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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? Yes 89% 9447 votes No 11% 1201 votes Total: 10648 votes http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/14340.exclude.html its funny how they treat the 911 skepetics like they are some type of fringe minority when in fact this poll indicates the exact opposit. But of course that would be reality based thinking something that is clearly lacking in many posters. polls are meaningless, you know that...seems like yall are grasping at anything to prove your right. but with what little(none) evidence you have as a group,i guess you need to post this kind of nonsense... I am sure if the poll was in your favor it would be trumped and those of us who have grave doubts about the offical story of 911 would be dismissed as a fringe group. I can gureentee you when you find one lie its to cover another lie and another. When you start to peel the onion on 911 you find lie after lie and distortion after distortion. It was the main event to create our current police state one would think all you "true" americans would be all for an investigation that is meaningfull and honest and not the lies that were fed to the 911 commision. no, any poll is meaningless... no matter who does what investigation, it would still never shut the truthers up, even for a minute. go investigate, do what you gotta do, the truth is the truth, no matter how bad you want it to be otherwise... |
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Yep the truth is the truth, no matter how bad you want it to be otherwise.
 The "truthers" want the truth. In fact, anyone who wants the truth is a "truther." If you do not want the truth then what are you? You are a person who sits back and lets the propaganda flow, and believes everything your official authorities tell you.... and you don't dare ask any questions. |
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Yep the truth is the truth, no matter how bad you want it to be otherwise. The "truthers" want the truth. In fact, anyone who wants the truth is a "truther." If you do not want the truth then what are you? You are a person who sits back and lets the propaganda flow, and believes everything your official authorities tell you.... and you don't dare ask any questions. They only ask quistions about Obamas birth certificate |
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"If you asked a group of structural engineers who were experienced in forensic analysis "what the chance of explosives was?", you would get 0% in favor." What data do you have to support your zero % theory? On Feb. 19, 2010, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth held a press conference at the Mariner's Club & Hotel in San Francisco, CA, USA, announced the milestone of having achieved in excess of 1,000 signatures from architects and engineers from around the world, demanding a new, truly independent investigation of the facts regarding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that the conclusions drawn by the 911 Commission reek of cover-up, are not at all supported by the facts. The 80-minute press conference included presentations by •Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth, who summarized how the facts support demolition being the cause of the World Trade Center buildings 1,2 and 7, not fire; •David Ray Griffin, author of "The Mysterious Collapse of WTC 7", talking about the questionable science of NIST, concluding that they lied and are party to the cover-up; •Steven E. Jones, professor Emeritus from BYU, who talked about evidence found in the WTC dust that can only be explained by intentional demolition; and •Eric Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 911 Truth, who pointed out the many ways in which long-established protocols for handling crime scenes involving fire and building collapse were egregiously violated, consistent with a cover-up. Continue reading on Examiner.com 1000 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth signatures press conference ignored by world media - National Breakthrough Energy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/article/1000-architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth-signatures-press-conference-ignored-by-world-media#ixzz1si3dwoIN Wow took them 9 years to get 1000 signatures when they had the whole world to pick from? There are over 1.5million in the US alone. |
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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? Yes 89% 9447 votes No 11% 1201 votes Total: 10648 votes http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/14340.exclude.html its funny how they treat the 911 skepetics like they are some type of fringe minority when in fact this poll indicates the exact opposit. But of course that would be reality based thinking something that is clearly lacking in many posters. polls are meaningless, you know that...seems like yall are grasping at anything to prove your right. but with what little(none) evidence you have as a group,i guess you need to post this kind of nonsense... I am sure if the poll was in your favor it would be trumped and those of us who have grave doubts about the offical story of 911 would be dismissed as a fringe group. I can gureentee you when you find one lie its to cover another lie and another. When you start to peel the onion on 911 you find lie after lie and distortion after distortion. It was the main event to create our current police state one would think all you "true" americans would be all for an investigation that is meaningfull and honest and not the lies that were fed to the 911 commision. Most people that don't think it was a conspiracy don't really look at that kind of stuff anymore anyway. Of course its going to be lopsided. Internet polls are the most lopsided because you are not taking a random poll of people but just people that stumble across it. It was probably linked on pro conspiracy websites etc. |
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"If you asked a group of structural engineers who were experienced in forensic analysis "what the chance of explosives was?", you would get 0% in favor." What data do you have to support your zero % theory? On Feb. 19, 2010, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth held a press conference at the Mariner's Club & Hotel in San Francisco, CA, USA, announced the milestone of having achieved in excess of 1,000 signatures from architects and engineers from around the world, demanding a new, truly independent investigation of the facts regarding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that the conclusions drawn by the 911 Commission reek of cover-up, are not at all supported by the facts. The 80-minute press conference included presentations by •Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth, who summarized how the facts support demolition being the cause of the World Trade Center buildings 1,2 and 7, not fire; •David Ray Griffin, author of "The Mysterious Collapse of WTC 7", talking about the questionable science of NIST, concluding that they lied and are party to the cover-up; •Steven E. Jones, professor Emeritus from BYU, who talked about evidence found in the WTC dust that can only be explained by intentional demolition; and •Eric Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 911 Truth, who pointed out the many ways in which long-established protocols for handling crime scenes involving fire and building collapse were egregiously violated, consistent with a cover-up. Continue reading on Examiner.com 1000 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth signatures press conference ignored by world media - National Breakthrough Energy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/article/1000-architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth-signatures-press-conference-ignored-by-world-media#ixzz1si3dwoIN Wow took them 9 years to get 1000 signatures when they had the whole world to pick from? There are over 1.5million in the US alone. No one realy wants to get involved with this topic since its a career ender for sure on the professional level. I am sure it took alot of soul searching to come out and say what is painfully obviouse. Its far easier to live in denial and just go on with life. The post 911 world isnt all that pretty is it? All those "freedoms" the so called "terrorists" hate us for are pretty much gone. Looks like they won. |
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"If you asked a group of structural engineers who were experienced in forensic analysis "what the chance of explosives was?", you would get 0% in favor." What data do you have to support your zero % theory? On Feb. 19, 2010, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth held a press conference at the Mariner's Club & Hotel in San Francisco, CA, USA, announced the milestone of having achieved in excess of 1,000 signatures from architects and engineers from around the world, demanding a new, truly independent investigation of the facts regarding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that the conclusions drawn by the 911 Commission reek of cover-up, are not at all supported by the facts. The 80-minute press conference included presentations by •Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth, who summarized how the facts support demolition being the cause of the World Trade Center buildings 1,2 and 7, not fire; •David Ray Griffin, author of "The Mysterious Collapse of WTC 7", talking about the questionable science of NIST, concluding that they lied and are party to the cover-up; •Steven E. Jones, professor Emeritus from BYU, who talked about evidence found in the WTC dust that can only be explained by intentional demolition; and •Eric Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 911 Truth, who pointed out the many ways in which long-established protocols for handling crime scenes involving fire and building collapse were egregiously violated, consistent with a cover-up. Continue reading on Examiner.com 1000 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth signatures press conference ignored by world media - National Breakthrough Energy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/article/1000-architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth-signatures-press-conference-ignored-by-world-media#ixzz1si3dwoIN Wow took them 9 years to get 1000 signatures when they had the whole world to pick from? There are over 1.5million in the US alone. No one realy wants to get involved with this topic since its a career ender for sure on the professional level. I am sure it took alot of soul searching to come out and say what is painfully obviouse. Its far easier to live in denial and just go on with life. The post 911 world isnt all that pretty is it? All those "freedoms" the so called "terrorists" hate us for are pretty much gone. Looks like they won. more likely you got the brain dead end of the bunch. Its not a career ender to just talk to your colleges about it. In fact most companies would care less what you thought about that if you were good at your job. Maybe only if you were a structural engineering consultant would it be a career ender. As an engineer I am surrounded by other engineers and have yet to personally meet one that believes the demolition theory. |
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"If you asked a group of structural engineers who were experienced in forensic analysis "what the chance of explosives was?", you would get 0% in favor." What data do you have to support your zero % theory? On Feb. 19, 2010, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth held a press conference at the Mariner's Club & Hotel in San Francisco, CA, USA, announced the milestone of having achieved in excess of 1,000 signatures from architects and engineers from around the world, demanding a new, truly independent investigation of the facts regarding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that the conclusions drawn by the 911 Commission reek of cover-up, are not at all supported by the facts. The 80-minute press conference included presentations by •Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth, who summarized how the facts support demolition being the cause of the World Trade Center buildings 1,2 and 7, not fire; •David Ray Griffin, author of "The Mysterious Collapse of WTC 7", talking about the questionable science of NIST, concluding that they lied and are party to the cover-up; •Steven E. Jones, professor Emeritus from BYU, who talked about evidence found in the WTC dust that can only be explained by intentional demolition; and •Eric Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 911 Truth, who pointed out the many ways in which long-established protocols for handling crime scenes involving fire and building collapse were egregiously violated, consistent with a cover-up. Continue reading on Examiner.com 1000 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth signatures press conference ignored by world media - National Breakthrough Energy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/article/1000-architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth-signatures-press-conference-ignored-by-world-media#ixzz1si3dwoIN Wow took them 9 years to get 1000 signatures when they had the whole world to pick from? There are over 1.5million in the US alone. No one realy wants to get involved with this topic since its a career ender for sure on the professional level. I am sure it took alot of soul searching to come out and say what is painfully obviouse. Its far easier to live in denial and just go on with life. The post 911 world isnt all that pretty is it? All those "freedoms" the so called "terrorists" hate us for are pretty much gone. Looks like they won. more likely you got the brain dead end of the bunch. Its not a career ender to just talk to your colleges about it. In fact most companies would care less what you thought about that if you were good at your job. Maybe only if you were a structural engineering consultant would it be a career ender. As an engineer I am surrounded by other engineers and have yet to personally meet one that believes the demolition theory. In my mind your just an unemployed guy killing time claiming to be someone you are not hopeing you can bait in some chick. One thing is certain is that people who claim to be educated normaly have an open mind. |
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"If you asked a group of structural engineers who were experienced in forensic analysis "what the chance of explosives was?", you would get 0% in favor." What data do you have to support your zero % theory? On Feb. 19, 2010, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth held a press conference at the Mariner's Club & Hotel in San Francisco, CA, USA, announced the milestone of having achieved in excess of 1,000 signatures from architects and engineers from around the world, demanding a new, truly independent investigation of the facts regarding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that the conclusions drawn by the 911 Commission reek of cover-up, are not at all supported by the facts. The 80-minute press conference included presentations by •Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth, who summarized how the facts support demolition being the cause of the World Trade Center buildings 1,2 and 7, not fire; •David Ray Griffin, author of "The Mysterious Collapse of WTC 7", talking about the questionable science of NIST, concluding that they lied and are party to the cover-up; •Steven E. Jones, professor Emeritus from BYU, who talked about evidence found in the WTC dust that can only be explained by intentional demolition; and •Eric Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 911 Truth, who pointed out the many ways in which long-established protocols for handling crime scenes involving fire and building collapse were egregiously violated, consistent with a cover-up. Continue reading on Examiner.com 1000 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth signatures press conference ignored by world media - National Breakthrough Energy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/article/1000-architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth-signatures-press-conference-ignored-by-world-media#ixzz1si3dwoIN Wow took them 9 years to get 1000 signatures when they had the whole world to pick from? There are over 1.5million in the US alone. No one realy wants to get involved with this topic since its a career ender for sure on the professional level. I am sure it took alot of soul searching to come out and say what is painfully obviouse. Its far easier to live in denial and just go on with life. The post 911 world isnt all that pretty is it? All those "freedoms" the so called "terrorists" hate us for are pretty much gone. Looks like they won. more likely you got the brain dead end of the bunch. Its not a career ender to just talk to your colleges about it. In fact most companies would care less what you thought about that if you were good at your job. Maybe only if you were a structural engineering consultant would it be a career ender. As an engineer I am surrounded by other engineers and have yet to personally meet one that believes the demolition theory. In my mind your just an unemployed guy killing time claiming to be someone you are not hopeing you can bait in some chick. One thing is certain is that people who claim to be educated normaly have an open mind.   So open that they have to swallow the Guff you putting out about those Buildings?  so,you still believe that inducing Fire as the one Unknown in the whole Equation by those Planes was the way to go? Since when are Fire and Explosives Friends! I can see you haven't got an Inkling what you're talking about! You don't set a Building on Fire you're about to blow with Explosives! Messes up your Sequence big time! That goes for the Towers and WTC7! |
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"If you asked a group of structural engineers who were experienced in forensic analysis "what the chance of explosives was?", you would get 0% in favor." What data do you have to support your zero % theory? On Feb. 19, 2010, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth held a press conference at the Mariner's Club & Hotel in San Francisco, CA, USA, announced the milestone of having achieved in excess of 1,000 signatures from architects and engineers from around the world, demanding a new, truly independent investigation of the facts regarding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that the conclusions drawn by the 911 Commission reek of cover-up, are not at all supported by the facts. The 80-minute press conference included presentations by •Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth, who summarized how the facts support demolition being the cause of the World Trade Center buildings 1,2 and 7, not fire; •David Ray Griffin, author of "The Mysterious Collapse of WTC 7", talking about the questionable science of NIST, concluding that they lied and are party to the cover-up; •Steven E. Jones, professor Emeritus from BYU, who talked about evidence found in the WTC dust that can only be explained by intentional demolition; and •Eric Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 911 Truth, who pointed out the many ways in which long-established protocols for handling crime scenes involving fire and building collapse were egregiously violated, consistent with a cover-up. Continue reading on Examiner.com 1000 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth signatures press conference ignored by world media - National Breakthrough Energy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/article/1000-architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth-signatures-press-conference-ignored-by-world-media#ixzz1si3dwoIN Wow took them 9 years to get 1000 signatures when they had the whole world to pick from? There are over 1.5million in the US alone. No one realy wants to get involved with this topic since its a career ender for sure on the professional level. I am sure it took alot of soul searching to come out and say what is painfully obviouse. Its far easier to live in denial and just go on with life. The post 911 world isnt all that pretty is it? All those "freedoms" the so called "terrorists" hate us for are pretty much gone. Looks like they won. more likely you got the brain dead end of the bunch. Its not a career ender to just talk to your colleges about it. In fact most companies would care less what you thought about that if you were good at your job. Maybe only if you were a structural engineering consultant would it be a career ender. As an engineer I am surrounded by other engineers and have yet to personally meet one that believes the demolition theory. In my mind your just an unemployed guy killing time claiming to be someone you are not hopeing you can bait in some chick. One thing is certain is that people who claim to be educated normaly have an open mind. So open that they have to swallow the Guff you putting out about those Buildings? so,you still believe that inducing Fire as the one Unknown in the whole Equation by those Planes was the way to go? Since when are Fire and Explosives Friends! I can see you haven't got an Inkling what you're talking about! You don't set a Building on Fire you're about to blow with Explosives! Messes up your Sequence big time! That goes for the Towers and WTC7! It was no towering inferno thats for sure. |
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"If you asked a group of structural engineers who were experienced in forensic analysis "what the chance of explosives was?", you would get 0% in favor." What data do you have to support your zero % theory? On Feb. 19, 2010, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth held a press conference at the Mariner's Club & Hotel in San Francisco, CA, USA, announced the milestone of having achieved in excess of 1,000 signatures from architects and engineers from around the world, demanding a new, truly independent investigation of the facts regarding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that the conclusions drawn by the 911 Commission reek of cover-up, are not at all supported by the facts. The 80-minute press conference included presentations by •Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth, who summarized how the facts support demolition being the cause of the World Trade Center buildings 1,2 and 7, not fire; •David Ray Griffin, author of "The Mysterious Collapse of WTC 7", talking about the questionable science of NIST, concluding that they lied and are party to the cover-up; •Steven E. Jones, professor Emeritus from BYU, who talked about evidence found in the WTC dust that can only be explained by intentional demolition; and •Eric Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 911 Truth, who pointed out the many ways in which long-established protocols for handling crime scenes involving fire and building collapse were egregiously violated, consistent with a cover-up. Continue reading on Examiner.com 1000 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth signatures press conference ignored by world media - National Breakthrough Energy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/article/1000-architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth-signatures-press-conference-ignored-by-world-media#ixzz1si3dwoIN Wow took them 9 years to get 1000 signatures when they had the whole world to pick from? There are over 1.5million in the US alone. No one realy wants to get involved with this topic since its a career ender for sure on the professional level. I am sure it took alot of soul searching to come out and say what is painfully obviouse. Its far easier to live in denial and just go on with life. The post 911 world isnt all that pretty is it? All those "freedoms" the so called "terrorists" hate us for are pretty much gone. Looks like they won. more likely you got the brain dead end of the bunch. Its not a career ender to just talk to your colleges about it. In fact most companies would care less what you thought about that if you were good at your job. Maybe only if you were a structural engineering consultant would it be a career ender. As an engineer I am surrounded by other engineers and have yet to personally meet one that believes the demolition theory. In my mind your just an unemployed guy killing time claiming to be someone you are not hopeing you can bait in some chick. One thing is certain is that people who claim to be educated normaly have an open mind. I never said I left before the disaster. I was there for the quake. I didn't leave Japan until April of 2011. I have a job and probably make more than you. I don't need a union to get a fair wage either because I have marketable skills. I also already have a girl. I have my Japanese pay stub. I can shoot a photo of my foreign registration card in Japan too. My visa is good for 3 years i still have that too. I got my ID from my employer stating my position ad RF engineer. Metalwing has also seen my engineering license. |
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Yep the truth is the truth, no matter how bad you want it to be otherwise. The "truthers" want the truth. In fact, anyone who wants the truth is a "truther." If you do not want the truth then what are you? You are a person who sits back and lets the propaganda flow, and believes everything your official authorities tell you.... and you don't dare ask any questions. |
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"If you asked a group of structural engineers who were experienced in forensic analysis "what the chance of explosives was?", you would get 0% in favor." What data do you have to support your zero % theory? On Feb. 19, 2010, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth held a press conference at the Mariner's Club & Hotel in San Francisco, CA, USA, announced the milestone of having achieved in excess of 1,000 signatures from architects and engineers from around the world, demanding a new, truly independent investigation of the facts regarding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that the conclusions drawn by the 911 Commission reek of cover-up, are not at all supported by the facts. The 80-minute press conference included presentations by •Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth, who summarized how the facts support demolition being the cause of the World Trade Center buildings 1,2 and 7, not fire; •David Ray Griffin, author of "The Mysterious Collapse of WTC 7", talking about the questionable science of NIST, concluding that they lied and are party to the cover-up; •Steven E. Jones, professor Emeritus from BYU, who talked about evidence found in the WTC dust that can only be explained by intentional demolition; and •Eric Lawyer, founder of Firefighters for 911 Truth, who pointed out the many ways in which long-established protocols for handling crime scenes involving fire and building collapse were egregiously violated, consistent with a cover-up. Continue reading on Examiner.com 1000 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth signatures press conference ignored by world media - National Breakthrough Energy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/article/1000-architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth-signatures-press-conference-ignored-by-world-media#ixzz1si3dwoIN Wow took them 9 years to get 1000 signatures when they had the whole world to pick from? There are over 1.5million in the US alone. No one realy wants to get involved with this topic since its a career ender for sure on the professional level. I am sure it took alot of soul searching to come out and say what is painfully obviouse. Its far easier to live in denial and just go on with life. The post 911 world isnt all that pretty is it? All those "freedoms" the so called "terrorists" hate us for are pretty much gone. Looks like they won. more likely you got the brain dead end of the bunch. Its not a career ender to just talk to your colleges about it. In fact most companies would care less what you thought about that if you were good at your job. Maybe only if you were a structural engineering consultant would it be a career ender. As an engineer I am surrounded by other engineers and have yet to personally meet one that believes the demolition theory. In my mind your just an unemployed guy killing time claiming to be someone you are not hopeing you can bait in some chick. One thing is certain is that people who claim to be educated normaly have an open mind. So open that they have to swallow the Guff you putting out about those Buildings? so,you still believe that inducing Fire as the one Unknown in the whole Equation by those Planes was the way to go? Since when are Fire and Explosives Friends! I can see you haven't got an Inkling what you're talking about! You don't set a Building on Fire you're about to blow with Explosives! Messes up your Sequence big time! That goes for the Towers and WTC7! It was no towering inferno thats for sure.  |
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You would think the leaders of the "truth" movement would know more about their motives than anyone else. The following is from a leader of the Albany chapter.
Of course, if you are not a truther, I hope you have been reading these mingle threads as this post contains a lot of "truth". My name is Mike Metzger, MikeyMetz for short, co-founder of 9/11 Truth UAlbany. I will not go on about my past accomplishments in the "truth" movement, but I invite you to check out the official site and our stuff on GoogleVideo if you're that interested in my background. I figure the best way to start this all out is by reposting a Facebook note that explains my "sudden change of heart" to anyone who was interested. Change of Heart? I might be thinking too much of myself, but I'm sure some of you are already jumping to conclusions over my apparent "change of heart." I can hear it already. "Mikey stopped smoking pot, and now he's ultra-conservative all of sudden." Or, how about "Mikey's ****in girlfriend changed him overnight." If there's anyone who simplified my situation using one of these rationalizations immediately upon observing the obvious changes in my profile, I don't think it's too outrageous to claim that you're one who quickly jumps to conclusions. I don't mean to offend anyone (although, I know I am), but I think that statement is rather representative of the entire 9/11 Truth Movement. My "change of heart" didn't happen overnight. This has been a process that has been eating away at me for the past month and a half. I wanted to act strategically as far as "coming out" as a means to perhaps transition the 9/11 Truth group on campus to one that was less focused on strictly 9/11-related issues (aka more truthful ones). However, I was exposed to something that truly angered me deep down in the wee hours of this morning, which I'll get to later. I was so outraged that I can no longer keep my mouth shut. For whatever reasons at the time, I no-showed the 8/11 truth action our group was doing in Albany. Instead, I watched a movie called Screw Loose Change. I expected it to point out a few corrections in some minor details of the film. To my surprise, it contested just about every claim in the entire movie. I was a bit shocked. I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented. Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts. There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement. Just a lot of theories, which eventually break down to "hey, we're just asking questions" if someone questions the validity of such. No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers. Yet, most of my friends will try to explain the hard physics involved in structural collapses. None of these people are engineers, physicists, or even in a scientific field, for that matter. Someone's supposed to take their word over an expert's? The truthers will just tell you that all the experts are "in on it." Yeah, sure. Every engineer in the world is complicit in the government's murder of 3,000 people. And so are the firemen, who apparently ordered Larry Silverstein to "pull" Building 7. The truthers' misrepresentation of Silverstein's quote is one of the most popular "facts" to spit out, but in doing so, you are effectively in agreement that firefighters were not only involved in the controlled demolition of WTC7, but they are also aiding and abetting in the government's cover-up. Yeah, every firefighter who was out there on 9/11 is going to be complicit in the MURDER OF 343 OF THEIR FALLEN BROTHERS! To quote Loose Change co-creator Jason Bermas, "the firefighters are paid off." This is absolute horseshit, which brings me to why I've formally distanced myself from this sorry excuse for a movement. Loose Change, 9/11 Mysteries, Alex Jones, and all the other kooks out there are ****ing lying about, distorting, and misrepresenting the facts to further their personal agendas. And what is their agenda, you ask? Money, in the words of Shaggy 2 Dope, "mutha ****in ***** *** money." Not only are they desecrating 3,000 graves, but they are profiting off of it. That, my friends, makes me sick to my ****in stomach. Some may think that this is just a big personal attack, and that I'm not presenting enough facts. I honestly don't give a **** because the information is out there. I love how all the truthers, myself included for a time, brag about how they've done all the "research." Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites! Research involves looking at things from both sides of the spectrum, and making your own decisions. Check out the links I've listed above, or google "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" and "Screw Loose Change." Controlled demolitions: absolute ********. Now, I know there are some legitimate inconsistencies in the story that can't be proven false. My problem, and your problem as well, is that we have been blatantly misled by people who are only interested in selling dvds and t-shirts. This is supposed to be a truth movement. At this point, Alex Jones could pull every smoking gun out of *** that proves without question that 9/11 was an inside job, but it will never excuse the fact that he had lie so blatantly. **** you, **** avery & bermas, **** 9/11 mysteries, and **** every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research." I don't know what the future holds for the student group. For the time being, I'm gonna continue to fill out the paperwork and other such presidential duties because I take my responsibilities and promises very seriously. But you won't see me hand out one more 9/11 pamphlet, or ever utter the phrase "9/11 was an inside job" ever again. I'd personally like to see the group transition away from fringe conspiracy theories and focus more on local issues (God knows, there's enough corruption in Albany, alone), but I might get outvoted by truthers. If that is the case, I cordially invite any of the truthers who think I'm totally wrong to step up and take the reigns. The group is, in part, my creation, but I'll gladly abdicate the throne if all everyone wants to do is continue the truther nonsense. Oh yeah, what sent me over the edge today? I watched Screw 9/11 Mysteries, which basically adds comments to the original movie. Like Screw Loose Change, every single theory spat out is immediately disproven with formal citations from the NIST report, scientific journals, and the experts themselves. By the end, the whole controlled demolition theory is a complete joke, as the film can't even keep their own story straight. 9/11 Mysteries ends very tragically with a phone call from one of the victims inside the WTC. You may have seen it, it's the guy who's frantically describing the situation to a loved one, but then suddenly, the building starts to collapse and all you hear are his last words, agonizing screams. The creators of this propaganda movie did this intentionally, to play on your emotions right after feeding you all their ******** theories. But as I watched this film again, this time with the annotations, I knew that the creators of this movie used that poor guy's dying moments for their own selfish gains of selling dvds and perpetuating myths that do nothing but denigrate the lives lost on 9/11/01. Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available. I'm done, thanks. Of course, unlike a few, some are not searching for the truth at all. This young man found it. |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents.
Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents. Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. He was talking about people like you who "claim they did their research" but just reported the "truther" line. |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents. Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. He was talking about people like you who "claim they did their research" but just reported the "truther" line. I don't really care what you think he was talking about. I don't believe every "truther" theory out there. You seem to think I do. I just don't believe the official story. It is the worst theory of all. It is NOT THE TRUTH. IT IS A FABRICATION AND A FRAUD. |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents. Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. He was talking about people like you who "claim they did their research" but just reported the "truther" line. I don't really care what you think he was talking about. I don't believe every "truther" theory out there. You seem to think I do. I just don't believe the official story. It is the worst theory of all. It is NOT THE TRUTH. IT IS A FABRICATION AND A FRAUD. Not Beliefs,not feelings,but Objective proof! |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents. Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. He was talking about people like you who "claim they did their research" but just reported the "truther" line. I don't really care what you think he was talking about. I don't believe every "truther" theory out there. You seem to think I do. I just don't believe the official story. It is the worst theory of all. It is NOT THE TRUTH. IT IS A FABRICATION AND A FRAUD. Not Beliefs,not feelings,but Objective proof! Well that was not a job that was assigned to ME. It was assigned to ASCE investigators to find the truth, and they said that they did not even look for evidence of explosives. The dust and debris and the high damage was the first clue. They failed, not me. |
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I don't see any evidence that "this young man" found the truth at all. I agree with him that Alex Jones is a fool. Alex Jones and many others are disinformation agents. Finding some young man who had a "change of heart" sounds similar to the tactic that I've seen Christians use to gain converts. Not impressed. I could go into specific detail of each and everything b.S thing he says in that post but it would be a big waste of time. He was talking about people like you who "claim they did their research" but just reported the "truther" line. I don't really care what you think he was talking about. I don't believe every "truther" theory out there. You seem to think I do. I just don't believe the official story. It is the worst theory of all. It is NOT THE TRUTH. IT IS A FABRICATION AND A FRAUD. Not Beliefs,not feelings,but Objective proof! Well that was not a job that was assigned to ME. It was assigned to ASCE investigators to find the truth, and they said that they did not even look for evidence of explosives. The dust and debris and the high damage was the first clue. They failed, not me. With the Fire that went on it wasn't necessary to search for Explosives! They would have all cooked off,and definitely would not have been useful in the Fall of the Building,since that would require an exact Sequence,not random explosions! Like I said,Objective proof,not Feelings! |
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