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Topic: Religion is Child Abuse?
Dan99's photo
Sun 04/01/12 01:11 AM



First point: The question assumes 'religion' is one distinct, easily definable principle , which is false, religions have many many different principles within them which are taught in many many different manners


Second point: The federal government defines child abuse as
Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation"; or


"An act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm."



I was brought up with religion. It did not kill me, physically harm me, emotionally harm me, sexually abuse me, or exploit me or put me at SERIOUS Risk of harm. So I guess there can probably not be an honest YES or NO answer to whether it is child abuse, because I know of MANY MANY other people like me for which religion has done none of these things.


so I come to the third point

RELIGION is not child abuse, although people can be ABUSIVE in how they choose to teach it to children. In many of the scenarios listed here, the issue is the ABUSIVE manner in which the child is supposedly introduced or 'indoctrinated' into the religion, it is not the religion itself.


For instance, as a child, I was at a certain developmental stage. Parents often give children stories to develop their imaginations and their sense of lifes possibilities,, at this stage. Some parents may be upset if their child does not adhere and they may disown them ,,like the parent who threatens to not give a christmas gift because a kid says santa isnt real, or a parent who 'disowns' a child for merely 'disbelieving' in some tradition when they get older (disbelief and disrespect are different things though...)

,and that would be abusive. OTher parents (mine, for instance) provide the resource and the information and let the children get from it what they can, which is NOT Abusive at all.

My siblings and myself ALL grew up with religion. OF the five of us, only two of us grew into adulthood with a strong belief in God or the Bible. The other three would probably be considered agnostic.

My parents exposed us to as many DIFFERENT cultures/philosophies as possible when we were children so we could use the brain they gave us to use them towards our own emotional and intellectual benefit.

,,short answer,,

Is teaching religion to children abusive? .....NO

Do abusive parents teach religion to their children with abusive methods?,,,SURE


I never said that all parents that bring their kids up with religion are abusing them. But it is often the case, even if you cant see it. Also, many adults that i would consider to have been abused by their parents through religion would not be able to recognise or acknowledge the fact either. Just like some pedophiles that were abused themselves as kids, they believe their actions to be normal.




but the title was 'religion is child abuse'

not can children be abused through religion...


It is 'religon is child abuse?' (with a question mark).

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/01/12 01:15 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 04/01/12 01:16 AM










Mankind has had religion since the beginnings of what we can dig up. One could say it is part of what makes us unique. Since it has such a long history as being part of our daily lives, it is hard to understand how one could say it is alien, harmful, or damaging.




One only needs to look at the state of
the world to understand how it has been damaging.
Eons of indoctrination has not served us well.
No difference between teaching a kid to make a bomb
and teaching a kid to use a gun to kill.




Now again since I can't account for all the different beliefs. Just look at the Christian point of view on what you have said. Heck the scriptures teach the same as they teach in elementry about your conduct "treat others the way you wish to be treated".


Matthew 7:12
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

do you need scriptures to tell you this or can't you think on your own?Matter of fact how stupid were people thousands of years ago to need someone to tell them,"you need to treat others as you want to be treated"


If it is not needed to be told, then why do they teach this to our children in early school? If they already know, then why tell them? And do you think children truly know this when they are born?




Some things are in our genes and do not need to be learnt, other things we pick up throughout life.

Children are instinctively gullible for a reason, it is in our human nature to trust our parents for reasons of survival. 'Dont swim with the crocodiles' for example, is good survival advice, and if we didnt listen to our parents advice we would not be as strong a species as we are.

This is why it is wrong to bring kids up with religion, because they will believe whatever you tell them even if it is wrong. If Christianity happened to be correct, then all those poor islamic and jewish kids are being led to a life full of wasted time, money and beliefs.





so who has the expertise or authority to determine that reigious beliefs are 'wrong'?


children are to be guided in the right direction, and that is each parents perogative to decide what that direction is,,,,,


sometimes not only children are gullible, sometimes children grow into adults who have been brainwashed to think if it makes you 'unhappy' or doesnt let you do WHATVER happens to make you happy,,,,its wrong


There are all kinds of mental and emotional abuse of which religion is only one.

A good sign of someone that has been abused and/or brainwashed is some one who continues to believe what they have been taught, even when clear and astonishing evidence has been put before them to prove the contrary, but they are still unable to change their view. This is also a good sign of someone who is likely to be an abuser themselves.



abuse is not about belief

abuse is : improper or excessive use or treatment

there is a list too long to mention of things that can be improperly used or excessively used

people use EXCESSIVE focus on sports abusively to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on academics to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on appearance and beauty to villify their children

but , as I said before, the abuse starts with the PERSON, not with their tool of choice,,,


where there is BALANCE there cant be abuse, if children are given a balance they are not being abused,, if they are in an imbalanced environment where one thing is the central/unique focus for life,, thats abusive


Dan99's photo
Sun 04/01/12 01:26 AM











Mankind has had religion since the beginnings of what we can dig up. One could say it is part of what makes us unique. Since it has such a long history as being part of our daily lives, it is hard to understand how one could say it is alien, harmful, or damaging.




One only needs to look at the state of
the world to understand how it has been damaging.
Eons of indoctrination has not served us well.
No difference between teaching a kid to make a bomb
and teaching a kid to use a gun to kill.




Now again since I can't account for all the different beliefs. Just look at the Christian point of view on what you have said. Heck the scriptures teach the same as they teach in elementry about your conduct "treat others the way you wish to be treated".


Matthew 7:12
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

do you need scriptures to tell you this or can't you think on your own?Matter of fact how stupid were people thousands of years ago to need someone to tell them,"you need to treat others as you want to be treated"


If it is not needed to be told, then why do they teach this to our children in early school? If they already know, then why tell them? And do you think children truly know this when they are born?




Some things are in our genes and do not need to be learnt, other things we pick up throughout life.

Children are instinctively gullible for a reason, it is in our human nature to trust our parents for reasons of survival. 'Dont swim with the crocodiles' for example, is good survival advice, and if we didnt listen to our parents advice we would not be as strong a species as we are.

This is why it is wrong to bring kids up with religion, because they will believe whatever you tell them even if it is wrong. If Christianity happened to be correct, then all those poor islamic and jewish kids are being led to a life full of wasted time, money and beliefs.





so who has the expertise or authority to determine that reigious beliefs are 'wrong'?


children are to be guided in the right direction, and that is each parents perogative to decide what that direction is,,,,,


sometimes not only children are gullible, sometimes children grow into adults who have been brainwashed to think if it makes you 'unhappy' or doesnt let you do WHATVER happens to make you happy,,,,its wrong


There are all kinds of mental and emotional abuse of which religion is only one.

A good sign of someone that has been abused and/or brainwashed is some one who continues to believe what they have been taught, even when clear and astonishing evidence has been put before them to prove the contrary, but they are still unable to change their view. This is also a good sign of someone who is likely to be an abuser themselves.



abuse is not about belief

abuse is : improper or excessive use or treatment

there is a list too long to mention of things that can be improperly used or excessively used

people use EXCESSIVE focus on sports abusively to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on academics to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on appearance and beauty to villify their children

but , as I said before, the abuse starts with the PERSON, not with their tool of choice,,,


When the tool of choice has been passed down to them through generation after generation, century after century, then that tool of choice has to take some blame eventually.

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/01/12 01:32 AM












Mankind has had religion since the beginnings of what we can dig up. One could say it is part of what makes us unique. Since it has such a long history as being part of our daily lives, it is hard to understand how one could say it is alien, harmful, or damaging.




One only needs to look at the state of
the world to understand how it has been damaging.
Eons of indoctrination has not served us well.
No difference between teaching a kid to make a bomb
and teaching a kid to use a gun to kill.




Now again since I can't account for all the different beliefs. Just look at the Christian point of view on what you have said. Heck the scriptures teach the same as they teach in elementry about your conduct "treat others the way you wish to be treated".


Matthew 7:12
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

do you need scriptures to tell you this or can't you think on your own?Matter of fact how stupid were people thousands of years ago to need someone to tell them,"you need to treat others as you want to be treated"


If it is not needed to be told, then why do they teach this to our children in early school? If they already know, then why tell them? And do you think children truly know this when they are born?




Some things are in our genes and do not need to be learnt, other things we pick up throughout life.

Children are instinctively gullible for a reason, it is in our human nature to trust our parents for reasons of survival. 'Dont swim with the crocodiles' for example, is good survival advice, and if we didnt listen to our parents advice we would not be as strong a species as we are.

This is why it is wrong to bring kids up with religion, because they will believe whatever you tell them even if it is wrong. If Christianity happened to be correct, then all those poor islamic and jewish kids are being led to a life full of wasted time, money and beliefs.





so who has the expertise or authority to determine that reigious beliefs are 'wrong'?


children are to be guided in the right direction, and that is each parents perogative to decide what that direction is,,,,,


sometimes not only children are gullible, sometimes children grow into adults who have been brainwashed to think if it makes you 'unhappy' or doesnt let you do WHATVER happens to make you happy,,,,its wrong


There are all kinds of mental and emotional abuse of which religion is only one.

A good sign of someone that has been abused and/or brainwashed is some one who continues to believe what they have been taught, even when clear and astonishing evidence has been put before them to prove the contrary, but they are still unable to change their view. This is also a good sign of someone who is likely to be an abuser themselves.



abuse is not about belief

abuse is : improper or excessive use or treatment

there is a list too long to mention of things that can be improperly used or excessively used

people use EXCESSIVE focus on sports abusively to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on academics to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on appearance and beauty to villify their children

but , as I said before, the abuse starts with the PERSON, not with their tool of choice,,,


When the tool of choice has been passed down to them through generation after generation, century after century, then that tool of choice has to take some blame eventually.



great, lets stop teaching boys to be athletic or girls to be ladies or that education is important or that we should try to be 'healthy'

these traditions keep being passed down and used abusively by many too,,,,,

Dan99's photo
Sun 04/01/12 05:54 AM













Mankind has had religion since the beginnings of what we can dig up. One could say it is part of what makes us unique. Since it has such a long history as being part of our daily lives, it is hard to understand how one could say it is alien, harmful, or damaging.




One only needs to look at the state of
the world to understand how it has been damaging.
Eons of indoctrination has not served us well.
No difference between teaching a kid to make a bomb
and teaching a kid to use a gun to kill.




Now again since I can't account for all the different beliefs. Just look at the Christian point of view on what you have said. Heck the scriptures teach the same as they teach in elementry about your conduct "treat others the way you wish to be treated".


Matthew 7:12
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

do you need scriptures to tell you this or can't you think on your own?Matter of fact how stupid were people thousands of years ago to need someone to tell them,"you need to treat others as you want to be treated"


If it is not needed to be told, then why do they teach this to our children in early school? If they already know, then why tell them? And do you think children truly know this when they are born?




Some things are in our genes and do not need to be learnt, other things we pick up throughout life.

Children are instinctively gullible for a reason, it is in our human nature to trust our parents for reasons of survival. 'Dont swim with the crocodiles' for example, is good survival advice, and if we didnt listen to our parents advice we would not be as strong a species as we are.

This is why it is wrong to bring kids up with religion, because they will believe whatever you tell them even if it is wrong. If Christianity happened to be correct, then all those poor islamic and jewish kids are being led to a life full of wasted time, money and beliefs.





so who has the expertise or authority to determine that reigious beliefs are 'wrong'?


children are to be guided in the right direction, and that is each parents perogative to decide what that direction is,,,,,


sometimes not only children are gullible, sometimes children grow into adults who have been brainwashed to think if it makes you 'unhappy' or doesnt let you do WHATVER happens to make you happy,,,,its wrong


There are all kinds of mental and emotional abuse of which religion is only one.

A good sign of someone that has been abused and/or brainwashed is some one who continues to believe what they have been taught, even when clear and astonishing evidence has been put before them to prove the contrary, but they are still unable to change their view. This is also a good sign of someone who is likely to be an abuser themselves.



abuse is not about belief

abuse is : improper or excessive use or treatment

there is a list too long to mention of things that can be improperly used or excessively used

people use EXCESSIVE focus on sports abusively to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on academics to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on appearance and beauty to villify their children

but , as I said before, the abuse starts with the PERSON, not with their tool of choice,,,


When the tool of choice has been passed down to them through generation after generation, century after century, then that tool of choice has to take some blame eventually.



great, lets stop teaching boys to be athletic or girls to be ladies or that education is important or that we should try to be 'healthy'

these traditions keep being passed down and used abusively by many too,,,,,


The problem with discussing religion with people that will defend it to the end, is that they will come out with the most stupidest of arguments in order to do so.

no photo
Sun 04/01/12 06:34 AM
Religion is Child Abuse?


getting children to practice eating flesh and drinking blood, dumping them into water by their Achilles Heel, cutting off the foreskin on their penis ...ou ou ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/01/12 10:08 AM














Mankind has had religion since the beginnings of what we can dig up. One could say it is part of what makes us unique. Since it has such a long history as being part of our daily lives, it is hard to understand how one could say it is alien, harmful, or damaging.




One only needs to look at the state of
the world to understand how it has been damaging.
Eons of indoctrination has not served us well.
No difference between teaching a kid to make a bomb
and teaching a kid to use a gun to kill.




Now again since I can't account for all the different beliefs. Just look at the Christian point of view on what you have said. Heck the scriptures teach the same as they teach in elementry about your conduct "treat others the way you wish to be treated".


Matthew 7:12
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

do you need scriptures to tell you this or can't you think on your own?Matter of fact how stupid were people thousands of years ago to need someone to tell them,"you need to treat others as you want to be treated"


If it is not needed to be told, then why do they teach this to our children in early school? If they already know, then why tell them? And do you think children truly know this when they are born?




Some things are in our genes and do not need to be learnt, other things we pick up throughout life.

Children are instinctively gullible for a reason, it is in our human nature to trust our parents for reasons of survival. 'Dont swim with the crocodiles' for example, is good survival advice, and if we didnt listen to our parents advice we would not be as strong a species as we are.

This is why it is wrong to bring kids up with religion, because they will believe whatever you tell them even if it is wrong. If Christianity happened to be correct, then all those poor islamic and jewish kids are being led to a life full of wasted time, money and beliefs.





so who has the expertise or authority to determine that reigious beliefs are 'wrong'?


children are to be guided in the right direction, and that is each parents perogative to decide what that direction is,,,,,


sometimes not only children are gullible, sometimes children grow into adults who have been brainwashed to think if it makes you 'unhappy' or doesnt let you do WHATVER happens to make you happy,,,,its wrong


There are all kinds of mental and emotional abuse of which religion is only one.

A good sign of someone that has been abused and/or brainwashed is some one who continues to believe what they have been taught, even when clear and astonishing evidence has been put before them to prove the contrary, but they are still unable to change their view. This is also a good sign of someone who is likely to be an abuser themselves.



abuse is not about belief

abuse is : improper or excessive use or treatment

there is a list too long to mention of things that can be improperly used or excessively used

people use EXCESSIVE focus on sports abusively to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on academics to villify their children, they use EXCESSIVE focus on appearance and beauty to villify their children

but , as I said before, the abuse starts with the PERSON, not with their tool of choice,,,


When the tool of choice has been passed down to them through generation after generation, century after century, then that tool of choice has to take some blame eventually.



great, lets stop teaching boys to be athletic or girls to be ladies or that education is important or that we should try to be 'healthy'

these traditions keep being passed down and used abusively by many too,,,,,


The problem with discussing religion with people that will defend it to the end, is that they will come out with the most stupidest of arguments in order to do so.



same as discussing it with people that will use the 'stupidest' arguments to condemn it,,,,:smile:

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 04/02/12 08:14 PM
"The problem with discussing religion with people that will defend it to the end, is that they will come out with the most stupidest of arguments in order to do so. "

The true problem with you 'discussing' religion with people (with the intention of proving that their method of education of the young is tainted)

Is the blatant attempt at comming between me and the training I give to my child.

got teach your own how you would teach them...

And stay out of my space betwen me and my children.

It aint none of your business.


CowboyGH's photo
Mon 04/02/12 08:25 PM

"The problem with discussing religion with people that will defend it to the end, is that they will come out with the most stupidest of arguments in order to do so. "

The true problem with you 'discussing' religion with people (with the intention of proving that their method of education of the young is tainted)

Is the blatant attempt at comming between me and the training I give to my child.

got teach your own how you would teach them...

And stay out of my space betwen me and my children.

It aint none of your business.




Exactly true, it ain't nobody elses buisness how one wishes to raise their children.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 04/02/12 08:29 PM

This was going to be a post in another thread, but i thought it deserved a thread of its own..

Its funny to see people arguing over things written in Genesis. Arguing like they truly believe that the story is real.

Actually, it isn't funny at all, its a massive shame. Its a shame that their brains have been so polluted that they cannot see what is obvious to many others(that being that the story is just a story, which even many religious people acknowledge). It is a shame that no matter how much evidence and logic is put before them, that they will keep on believing.

The biggest shame of all, is that when these people have children, they will indoctrinate the same rubbish into their babies tiny brains, and they'll grow up as misguided as them. And the vicious cycle continues to continue. This is one major reason why so many people in the world believe so much in their imaginary friend they call God. This is nothing short of Child Abuse. The abused grow up and keep abusing, and they think its perfectly normal.

Installing religion into a childs gullible mind, is wrong, and abusive. Agree or Disagree?


Definitely abuse. And the actions of the parent guided by the bible is abuse also.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 04/02/12 08:44 PM
Go teach your children your way...

Stay out of the space between my children and me...

It aint none of your business.

Abuse someone other than a religious person today would you?

I am allready being told what I can and can not put into my own body by self proclaimed dogooders with delusions of 'god hood by no god'..

Stay out of my family relationships.

msharmony's photo
Tue 04/03/12 01:35 AM

Go teach your children your way...

Stay out of the space between my children and me...

It aint none of your business.

Abuse someone other than a religious person today would you?

I am allready being told what I can and can not put into my own body by self proclaimed dogooders with delusions of 'god hood by no god'..

Stay out of my family relationships.




thats one sentiment I definitely agree with,,,

whats next?

making sweet treats a form of child abuse?
cable tv?
birth control pills?

scary control issues from those complaining about how a book tries to control,,,,

no photo
Tue 04/03/12 06:29 AM
if how one raise their children were no one business then all the parents should band together and get rid of Child Protection Services ...it's a useless government organization and a waste of the taxpayers money...clearly everyone knows that God protects Children and fools

if a parent choose not to take their near death child to the doctor with the intentions of following their Faith and allowing God to heal the child instead...why is that anyone's business ... shame on the government for it's intrusion on religious freedom

msharmony's photo
Tue 04/03/12 07:13 AM

if how one raise their children were no one business then all the parents should band together and get rid of Child Protection Services ...it's a useless government organization and a waste of the taxpayers money...clearly everyone knows that God protects Children and fools

if a parent choose not to take their near death child to the doctor with the intentions of following their Faith and allowing God to heal the child instead...why is that anyone's business ... shame on the government for it's intrusion on religious freedom




saving a physical life is different than determining what 'harmful' lessons constitute abuse,,,,

and I Actually agree that inaction should not in itself be a crime,,,

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 04/03/12 07:29 AM
if how one raise their children were no one business then all the parents should band together and get rid of Child Protection Services ...it's a useless government organization and a waste of the taxpayers money...clearly everyone knows that God protects Children and fools

if a parent choose not to take their near death child to the doctor with the intentions of following their Faith and allowing God to heal the child instead...why is that anyone's business ... shame on the government for it's intrusion on religious freedom




if a parent choose not to take their near death child to the doctor with the intentions of following their Faith and allowing God to heal the child instead...why is that anyone's business ... shame on the government for it's intrusion on religious freedom


If a parent chooses not to take their near death child to a doctor, that child needs to be taken away. God works through people Funches, there is no lack of faith taking a child to a doctor rather then allowing the child to stay home and possibly die.

no photo
Tue 04/03/12 09:51 AM


if how one raise their children were no one business then all the parents should band together and get rid of Child Protection Services ...it's a useless government organization and a waste of the taxpayers money...clearly everyone knows that God protects Children and fools

if a parent choose not to take their near death child to the doctor with the intentions of following their Faith and allowing God to heal the child instead...why is that anyone's business ... shame on the government for it's intrusion on religious freedom


saving a physical life is different than determining what 'harmful' lessons constitute abuse,,,,


why?...since both refers to Faith


and I Actually agree that inaction should not in itself be a crime,,,


inaction due to Faith?

no photo
Tue 04/03/12 09:56 AM

If a parent chooses not to take their near death child to a doctor, that child needs to be taken away.


so those that place their Faith in God and not Man should have their children taken away


God works through people Funches, there is no lack of faith taking a child to a doctor rather then allowing the child to stay home and possibly die.


Cowboy....if God works through people..then why not take the dying child to a priest ...

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 04/03/12 10:29 AM


If a parent chooses not to take their near death child to a doctor, that child needs to be taken away.


so those that place their Faith in God and not Man should have their children taken away


God works through people Funches, there is no lack of faith taking a child to a doctor rather then allowing the child to stay home and possibly die.


Cowboy....if God works through people..then why not take the dying child to a priest ...


Why would someone take their dying child to a priest? A priest delivers the word of God to people, he doesn't physically heal anyone. God doesn't just work through priests, preachers, ect. God works through EVERYONE. Now before you take that out into left field, I wish to go more into detail about it. God works through people to do God's will. Just thought I'd mention that before you went off talking about murders or something. Because murdering would be totally against God's will, thus God was not working through that person, ect ect.

no photo
Tue 04/03/12 10:36 AM

Why would someone take their dying child to a priest?


wouldn't one reason be to get last rites? ...your wish to argue blinds you to the obvious

but anyway if one is religious and insist that God works through people then they would run to a priest before they ran to a Doctor ...

unless of course for some odd reason God's Omnipotence requires that he can only work through those people that have medical degrees

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 04/03/12 10:43 AM


Why would someone take their dying child to a priest?


wouldn't one reason be to get last rites? ...your wish to argue blinds you to the obvious

but anyway if one is religious and insist that God works through people then they would run to a priest before they ran to a Doctor ...

unless of course for some odd reason God's Omnipotence requires that he can only work through those people that have medical degrees


No, just the priest wouldn't know how to heal the person physically. God works through doctors as well. Again God works through PEOPLE, not just priests, preachers, ect.

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