,,,,

usually blanks have to be filled in somehow,,,


and thats what happens in trials with juries, as well as disclosure of tangibles as evidence, or witness testimonies...

Your really good at missing points lady.

I got it

your goal is to withhold assumption until after the case , and apparently opinion is often confused with assumption in this thread

and it wont be an open and shut case because of not enough PHYSICAL evidence to show everything that happened that night

,,,I did get the point,,,

how can assumption be withheld until after the case?
after the case there won't be an need to assume what happened

it was an open and shut case. no physical evidence means no case.
if there is no evidence, than the only testimony would be from those involved. one cannot be questioned, so that leaves only one side of the story to go on. a case can't go on what could have happened, or would have happened, or should have happened. if the story doesn't line up with what probably happened, we are still stuck with a one sided story about what really happened

there is physical evidence

one dead unarmed boy
one armed adult
phone calls which set up motive
phone calls which set up opportunity
evidence of an altercation complete with 'witnesses

,,,that is all evidence, its filling in the blanks that makes the case,,,,and what 'probably' happened will be a decision for the jury

why you constantly pick and choose what part of a post you want to respond to is obvious. you have made up your mind about the case, and everything you post is an attempt to justify your assumption

you stated there is not enough physical evidence to show everything that happened that night, but you are POSITIVE an adult shot and killed a boy unjustifiably. you say that zimmerman was not beaten "enough" to need to use lethal force. you seem to know both martin's and zimmerman's thoughts and premeditated actions

Hey, bring this trial to Arizona. We don't tolerate beatings as such nor do we fear street toughs.

firstly, im not PICKING and CHOOSING

the post had one question and one statement that I disagreed with, I addressed the statement

'IT WAS AN OPEN AND SHUT CASE, NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE MEANS NO CASE'

secondly, I am not POSITIVE of anything,

I believe and am of the opinion, based upon the motive, opportunty and past behavior of Zimmerman that he felt entitled to follow and interrogate a boy who was trying to get AWAY from him

and because of THAT an altercation began

I also dont believe that the scrapes on his face match the story of him being pummeled 'MMA style' nor that fighting on concrete which could indeed cause death for anyone unfortuante enough to hit their head against it hard enough is reasonable cause to fear death against a skinny teenager fighting with his HANDS And not able to inflict more damage than some scrapes to your face,,,,

this is what I BELIEVE,,

the JURY will listen to all the testimony and evidence and decide what they believe to be the truth,,,

I dont think they fear them either, judging by the things being sold to mock the boys death or the attacks that have likewise happened against black people in a town peppered with both black and white 'thugs'

Yep. Just hope the law is "polished not abolished" and he is found guilty of felonious cowardice. Odds are, a few punches in the head, or smacking of the head to the concrete won't kill you (because you have the option, to run away), but a bullet to anywhere center mass or head, will end your days (can't dodge bullets).
People write such idiotic rationalizations. We've already given cops the right to blast away at us with the least provocation. Keep it up, and any citizen without a record, will be able to execute anyone who annoys him. To quote Peter Griffen, "you people grind my gears".

polished, not abolished,,

nice slogan

Wowzers!!!!

We have here, professional crime scene investigators and a physics pro.

Tell me, how much exerted force does it take to crack open a skull and, at what point are we allowed to defend our lives with the force needed to stop an attacker?

I can see it now. Some dudes Mother is getting beat down. Not only does he say,"Don't defend yerself Ma." He also wants to give his Mom's attacker more power to assault her.

Gotta' say, them progressives are waayyyyy out there.

Wonder how folks would react if ole David Duke was bellerin' "Justice for Zimbob?"

The same as when Not-so-sharp-ton howls it??

OR, at what point during a fight that happens to be on concrete does one have the right to pull a gun and end a life completely because of the 'fear' that their head may be cracked open?


or at what point is that such a certainty in a fight that is at least partially on the GRASS (remember the initial report said his jacket was wet and GRASSY on the back?) when one combatant is 5 foot 8 and 185 pounds and the other is 5 foot 11 and 158 pounds?


or how well can you trust the survivors version ? (remember he said his head was being repeatedly POUNDED on the ground? wounds certainly dont seem to match that description? remember the supportive witness actually said he was being pummelled MMA style , also not matching the injuries photographed?)

questions for a JURY,, thank goodness this is a case that will get to see one,,,,with ACTUAL experts on each side to give some answers to those questions,,,

well they support Ron Paul dont they? In spite of Dukes support?

Im sure they would continue to support Z in spite of it too, and those who feel the kid was unjustly killed would see that support as insulting just like those who see Dukes support of Paul insulting,,,