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Topic: Nearly 1,000 Pakistani women ‘killed for honor’
Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 03/22/12 01:46 PM
Nearly 1,000 Pakistani women ‘killed for honor’ At least 943 Pakistani women and girls were murdered last year for allegedly defaming their family’s honor, the country’s leading human rights group said Thursday. The statistics highlight the growing scale of violence suffered by many women in conservative Muslim Pakistan, where they are frequently treated as second-class citizens and there is no law against domestic violence.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Thu 03/22/12 01:48 PM
Its this kind of thing that really gets me angry. I try to pride myself on cool and calm when trying to discuss things, but its this that will send me into a froth.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 03/22/12 01:50 PM
I do wish people would cherish human life over personal lusts, opinions, etc,,, I suspect its getting worse before it gets better,,,as our culture of fear expands,,,

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 03/22/12 01:53 PM Edited by Spidercmb on Thu 03/22/12 01:54 PM
I do wish people would cherish human life over personal lusts, opinions, etc,,, I suspect its getting worse before it gets better,,,as our culture of fear expands,,, Say what? EDIT: This thread is about women being murdered for honor in Pakistan, please don't try to make this about anything else.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 03/22/12 01:55 PM
I do wish people would cherish human life over personal lusts, opinions, etc,,, I suspect its getting worse before it gets better,,,as our culture of fear expands,,, Say what? EDIT: This thread is about women being murdered for honor in Pakistan, please don't try to make this about anything else. excuse me, I thought women being murdered (for whatever reason) was directly related to valuing human life excuse my mistake,,,,

Sloe00 Joined Sat 03/03/12 Posts: 434	Thu 03/22/12 01:55 PM
murderous primitive beliefs (by whomever) are so beyond me.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 03/22/12 01:57 PM
I totally understand the logic that the spirit is more important than the flesh and I understand the desire of some to save the spirit by killing the flesh but I dont agree with it,

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 03/22/12 02:00 PM Edited by Spidercmb on Thu 03/22/12 02:09 PM
I do wish people would cherish human life over personal lusts, opinions, etc,,, I suspect its getting worse before it gets better,,,as our culture of fear expands,,, Say what? EDIT: This thread is about women being murdered for honor in Pakistan, please don't try to make this about anything else. excuse me, I thought women being murdered (for whatever reason) was directly related to valuing human life excuse my mistake,,,, Your mistake was thinking that you should smear America as a "culture of fear" and equate anything that happens here with the murders of these innocent women. Instead of standing on their graves to attack other people, just lay sound flowers around it and move on.

Sloe00 Joined Sat 03/03/12 Posts: 434	Thu 03/22/12 02:02 PM Edited by Sloe00 on Thu 03/22/12 03:01 PM
I totally understand the logic that the spirit is more important than the flesh and I understand the desire of some to save the spirit by killing the flesh but I dont agree with it, ah, yes, that`s their thought process. too bad some can`t let a person be in charge of their own spirit. it`s truly terrible that these things go on. piled on top of all the other chit that goes on in this world.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 03/22/12 02:03 PM
I do wish people would cherish human life over personal lusts, opinions, etc,,, I suspect its getting worse before it gets better,,,as our culture of fear expands,,, Say what? EDIT: This thread is about women being murdered for honor in Pakistan, please don't try to make this about anything else. excuse me, I thought women being murdered (for whatever reason) was directly related to valuing human life excuse my mistake,,,, Your mistake was thinking that you should smear America as a "culture of fear" and equate anything that happens here with the murders of the innocent women. Instead of standing on their graves to attack other people, just lay sound flowers around it and move on. why assume I was limiting my statement to America? thsts interesting Im equating taking life with taking life,, does it matter where the life is taken? why cant I lay flowers around ALL those losing life senselessly,,,?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 03/22/12 02:04 PM
I totally understand the logic that the spirit is more important than the flesh and I understand the desire of some to save the spirit by killing the flesh but I dont agree with it, That's not how it works most of the time. Here's how it works: You get raped, so you are stoned to death. It's never about the woman's spirit or purity. It's because victims bring "dishonor" on the family. There is nothing honorable or noble in their goals. You are romanticizing this.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 03/22/12 02:06 PM
why assume I was limiting my statement to America? thsts interesting Im equating taking life with taking life,, does it matter where the life is taken? why cant I lay flowers around ALL those losing life senselessly,,,? Stick to the topic please. This is about women being murdered for "honor", not whatever imaginary crusade you want to talk about.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32401	Thu 03/22/12 02:57 PM
I believe there are even more in jail for "adultery" after being raped as well. Some of them are probably safer in jail though.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 03/22/12 03:13 PM
why assume I was limiting my statement to America? thsts interesting Im equating taking life with taking life,, does it matter where the life is taken? why cant I lay flowers around ALL those losing life senselessly,,,? Stick to the topic please. This is about women being murdered for "honor", not whatever imaginary crusade you want to talk about. so the topic has to be specifically about 'honor' killings and any other type of human killing is not relevant? thanx for clearing that up

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Thu 03/22/12 05:47 PM
I do wish people would cherish human life over personal lusts, opinions, etc,,, I suspect its getting worse before it gets better,,,as our culture of fear expands,,, Say what? EDIT: This thread is about women being murdered for honor in Pakistan, please don't try to make this about anything else. excuse me, I thought women being murdered (for whatever reason) was directly related to valuing human life excuse my mistake,,,, Your mistake was thinking that you should smear America as a "culture of fear" and equate anything that happens here with the murders of these innocent women. Instead of standing on their graves to attack other people, just lay sound flowers around it and move on. Looks like that's what the topic of this thread is doing...

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Thu 03/22/12 06:02 PM
I do wish people would cherish human life over personal lusts, opinions, etc,,, I suspect its getting worse before it gets better,,,as our culture of fear expands,,, Say what? EDIT: This thread is about women being murdered for honor in Pakistan, please don't try to make this about anything else. excuse me, I thought women being murdered (for whatever reason) was directly related to valuing human life excuse my mistake,,,, Your mistake was thinking that you should smear America as a "culture of fear" and equate anything that happens here with the murders of these innocent women. Instead of standing on their graves to attack other people, just lay sound flowers around it and move on. You make too many assumptions sometimes. Instead of assuming you know exactly what she meant, why not ask her instead of accusing her?

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Thu 03/22/12 06:08 PM
I do wish people would cherish human life over personal lusts, opinions, etc,,, I suspect its getting worse before it gets better,,,as our culture of fear expands,,, Say what? EDIT: This thread is about women being murdered for honor in Pakistan, please don't try to make this about anything else. excuse me, I thought women being murdered (for whatever reason) was directly related to valuing human life excuse my mistake,,,, Your mistake was thinking that you should smear America as a "culture of fear" and equate anything that happens here with the murders of these innocent women. Instead of standing on their graves to attack other people, just lay sound flowers around it and move on. You make too many assumptions sometimes. Instead of assuming you know exactly what she meant, why not ask her instead of accusing her? Very Simple Solution Some people would rather assume than ask Questions.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 03/22/12 06:45 PM
so the topic has to be specifically about 'honor' killings and any other type of human killing is not relevant? Yes, it's in the title. Please make threads to discuss any other issues you want to talk about.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Thu 03/22/12 06:46 PM
Very Simple Solution Some people would rather assume than ask Questions. Says the man who often does not like to be questioned.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 03/22/12 06:48 PM
excuse me, I Was discussing something I thought was relevant to 'honor' killing under the umbrella of unjustified killing sticking STRICTLY to killings in the name of honor though, I feel killers should have punishments themself and stricter punishment is needed for honor killers to try to deter the potential for others to follow suit,,,