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This is something I really can't comprehend..
If Bush went to all the trouble of having tons of explosives planted in the WTC to collapse the towers and building 7 for the sole purpose of creating a wave of support for the invasion of Iraq. Why in the hell didn't he have the same nefarious group fly into Iraq after the initial combat operations were over and plant a few thousand barrels of chemical and biological weapons in some remote base where they would then be found by our troops and his invasion vindicated? There is no plausible scenario for him to "pull" the WTC complex to only then not bother to set up Iraq. Did he not surmise that missing WMD was going to be a bit of a problem? Planting WMD in Iraq would be the easiest part of this plot. |
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This is something I really can't comprehend.. If Bush went to all the trouble of having tons of explosives planted in the WTC to collapse the towers and building 7 for the sole purpose of creating a wave of support for the invasion of Iraq. Why in the hell didn't he have the same nefarious group fly into Iraq after the initial combat operations were over and plant a few thousand barrels of chemical and biological weapons in some remote base where they would then be found by our troops and his invasion vindicated? There is no plausible scenario for him to "pull" the WTC complex to only then not bother to set up Iraq. Did he not surmise that missing WMD was going to be a bit of a problem? Planting WMD in Iraq would be the easiest part of this plot. 
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This is something I really can't comprehend.. If Bush went to all the trouble of having tons of explosives planted in the WTC to collapse the towers and building 7 for the sole purpose of creating a wave of support for the invasion of Iraq. Why in the hell didn't he have the same nefarious group fly into Iraq after the initial combat operations were over and plant a few thousand barrels of chemical and biological weapons in some remote base where they would then be found by our troops and his invasion vindicated? There is no plausible scenario for him to "pull" the WTC complex to only then not bother to set up Iraq. Did he not surmise that missing WMD was going to be a bit of a problem? Planting WMD in Iraq would be the easiest part of this plot. But we are the uninformed loons.. hahahaha |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents. Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. He was talking about people like you who "claim they did their research" but just reported the "truther" line. I don't really care what you think he was talking about. I don't believe every "truther" theory out there. You seem to think I do. I just don't believe the official story. It is the worst theory of all. It is NOT THE TRUTH. IT IS A FABRICATION AND A FRAUD. Not Beliefs,not feelings,but Objective proof! Well that was not a job that was assigned to ME. It was assigned to ASCE investigators to find the truth, and they said that they did not even look for evidence of explosives. The dust and debris and the high damage was the first clue. They failed, not me. With the Fire that went on it wasn't necessary to search for Explosives! They would have all cooked off,and definitely would not have been useful in the Fall of the Building,since that would require an exact Sequence,not random explosions! Like I said,Objective proof,not Feelings! That is objective proof and it is textbook signs of explosives that requires investigators search for explosives according to the manual put out by the National Fire Protection Association NFPA called "Guide for fire and Explosion Investigations." ASCE said that they did not even look for explosive evidence. How would you expect them to find any if they did not look? |
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This is something I really can't comprehend.. If Bush went to all the trouble of having tons of explosives planted in the WTC to collapse the towers and building 7 for the sole purpose of creating a wave of support for the invasion of Iraq. Why in the hell didn't he have the same nefarious group fly into Iraq after the initial combat operations were over and plant a few thousand barrels of chemical and biological weapons in some remote base where they would then be found by our troops and his invasion vindicated? You are assuming the wrong motive for 9/11. It was not specifically to create a wave of support for the invasion of Iraq. I don't know where that ridiculous theory came from. It does not even make a lot of sense. One motive, and a very obvious one, is that 9/11 was the primary event that allowed the Patriot act to pass very quickly. The patriot act gives the office of the President sweeping powers which will pave the way for the future dictator of this country and maybe the world. It had nothing to do with Iraq. That was a bonus for Bush and Americans were riled up and just wanted to kick some butt. People are so easy to manipulate into war.... its sad. There is no plausible scenario for him to "pull" the WTC complex to only then not bother to set up Iraq. Did he not surmise that missing WMD was going to be a bit of a problem? Planting WMD in Iraq would be the easiest part of this plot. The Bush administration was not smart enough to plan that. They were not smart enough to plan 9/11 either. They were just following orders from the COMPANY. THE COMPANY is responsible for the attack on 9/11. |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents. Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. He was talking about people like you who "claim they did their research" but just reported the "truther" line. I don't really care what you think he was talking about. I don't believe every "truther" theory out there. You seem to think I do. I just don't believe the official story. It is the worst theory of all. It is NOT THE TRUTH. IT IS A FABRICATION AND A FRAUD. Not Beliefs,not feelings,but Objective proof! Well that was not a job that was assigned to ME. It was assigned to ASCE investigators to find the truth, and they said that they did not even look for evidence of explosives. The dust and debris and the high damage was the first clue. They failed, not me. With the Fire that went on it wasn't necessary to search for Explosives! They would have all cooked off,and definitely would not have been useful in the Fall of the Building,since that would require an exact Sequence,not random explosions! Like I said,Objective proof,not Feelings! That is objective proof and it is textbook signs of explosives that requires investigators search for explosives according to the manual put out by the National Fire Protection Association NFPA called "Guide for fire and Explosion Investigations." ASCE said that they did not even look for explosive evidence. How would you expect them to find any if they did not look? Just for the record, you have never used the term ASCE properly in context yet. You really shouldn't post about things you don't understand. |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents. Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. He was talking about people like you who "claim they did their research" but just reported the "truther" line. I don't really care what you think he was talking about. I don't believe every "truther" theory out there. You seem to think I do. I just don't believe the official story. It is the worst theory of all. It is NOT THE TRUTH. IT IS A FABRICATION AND A FRAUD. Not Beliefs,not feelings,but Objective proof! Well that was not a job that was assigned to ME. It was assigned to ASCE investigators to find the truth, and they said that they did not even look for evidence of explosives. The dust and debris and the high damage was the first clue. They failed, not me. With the Fire that went on it wasn't necessary to search for Explosives! They would have all cooked off,and definitely would not have been useful in the Fall of the Building,since that would require an exact Sequence,not random explosions! Like I said,Objective proof,not Feelings! That is objective proof and it is textbook signs of explosives that requires investigators search for explosives according to the manual put out by the National Fire Protection Association NFPA called "Guide for fire and Explosion Investigations." ASCE said that they did not even look for explosive evidence. How would you expect them to find any if they did not look? Just for the record, you have never used the term ASCE properly in context yet. You really shouldn't post about things you don't understand. There he goes again. That's all you can say isn't it? You always try to make this about the messenger so you don't have to actually say anything about the actual topic. Get over yourself. |
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This is something I really can't comprehend.. If Bush went to all the trouble of having tons of explosives planted in the WTC to collapse the towers and building 7 for the sole purpose of creating a wave of support for the invasion of Iraq. Why in the hell didn't he have the same nefarious group fly into Iraq after the initial combat operations were over and plant a few thousand barrels of chemical and biological weapons in some remote base where they would then be found by our troops and his invasion vindicated? You are assuming the wrong motive for 9/11. It was not specifically to create a wave of support for the invasion of Iraq. I don't know where that ridiculous theory came from. It does not even make a lot of sense. One motive, and a very obvious one, is that 9/11 was the primary event that allowed the Patriot act to pass very quickly. The patriot act gives the office of the President sweeping powers which will pave the way for the future dictator of this country and maybe the world. It had nothing to do with Iraq. That was a bonus for Bush and Americans were riled up and just wanted to kick some butt. People are so easy to manipulate into war.... its sad. There is no plausible scenario for him to "pull" the WTC complex to only then not bother to set up Iraq. Did he not surmise that missing WMD was going to be a bit of a problem? Planting WMD in Iraq would be the easiest part of this plot. The Bush administration was not smart enough to plan that. They were not smart enough to plan 9/11 either. They were just following orders from the COMPANY. THE COMPANY is responsible for the attack on 9/11. The Patriot Act? You want me to believe that the world cabal of elite coerced thousands of people to cover up 9-11 for the fning Patriot Act? You can't be fning serious.. |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents. Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. He was talking about people like you who "claim they did their research" but just reported the "truther" line. I don't really care what you think he was talking about. I don't believe every "truther" theory out there. You seem to think I do. I just don't believe the official story. It is the worst theory of all. It is NOT THE TRUTH. IT IS A FABRICATION AND A FRAUD. Not Beliefs,not feelings,but Objective proof! Well that was not a job that was assigned to ME. It was assigned to ASCE investigators to find the truth, and they said that they did not even look for evidence of explosives. The dust and debris and the high damage was the first clue. They failed, not me. With the Fire that went on it wasn't necessary to search for Explosives! They would have all cooked off,and definitely would not have been useful in the Fall of the Building,since that would require an exact Sequence,not random explosions! Like I said,Objective proof,not Feelings! That is objective proof and it is textbook signs of explosives that requires investigators search for explosives according to the manual put out by the National Fire Protection Association NFPA called "Guide for fire and Explosion Investigations." ASCE said that they did not even look for explosive evidence. How would you expect them to find any if they did not look? Just for the record, you have never used the term ASCE properly in context yet. You really shouldn't post about things you don't understand. There he goes again. That's all you can say isn't it? You always try to make this about the messenger so you don't have to actually say anything about the actual topic. Get over yourself. Actually I have posted the actual science and explained it. You just make up lie after lie and can't even get the context of the wording properly. The post about the Albany chapter of "truther" discusses specifically the points you keep making over and over and it explains how absurd it is. There is no evidence of explosives and anyone who took the time to "investigate explosives" would be a dumbazz. Like the Albany chapter said, "No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers." but you just keep putting out the lies. Of course I expected you to run from it. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 04/22/12 09:21 PM
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"No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers." but you just keep putting out the lies.  That is a blatant obvious ridiculous bald faced lie. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 04/22/12 09:26 PM
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Actually I have posted the actual science and explained it. When? Where? Two years ago? Sorry all I remember is you posting some alleged peer review argument which you misread and completely misinterpreted. NIST did not ever present its finding for a real peer review and they never acknowledge any critics of their report either. They were not peer reviewed at all. So much for their report.   BYE
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Actually I have posted the actual science and explained it. When? Where? Two years ago? Sorry all I remember is you posting some alleged peer review argument which you misread and completely misinterpreted. NIST did not ever present its finding for a real peer review and they never acknowledge any critics of their report either. They were not peer reviewed at all. So much for their report. BYE Fire and Explosives do not Co-Exist! Test you can do yourself! Put a goodsized Firecracker on your Stove and turn that dang thing on,or throw a few Shells in a Pot and start cooking it! 
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This is something I really can't comprehend.. If Bush went to all the trouble of having tons of explosives planted in the WTC to collapse the towers and building 7 for the sole purpose of creating a wave of support for the invasion of Iraq. Why in the hell didn't he have the same nefarious group fly into Iraq after the initial combat operations were over and plant a few thousand barrels of chemical and biological weapons in some remote base where they would then be found by our troops and his invasion vindicated? There is no plausible scenario for him to "pull" the WTC complex to only then not bother to set up Iraq. Did he not surmise that missing WMD was going to be a bit of a problem? Planting WMD in Iraq would be the easiest part of this plot. US tried to plant WMDs, failed: whistleblower Daily Times Monitor According to a stunning report posted by a retired Navy Lt Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department (DoD), the Bush administration’s assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plan to “plant” WMDs inside the country. Nelda Rogers, the Pentagon whistleblower, claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by “friendly fire”, the Environmentalists Against War report. Nelda Rogers is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the DoD. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq. According to Al Martin Raw.com, “Ms Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.” http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-8-2003_pg1_9 |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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This is something I really can't comprehend.. If Bush went to all the trouble of having tons of explosives planted in the WTC to collapse the towers and building 7 for the sole purpose of creating a wave of support for the invasion of Iraq. Why in the hell didn't he have the same nefarious group fly into Iraq after the initial combat operations were over and plant a few thousand barrels of chemical and biological weapons in some remote base where they would then be found by our troops and his invasion vindicated? There is no plausible scenario for him to "pull" the WTC complex to only then not bother to set up Iraq. Did he not surmise that missing WMD was going to be a bit of a problem? Planting WMD in Iraq would be the easiest part of this plot. US tried to plant WMDs, failed: whistleblower Daily Times Monitor According to a stunning report posted by a retired Navy Lt Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department (DoD), the Bush administration’s assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plan to “plant” WMDs inside the country. Nelda Rogers, the Pentagon whistleblower, claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by “friendly fire”, the Environmentalists Against War report. Nelda Rogers is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the DoD. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq. According to Al Martin Raw.com, “Ms Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.” http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-8-2003_pg1_9 And guess who picked it up? RENSE! Nine year old Story! Conveniently taken out by Friendly Fire! Conspiracy-Central! Forgot Democratic Underbelly! Make that Underground! and no actual INFO on the supposedly to be planted WMD! then you have Al Martin,who maintains a Conspiracy-Site! Al Martin Raw-The Conspiracy-Planet! 
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But we are the uninformed loons.. hahahaha As far as our Governments are concerned we are all uninformed. Some of us Question that information.  Others simply accept what they are told. |
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But we are the uninformed loons.. hahahaha As far as our Governments are concerned we are all uninformed. Some of us Question that information. Others simply accept what they are told. We can see the dysfunctional, incompetent nature of government on a daily basis. To think that these people could possibly work something out on such a large scale in such a short time is just ridiculous.. I suppose that is where the cabal of world events controlling elite comes in.. hahaha |
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The loose affiliation of millionaires and billionaires have a vested interest in keeping us in line, that is a given.
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The loose affiliation of millionaires and billionaires have a vested interest in keeping us in line, that is a given.
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The loose affiliation of millionaires and billionaires have a vested interest in keeping us in line, that is a given. This makes no sense.. If they wanted to keep their power and status it would be much easier to do things the right way. They are outnumbered 8 billion to what a few million? You think their goal is piss off the entire planet so one day there is a massive insurrection and they end up with their heads on a pike? It is not like there aren't lists available of who the richest people are.. Do they have spaceships that are going to fly them to mars in case of revolt? Give me a break.. |
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The loose affiliation of millionaires and billionaires have a vested interest in keeping us in line, that is a given. This makes no sense.. If they wanted to keep their power and status it would be much easier to do things the right way. They are outnumbered 8 billion to what a few million? You think their goal is piss off the entire planet so one day there is a massive insurrection and they end up with their heads on a pike? It is not like there aren't lists available of who the richest people are.. Do they have spaceships that are going to fly them to mars in case of revolt? Give me a break.. They have spaceships? Of course! It all makes sense now! No wonder Obama canceled the Manned Space Program! The reality is the "truthers" are either at the top, making money on DVDs, tee shirts, and donations or at the bottom spreading dumbazz theories that no intelligent person could believe. I'll post the ex truther's resignation letter again just because it tells so much about the ones on here who are either at the top making money or at the bottom spreading the lies. My name is Mike Metzger, MikeyMetz for short, co-founder of 9/11 Truth UAlbany. I will not go on about my past accomplishments in the "truth" movement, but I invite you to check out the official site and our stuff on GoogleVideo if you're that interested in my background. I figure the best way to start this all out is by reposting a Facebook note that explains my "sudden change of heart" to anyone who was interested. Change of Heart? I might be thinking too much of myself, but I'm sure some of you are already jumping to conclusions over my apparent "change of heart." I can hear it already. "Mikey stopped smoking pot, and now he's ultra-conservative all of sudden." Or, how about "Mikey's ****in girlfriend changed him overnight." If there's anyone who simplified my situation using one of these rationalizations immediately upon observing the obvious changes in my profile, I don't think it's too outrageous to claim that you're one who quickly jumps to conclusions. I don't mean to offend anyone (although, I know I am), but I think that statement is rather representative of the entire 9/11 Truth Movement. My "change of heart" didn't happen overnight. This has been a process that has been eating away at me for the past month and a half. I wanted to act strategically as far as "coming out" as a means to perhaps transition the 9/11 Truth group on campus to one that was less focused on strictly 9/11-related issues (aka more truthful ones). However, I was exposed to something that truly angered me deep down in the wee hours of this morning, which I'll get to later. I was so outraged that I can no longer keep my mouth shut. For whatever reasons at the time, I no-showed the 8/11 truth action our group was doing in Albany. Instead, I watched a movie called Screw Loose Change. I expected it to point out a few corrections in some minor details of the film. To my surprise, it contested just about every claim in the entire movie. I was a bit shocked. I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented. Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts. There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement. Just a lot of theories, which eventually break down to "hey, we're just asking questions" if someone questions the validity of such. No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers. Yet, most of my friends will try to explain the hard physics involved in structural collapses. None of these people are engineers, physicists, or even in a scientific field, for that matter. Someone's supposed to take their word over an expert's? The truthers will just tell you that all the experts are "in on it." Yeah, sure. Every engineer in the world is complicit in the government's murder of 3,000 people. And so are the firemen, who apparently ordered Larry Silverstein to "pull" Building 7. The truthers' misrepresentation of Silverstein's quote is one of the most popular "facts" to spit out, but in doing so, you are effectively in agreement that firefighters were not only involved in the controlled demolition of WTC7, but they are also aiding and abetting in the government's cover-up. Yeah, every firefighter who was out there on 9/11 is going to be complicit in the MURDER OF 343 OF THEIR FALLEN BROTHERS! To quote Loose Change co-creator Jason Bermas, "the firefighters are paid off." This is absolute horseshit, which brings me to why I've formally distanced myself from this sorry excuse for a movement. Loose Change, 9/11 Mysteries, Alex Jones, and all the other kooks out there are ****ing lying about, distorting, and misrepresenting the facts to further their personal agendas. And what is their agenda, you ask? Money, in the words of Shaggy 2 Dope, "mutha ****in ***** *** money." Not only are they desecrating 3,000 graves, but they are profiting off of it. That, my friends, makes me sick to my ****in stomach. Some may think that this is just a big personal attack, and that I'm not presenting enough facts. I honestly don't give a **** because the information is out there. I love how all the truthers, myself included for a time, brag about how they've done all the "research." Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites! Research involves looking at things from both sides of the spectrum, and making your own decisions. Check out the links I've listed above, or google "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" and "Screw Loose Change." Controlled demolitions: absolute ********. Now, I know there are some legitimate inconsistencies in the story that can't be proven false. My problem, and your problem as well, is that we have been blatantly misled by people who are only interested in selling dvds and t-shirts. This is supposed to be a truth movement. At this point, Alex Jones could pull every smoking gun out of *** that proves without question that 9/11 was an inside job, but it will never excuse the fact that he had lie so blatantly. **** you, **** avery & bermas, **** 9/11 mysteries, and **** every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research." I don't know what the future holds for the student group. For the time being, I'm gonna continue to fill out the paperwork and other such presidential duties because I take my responsibilities and promises very seriously. But you won't see me hand out one more 9/11 pamphlet, or ever utter the phrase "9/11 was an inside job" ever again. I'd personally like to see the group transition away from fringe conspiracy theories and focus more on local issues (God knows, there's enough corruption in Albany, alone), but I might get outvoted by truthers. If that is the case, I cordially invite any of the truthers who think I'm totally wrong to step up and take the reigns. The group is, in part, my creation, but I'll gladly abdicate the throne if all everyone wants to do is continue the truther nonsense. Oh yeah, what sent me over the edge today? I watched Screw 9/11 Mysteries, which basically adds comments to the original movie. Like Screw Loose Change, every single theory spat out is immediately disproven with formal citations from the NIST report, scientific journals, and the experts themselves. By the end, the whole controlled demolition theory is a complete joke, as the film can't even keep their own story straight. 9/11 Mysteries ends very tragically with a phone call from one of the victims inside the WTC. You may have seen it, it's the guy who's frantically describing the situation to a loved one, but then suddenly, the building starts to collapse and all you hear are his last words, agonizing screams. The creators of this propaganda movie did this intentionally, to play on your emotions right after feeding you all their ******** theories. But as I watched this film again, this time with the annotations, I knew that the creators of this movie used that poor guy's dying moments for their own selfish gains of selling dvds and perpetuating myths that do nothing but denigrate the lives lost on 9/11/01. Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available. I'm done, thanks. |
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