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Topic: Nearly 1,000 Pakistani women ‘killed for honor’
Ruth34611's photo
Thu 03/22/12 06:49 PM

excuse me, I Was discussing something I thought was relevant to 'honor' killing under the umbrella of unjustified killing


sticking STRICTLY to killings in the name of honor though, I feel killers should have punishments themself and stricter punishment is needed for honor killers to try to deter the potential for others to follow suit,,,


Well, that's the problem. There is no punishment for honor killing.

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/22/12 06:50 PM


excuse me, I Was discussing something I thought was relevant to 'honor' killing under the umbrella of unjustified killing


sticking STRICTLY to killings in the name of honor though, I feel killers should have punishments themself and stricter punishment is needed for honor killers to try to deter the potential for others to follow suit,,,


Well, that's the problem. There is no punishment for honor killing.



actually, in some places there are and in others there arent

in those places who have punishment, though, the punishment is light

Ruth34611's photo
Thu 03/22/12 06:54 PM

actually, in some places there are and in others there arent

in those places who have punishment, though, the punishment is light


The punishment is non-existent or light because it is culturally accepted and expected. Harsher penalties will not help much when the society promotes this.

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Thu 03/22/12 06:56 PM


Pride and greed are probrably the cause of all "evil" in the world...



Ruth34611's photo
Thu 03/22/12 06:58 PM



Pride and greed are probrably the cause of all "evil" in the world...





I'd have to say that's probably true.

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/22/12 06:58 PM


actually, in some places there are and in others there arent

in those places who have punishment, though, the punishment is light


The punishment is non-existent or light because it is culturally accepted and expected. Harsher penalties will not help much when the society promotes this.



harsher penalties would reflect less 'acceptance' or 'expectation'

noone can change peoples minds if they are not open to it, we can only deter their behavior


Ruth34611's photo
Thu 03/22/12 07:00 PM



actually, in some places there are and in others there arent

in those places who have punishment, though, the punishment is light


The punishment is non-existent or light because it is culturally accepted and expected. Harsher penalties will not help much when the society promotes this.



harsher penalties would reflect less 'acceptance' or 'expectation'

noone can change peoples minds if they are not open to it, we can only deter their behavior




True. If these governments actually passed harsher laws AND the local law enforcement investigated and prosecuted the offenders it would help.

In some of the areas, the law requires 4 adult male witnesses to testify to the rape in order to convict. You can imagine how frequently that happens.

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/22/12 07:03 PM




actually, in some places there are and in others there arent

in those places who have punishment, though, the punishment is light


The punishment is non-existent or light because it is culturally accepted and expected. Harsher penalties will not help much when the society promotes this.



harsher penalties would reflect less 'acceptance' or 'expectation'

noone can change peoples minds if they are not open to it, we can only deter their behavior




True. If these governments actually passed harsher laws AND the local law enforcement investigated and prosecuted the offenders it would help.

In some of the areas, the law requires 4 adult male witnesses to testify to the rape in order to convict. You can imagine how frequently that happens.



that is terribly unfair to the woman, I Agree

Ruth34611's photo
Thu 03/22/12 07:09 PM


that is terribly unfair to the woman, I Agree


I guess that's the difference between us.

You find it terribly unfair.

I find it to be an outrage.

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/22/12 07:32 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 03/22/12 07:33 PM



that is terribly unfair to the woman, I Agree


I guess that's the difference between us.

You find it terribly unfair.

I find it to be an outrage.



I was speaking it is unfair to require four witnesses to a crime before it is prosecuted

no photo
Thu 03/22/12 07:36 PM




that is terribly unfair to the woman, I Agree


I guess that's the difference between us.

You find it terribly unfair.

I find it to be an outrage.



I was speaking it is unfair to require four witnesses to a crime before it is prosecuted


Oh no, the crime is still prosecuted. It's just that if a woman says she was raped and she doesn't have four male witnesses, then she is admitting to adultery and has to be executed.

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Thu 03/22/12 08:05 PM


The Qur'an advocates and instructs readers to respect the prior Gospels.

So why aren't the Hebrew's rules for rape victims applied?




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