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Topic: Euthanasia : Should It Be Legal ?
Magicman1950's photo
Tue 03/13/12 09:53 AM
Had to sign the papers for my dad to be taken off life support. Cancer had eaten him up, all he had left was pain. He lived on for a day or two and passed away quietly in his sleep. He had written a directive that he didnt want to be kept alive by artificial means. He felt that man has a warped way of trying to counter act what G-D has ordained. It was hard for me because I didnt want to let go, but realized how selfish it was for me to prolong his suffering.
Uriel
Itzhak HaLevi Mar 18, 1921 to Mar 14, 1990

Magicman1950's photo
Tue 03/13/12 09:58 AM
Now because I have to be a smart azz and because the only way I can deal with the memory of dads death, I must do what he would do!


Youth in Asia, I guess they should be legal as long as they behave themselves.

TheCaptain's photo
Tue 03/13/12 10:04 AM
Thanks Magicman.......you are not alone.

Magicman1950's photo
Tue 03/13/12 10:09 AM
Sorry about the bad attempt at humor, but it is how I cope. 34 years of military taught me, if you cant shoot it, paint it or salute it, youve got to laugh at it.

no photo
Tue 03/13/12 10:37 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 03/13/12 10:38 AM
I think you should read my post again. I didnt say they should be 'illegal'

I just said it shouldnt be made 'legal'
Word games. Any thing not made specifically illegal is legal by definition.

no photo
Tue 03/13/12 11:11 AM
SURE IM ALL FOR IT

LETS START WITH PEOPLE LIKE BILL GATES AND WARREN BUFFET

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/13/12 12:51 PM

I think you should read my post again. I didnt say they should be 'illegal'

I just said it shouldnt be made 'legal'
Word games. Any thing not made specifically illegal is legal by definition.




great, than homosexual marriage is 'already legal' because nothing says its against the law


msharmony's photo
Tue 03/13/12 12:52 PM

Had to sign the papers for my dad to be taken off life support. Cancer had eaten him up, all he had left was pain. He lived on for a day or two and passed away quietly in his sleep. He had written a directive that he didnt want to be kept alive by artificial means. He felt that man has a warped way of trying to counter act what G-D has ordained. It was hard for me because I didnt want to let go, but realized how selfish it was for me to prolong his suffering.
Uriel
Itzhak HaLevi Mar 18, 1921 to Mar 14, 1990


I empathize with this. Life support, to me, suggests a life is already being artificially prolonged that would have naturally ceased if left alone. Your decision not to prolong the inevitable is something I certainly support, as opposed to ending the pain someone is still 'living' with

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Tue 03/13/12 12:52 PM


I think you should read my post again. I didnt say they should be 'illegal'

I just said it shouldnt be made 'legal'
Word games. Any thing not made specifically illegal is legal by definition.




great, than homosexual marriage is 'already legal' because nothing says its against the law




Technically, this is true.

However, it is "immoral" in the eyes of "God".

Therefore, "priests" originally/won't openly partake in a "sin".

Some will, but some also **** little boys..

So, yeah.

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Tue 03/13/12 12:54 PM
my point is same sex marriage is not LEGALLY recognized although it is not explicitly 'illegal'

plenty of things I dont wish the government to validate/ support /promote/ encourage through legal recognition, although I also dont want those things to be explicitly 'illegal'

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Tue 03/13/12 03:21 PM



I empathize with this. Life support, to me, suggests a life is already being artificially prolonged that would have naturally ceased if left alone. Your decision not to prolong the inevitable is something I certainly support, as opposed to ending the pain someone is still 'living' with
Life support for an individual that has been diagnosed with a terminal illness begins at the time you are diagnosed and start taking drugs to manage the course of the disease. Thats when the long fight begins to preserve your way of life as you want it. This is when the individual begins to prolong the inevitable. After fighting for years to hang on to an acceptable lifestyle a person should have the right to gracefully accept the inevitable and making end of life decisions. As a father and grandfather do I want to make my kids responsible for a decision like that?

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Tue 03/13/12 03:21 PM



I empathize with this. Life support, to me, suggests a life is already being artificially prolonged that would have naturally ceased if left alone. Your decision not to prolong the inevitable is something I certainly support, as opposed to ending the pain someone is still 'living' with
Life support for an individual that has been diagnosed with a terminal illness begins at the time you are diagnosed and start taking drugs to manage the course of the disease. Thats when the long fight begins to preserve your way of life as you want it. This is when the individual begins to prolong the inevitable. After fighting for years to hang on to an acceptable lifestyle a person should have the right to gracefully accept the inevitable and making end of life decisions. As a father and grandfather do I want to make my kids responsible for a decision like that?

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Tue 03/13/12 06:26 PM




I empathize with this. Life support, to me, suggests a life is already being artificially prolonged that would have naturally ceased if left alone. Your decision not to prolong the inevitable is something I certainly support, as opposed to ending the pain someone is still 'living' with
Life support for an individual that has been diagnosed with a terminal illness begins at the time you are diagnosed and start taking drugs to manage the course of the disease. Thats when the long fight begins to preserve your way of life as you want it. This is when the individual begins to prolong the inevitable. After fighting for years to hang on to an acceptable lifestyle a person should have the right to gracefully accept the inevitable and making end of life decisions. As a father and grandfather do I want to make my kids responsible for a decision like that?



I dont know

I wouldnt. thats why I Wouldnt support such a law with the exception of having medical professionals who are already prolonging a life in a hospital be permitted to 'unplug' at the familys request or, more fairly, at the request of a written will by the patient requesting they do so at a given point....

Magicman1950's photo
Tue 03/13/12 06:58 PM
Other side of the coin: In 2006, I was placed in Hospice, my family as told I had 2 weeks to live. I was on a morphine drip as I was in severe pain, beyond anything Id ever wish even on my worst enemy. I had a rare cancer that only 9 people in the world have survived. Three weeks after being placed there to die, I walked out. Within a month I was cancer free and have remained ever since. I have severe pain issues still to this day due to spinal surgery to remove a tumor. However, I got rid of the morphine and went to a great pain management clinic.
If I had opted for dying, it would have been a mistake.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 03/13/12 07:35 PM

I want to hear from someone who has made the choice to end a life. Not in theory or in ideals, but actually made a decision based on medical advice to end the life of a loved one.

Ending a life by turning off a tool and allowing nature to take its course is one thing.

Delibrately using a tool to end a life is killing another human.

Mercy is still killing.

For those that think this has no religious connotations consider this.

Anyone you allow to take their own life (for mercy's sake) you have damned to blindness in heaven for but turning your back.

One can not get to heaven at their own hand.

That gate is closed and drops a dark veil between the person and God.

God can see them.

They are blind to God.

Would you want to be the one that so blinded another that they must stumble through heaven and regret their choice?

Magicman1950's photo
Tue 03/13/12 08:26 PM
I spent 34 years in the military. Im a Veit Nam Vet as well as being in many operations in my home country of Israel. Ive had to make the choice of Kill or not many times.

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Tue 03/13/12 08:42 PM

Other side of the coin: In 2006, I was placed in Hospice, my family as told I had 2 weeks to live. I was on a morphine drip as I was in severe pain, beyond anything Id ever wish even on my worst enemy. I had a rare cancer that only 9 people in the world have survived. Three weeks after being placed there to die, I walked out. Within a month I was cancer free and have remained ever since. I have severe pain issues still to this day due to spinal surgery to remove a tumor. However, I got rid of the morphine and went to a great pain management clinic.
If I had opted for dying, it would have been a mistake.
I have M.S. for those that are unfamiliar with this disease it affects the brain and nervous system. The protective coating on your nerves deteriorates. In laymans terms you short out. There is no cure. It affects every part of your body. Hopefully mine doesn't progress rapidly. But progress it will. I intend to fight as long as as I can, I don't want to die. But when the option is laying in a bed in agonizing nerve pain ,blind, with all motor skills gone unable to even control my body functions. or allowing me to end my life in a dignified manner guess which one wins. I want an option

Dragoness's photo
Tue 03/13/12 08:50 PM
I believe it should be allowed and assisted by someone who will make sure it is not unsuccessful so there will not be a worse situation than in the beginning.

It will shorten outrageous hospital bills that relatives or tax payers have to shoulder.

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