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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe - part 2
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Sat 03/24/12 04:51 AM

Right, amoebas don't have brains.


it appears that you and the amoeba have something in common

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Sat 03/24/12 04:58 AM

Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two

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Sat 03/24/12 07:59 AM


Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two


I would never.

I will not have the flesh I do now, I will not have the same temptations there as I do now. I will not have the same fleshly desires there as I do now.

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Sat 03/24/12 08:05 AM




Not true.

The "Flesh" is easily exposed to corruption, whereas, the "Spirit" is not as easily corruptible.

That which you find "tempting" in the flesh, you shall not as the "Spirit".

Such is common sense.


about as much common sense than an amoeba has.....an amoeba can blame the flesh since the amoeba has no brain and run on stimuli ...."Free Will" suggest that you can make decisions


Crap, forgot it's you we're talking about..
..even an amoeba is smarter then you.

Here.
I'll explain it for you.

"Flesh"
"Spirit" - Both have "free-will".

"Flesh" - Tempted, easily corruptible.

"Spirit" - Cannot be as easily tempted; has "free-will" but uses it to make "right" choices, not "influenced" ones.

If Eve was a spirit, the snake would have been turned away.
If Adam was a spirit, Eve would have been rejected.

I'm sure you'll conjure up something to counter this.
So, grab a seat, here comes the trolling.


now your rambling like Cowboy....there will be temptation in both Earth and in Heaven ....doesn't matter if you are flesh or spirit you simply are not supposed to disobey God


No there will not be temptations in Heaven. Satan is whom temps us to do things, come Judgement time, Satan will be destroyed. Thus then nothing or no one to tempt us anymore.

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Sat 03/24/12 10:08 AM



Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two


I would never.

I will not have the flesh I do now, I will not have the same temptations there as I do now. I will not have the same fleshly desires there as I do now.


In Heaven you will have desires not of the Flesh...so unless your "Free Will" is shred right along with your fleshy body....then you will still have the opportunity to disobey God in Heaven the same as you have done on Earth

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Sat 03/24/12 10:11 AM




Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two


I would never.

I will not have the flesh I do now, I will not have the same temptations there as I do now. I will not have the same fleshly desires there as I do now.


In Heaven you will have desires not of the Flesh...so unless your "Free Will" is shred right along with your fleshy body....then you will still have the opportunity to disobey God in Heaven the same as you have done on Earth


but like they said temptation will be far easier to ignore

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Sat 03/24/12 10:26 AM



Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two


I would never.

I will not have the flesh I do now, I will not have the same temptations there as I do now. I will not have the same fleshly desires there as I do now.
so what are you going to be?

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Sat 03/24/12 10:27 AM




Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two


I would never.

I will not have the flesh I do now, I will not have the same temptations there as I do now. I will not have the same fleshly desires there as I do now.
so what are you going to be?


"spirit"

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Sat 03/24/12 10:35 AM





Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two


I would never.

I will not have the flesh I do now, I will not have the same temptations there as I do now. I will not have the same fleshly desires there as I do now.


In Heaven you will have desires not of the Flesh...so unless your "Free Will" is shred right along with your fleshy body....then you will still have the opportunity to disobey God in Heaven the same as you have done on Earth


but like they said temptation will be far easier to ignore


"Pride" exist beyond flesh and is a temptation that will be no more easier to ignore in Heaven than it was to ignore here on Earth ..."Pride" exist under many names....and one of those names is "Free WIll"

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Sat 03/24/12 10:38 AM


"Pride" exist beyond flesh and is a temptation that will be no more easier to ignore in Heaven than it was to ignore here on Earth ..."Pride" exist under many names....and one of those names is "Free WIll"



how so?
now we find ourselves easily tempted/corrupted becuz of our distance from god

however such does not exist there
pride, like love here, will be but just a word

whats there to be "prideful" of, eh?

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Sat 03/24/12 10:41 AM



"Pride" exist beyond flesh and is a temptation that will be no more easier to ignore in Heaven than it was to ignore here on Earth ..."Pride" exist under many names....and one of those names is "Free WIll"



how so?
now we find ourselves easily tempted/corrupted becuz of our distance from god

however such does not exist there
pride, like love here, will be but just a word

whats there to be "prideful" of, eh?


if Pride didn't exist in Heaven...then explain why Satan is no longer in Heaven.....

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Sat 03/24/12 10:51 AM
Edited by MonkeyBite on Sat 03/24/12 11:08 AM

if Pride didn't exist in Heaven...then explain why Satan is no longer in Heaven.....


Ezekial 28: 12-19

15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.


his own duty.
his arrogance grew.

this "pride" you speak of, here, didnt take place in heaven
satan became corrupted on earth, was judged in heaven, and banished/forbidden from returning


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Sat 03/24/12 11:07 AM




Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two


I would never.

I will not have the flesh I do now, I will not have the same temptations there as I do now. I will not have the same fleshly desires there as I do now.
so what are you going to be?



Philippians 3:21


21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

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Sat 03/24/12 11:32 AM


if Pride didn't exist in Heaven...then explain why Satan is no longer in Heaven.....


Ezekial 28: 12-19

15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.


his own duty.
his arrogance grew.

this "pride" you speak of, here, didnt take place in heaven
satan became corrupted on earth, was judged in heaven, and banished/forbidden from returning




Satan was a Being of Heaven...so it's not about where the pride took place...it's about whether those of Heaven can have pride



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Sat 03/24/12 11:37 AM





Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two


I would never.

I will not have the flesh I do now, I will not have the same temptations there as I do now. I will not have the same fleshly desires there as I do now.
so what are you going to be?



Philippians 3:21


21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.


if there is no pride in Heaven then there is no "Free Will" in Heaven

in this case followers will be nothing more than Robot Clones, required only to do as they are told with no questions ask with no thoughts of their own


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Sat 03/24/12 11:38 AM


Satan was a Being of Heaven...so it's not about where the pride took place...it's about whether those of Heaven can have pride



oh?

so the further the distance from god has nothing to do with it?
what proof do u have of such?

my proof lies in that ALL sin takes places OUTSIDE of "paradise" not within it

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Sat 03/24/12 11:41 AM

so the further the distance from god has nothing to do with it?
what proof do u have of such?


isn't God omnipresent and exist everywhere?

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Sat 03/24/12 11:44 AM






Either way I am the only one accountable for my own actions.


which is why if you are capable of using your 'Free Will" not to obey God on Earth....you therefore are capable of not obeying God in Heaven.....you may simply get tired of having to follow God's rules for all eternity give or take a day or two


I would never.

I will not have the flesh I do now, I will not have the same temptations there as I do now. I will not have the same fleshly desires there as I do now.
so what are you going to be?



Philippians 3:21


21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.


if there is no pride in Heaven then there is no "Free Will" in Heaven

in this case followers will be nothing more than Robot Clones, required only to do as they are told with no questions ask with no thoughts of their own




Not true. Having pride in yourself is believing in yourself before anyone or anything else. Without God we have nothing, thus have nothing to be proud of. For it is only through God we can do anything.

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Sat 03/24/12 11:44 AM


so the further the distance from god has nothing to do with it?
what proof do u have of such?


isn't God omnipresent and exist everywhere?


you mean "in everything"? a part of him is in everything, aye

but a framer can have his presence felt everywhere if he builds an entire village, but u'll only feel/know his presence the strongest once you are inside his own abode


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Sat 03/24/12 11:45 AM



so the further the distance from god has nothing to do with it?
what proof do u have of such?


isn't God omnipresent and exist everywhere?


you mean "in everything"? a part of him is in everything, aye

but a framer can have his presence felt everywhere if he builds an entire village, but u'll only feel/know his presence the strongest once you are inside his own abode



a framer is not an omnipresent God

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