What makes it false is that the Bible does NOT specify a world-wide flood. Get out your concordance and learn something that I'm sure you didn't know.



Psalm 104:5-10
King James Version (KJV)

5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.

7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

10 He sendeth the springs into the valleys, which run among the hills.

Peter, you must use caution in refuting the Word of God and certainly declaring it as being filled with myths.

If you have decided that the bible is untrue, then you are in the wrong forum.

You should return to the religious debate room.

Christians are not doubtful of God's Truth.
The Word says to "rightly divid the word of truth" not to dissect God's Word for the soul purpose of searching out inconsistences.
And not to accuse the brethren. That's satans job.

If you love the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob then don't cast doubts on those who trust the wholeness of His inspired Word.

The Word of God is given for instruction in godly living and for correction against ungodliness.
Not for inciting disputes.

Your "personal" opinion of "hell" should not override the warnings Jesus gave men on the seriousness of that "place".


I believe this passage of scripture may be applied to your argumentive
ploys.

Romans 14:
Principles of Conscience

1, Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2, For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3, Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth:
for God hath received him.
4, Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.
Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6, He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day,
to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not,
to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7, For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8, For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore,
or die, we are the Lord's.
9, For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10, But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11, For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12, So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13, Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock
or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14, I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself:
but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15, But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably.
Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16, Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17, For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink;
but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18, For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19, Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20, For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure;
but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21, It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth,
or is offended, or is made weak.
22, Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God.
Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23, And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Hey Elihu,
Those verses actually describes the creation.

Had you used your concordance, you would have seen that "artz" (earth) has multiple meanings throughout Genesis.

Genesis 7:1-24
New King James Version (NKJV)

The Great Flood

1Then the Lord said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. 2 You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female; 3 also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth. 4 For after seven more days I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.” 5 And Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him. 6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.

7 So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean animals, of animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, 9 two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.

13 On the very same day Noah and Noah’s sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark— 14 they and every beast after its kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort. 15 And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life. 16 So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in.

17 Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. 18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. 21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit[a] of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

Peter Pan, what part of this passage of scripture tells you there was no world wide flood?

If the account in Psalm 104 is a creation story, how is it the waters are covering the earth again in Genesis 7 when in Psalm 104 the Lord says it will not happen again.

Dear Peter Pan,it appears that like your name sake you are away with the fairies on this one!

Get a revelation.

Elihu

Cerise, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I do not refute the "Word of God", only the doctrines of men.

"Filled with myths" is your words, NOT mine. Please don't bear false witness against me. Pay attention to what I write.

If, the Bible were 100% true, there would be no need to "rightly divide the word of truth", correct? If the bible were 100% true, there would be no need of a warning to NOT change the Book of Revelation. If the Bible were 100% true, Yeshua would not have spoken out against the "Law of Moses" nor called the scribes and Pharisees hypocrites.

Well its a good thing I have the Holy Spirit to lead me into all Truth and I don't have to rely on fairy tales. I can trust Him, and will trust Him to do exactly as He said He would do and that is this; if I lean not on my own understanding and trust in the Lord with all my heart as I commit my way unto Him, He will continue to reveal the Truth to me.

So far I can see that you are leaning on your own understanding for the revelation of God is something you are presently arguing with, and until you humble yourself under His mighty hand you will continue to be deceived and go about deceiving.

Peace to you in Jesus Name

Get a revelation.

Elihu

Gee whiz, why is it that so many people like to misrepresent my words? For those who trouble understanding modern English, I'll repost what I wrote earlier.



All I said was that the Bible did not specify a world-wide flood, I never said it never happened. It may very well have covered the entire Earth and the Psalm is incorrect or the Psalm could be true and the account in Genesis was mistranslated.

BTW, don't think I missed your numerous lame attempts at insulting me.

Proverbs 14:15
King James Version (KJV)

15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

1 Corinthians 4:3-7
New International Version (NIV)

3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. 7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

And another thing Peter.

When the Lord called Herod a fox, He wasn't insulting Him, He was suitably describing His character.

Likewise when the Lord called the Pharisees 'whitewashed sepulchers', He wasn't insulting them but stating in graphic language the state of their being. He never stopped loving them, even when He was angrily grieved at their hardness of heart.

However, they were offended at Him because they didn't like the truth.

Likewise with my comments about you. If you consider them insulting, that is your problem in that you have judged me as one who insults you.

Peace to you in Jesus Name

Elihu, for me to be insulted, I must first seek the praises of men which I do NOT! That does not mean I do not know what your intentions were and continue to be.

I should not have to tell someone with 20+ years of ministry that there are separate words used for earth and the world. The word(s) translated into "earth" are varied in meanings.

You are the one who said the flood story depicted a world-wide flood, not I. To state that with certainty is false im my eyes when the Bible does not support that view when taken in context with Psalm 104.

But anyways, back to the myth of Hades. What Biblical support do you have for believing and supporting a Greek myth???

Peterpan69, you are the ONLY person in this thread spreading myths!
You don't come to this forum for the purpose of fellowship; you come to complicate the Word of God,
to set traps and to destroy the faith of believers.
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Apostle Paul to Timothy:

2 Timothy 2:
Be Strong

1, Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

2, And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men,
who shall be able to teach others also.

3, Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

4, No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;
that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

5, And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

6, The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.

7, Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

8, Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

9, Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.

10, Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation
which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

11, It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

12, If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

13, If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

14, Of these things put them in remembrance,
charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit,
but to the subverting of the hearers.

15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16, But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17, And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18, Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already;
and overthrow the faith of some.

19, Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.
And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20, But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth;
and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21, If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified,
and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

22, Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace,
with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

23, But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

26, And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

The lyrics are thought provoking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYSFQPZwMaY

{"The lyrics are thought provoking".}

Only if you have NO faith in the salvation of the Lord!
So many, so easily influenced and eager to find gurus; rather than trust God's Word!
Lord, open blind eyes!

This is a "Christian" forum!
The Gospel will not be compromised here!
If you don't agree with God's Word, the General Religion Forum is next door!

Exactly!

Now will you take your pagan doctrines and be gone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades#Realm_of_Hades

Hell is a temporary holding place for souls awaiting Judgement. Which can be explicitly seen in the following verse.

Revelation 20:13
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And hell generally referring to the grave would be absolutely accurate. As Satan is in hell, fire and brimstone. What is in the center of our Earth? Is it not fire and brimstone? Or well molten lava? Hell is not permanent, it is merely a holding place awaiting Judgement. Thus why Satan and his Angels are their waiting for their eternal judgement come judgement time where they will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


And on Jesus being in Hell, the grave, center of the Earth -

Acts 2:31
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Acts 2:27
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

The word "hell" is not translated from the same word. Sometimes that exact same word is translated to grave depending on the context of what is being said.

Matthew 12:40
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

And to shed a little light on the subject, here are the original words with their translations.

HADES {hah'-dace} (as negative particle) hell, grave

name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
later use of this word: the grave, death, hell
In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits.
Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place.
GEENNA {gheh'-en-nah} hell, hell fire

Hell is the place of the future punishment call "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.
SHEOL {sheh-ole'}

sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
place of no return
without praise of God
wicked sent there for punishment
righteous not abandoned to it

If you'll notice each word that translated into hell, is centered around abode of the dead or grave.

No, you couldn't be more wrong. Your demeanor is that of someone who thinks they know everything about a topic while your attitude would indicate that you know little.

I am pretty sure no two Christians on this planet have the same vision of hell and the meaning of the song lyrics seem to have escaped you completely... if you even bothered to study them.

It is the generally accepted belief of most biblical scholars that if Jesus would return today he would not recognize himself in modern teaching. But remember that he gave you two commandments: 1. love G-d and 2. love one another.

It is good to debate things, it helps people grow. Even if we disagree on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, we should remember to love G-d and love one another. That after all is the point, not whether my take of the bible is more truer than yours, that is not as important as what is in your heart.

Sometimes I am reminded of this when I work with addicts, who tell me they are on such and such a step of the 12 steps and all I think of is that- I think they skipped the first one.