Topic: Poverty
krupa's photo
Sat 05/04/13 08:40 AM
Edited by krupa on Sat 05/04/13 08:44 AM
Whatever....

Most all of us have gone without....(here in America )

Poverty sucks....

No sugar coating it....

But...popping up poverty porn pics just remind me of fat a$$ed Sally Fields commercials from the 80's.

Her big fat butt waddling through some peasant village in Kenya or Ethiopia in a white pant suit..earnestly pleading for people to send money for a photograph of a kid with a couple of flies on its mouth.

Sorry..off topic.

I will just ask this...

Okay Dodo.....this is your thread....lead by example....what have you done to eliminate global poverty?

Please post some receipts...cause otherwise....this is all just talk...which is easy....and cheap.

Getting other people to pay the bill ain't gonna fly with me.

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 05/04/13 08:59 AM
noway Who revived this thread?

krupa's photo
Sat 05/04/13 09:02 AM

noway Who revived this thread?


I was just trying to figure that out dude...

Just saw the "I wish I never started it"

Sorry.....

No good deed goes unpunished.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 05/04/13 09:04 AM

noway Who revived this thread?
Halfway down on Page 3!

Traumer's photo
Sat 05/04/13 10:03 AM
QUOTE: " itd not really about that you are the only one concerned about it, you are the only one taking the initiation to get people 'aware' of the fact what is happening in certain places certain parts of the world.

but really you posting it on this site, using money for internet electricity and sitting in your home wasteing time on this. does not really help the cause either my friend.

if you wanna do somethign about poverty sell all your items and move to the third world and live there to make a change, sending money and food and complaining that others are 'shut-eyed' about the fact is pretty hypocritical.
its like having an unfinished plate of food and arguing that eating it is better than throwing it since people half around the world are starving!

you wanna help, you gotta be there in their form, live their life dont belive what they say on the news its all rigged so everyone looks better than the other they are accusing. there is so much more out there than what meets the eye!
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lovahbwoi
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Wed 03/07/12 02:26 AM
i recon it all comes from self intrests and greed throughout history!
if the aspect MONEY would havve been cancelled formt his world than the word poverty would totally change!
im waiting for the day the world turns on itself and we all have to start from scratch agian with no electricty and computers that is when the ipoverized people will survive and the rich and spoilled will no longer know how to continue thier so long defined life in perfection!


Many places within the 'third and fourth worlds' have basically resorted to the age old barter system for food and even shelter that can be traded especially by crafts people that can make things for the rents or even 'purchase of living quarters in many places in several African and Arabic areas around the Gulf of Aden where poverty is totally ignored by the so called self-styled 'saviors of
Islam', the Saudis and their billions. Most of the endemic poverty areas all happen to be of the wrong religious persuasion not being Sunny or the Saudi Wahabi fanatics( like those Saudis that flew the jets into the Twin Towers).
Having spent some years all over Africa the only consistent efforts by any of the Europeans has come from mostly the French and their military who also provide the basic safeguards for stability for several countries. Unfortunately, as the quoted post above implies, the local politics are sometimes and in most places a severe 'dis-service' to the people of many countries who care only about how much they can embezzle for the Swiss bank accounts. Perhaps one significant step the Swiss could take as they have for the American Govt. in notifying them of suspected income tax evaders that have accounts there, would be to freeze the bank accounts of the dictators until they are out of power. To take the moneys and other riches held in secret bank vaults for later return to a bona-fide govt. The major powers at the UN could back a UN mandated notice of freeze and confiscation and nullify any attempts for any dictator or their cronies to get those moneys back. This was brought up many years ago to certain UN officials in the security services but despite a very positive attitude to doing it, the Secretary General's staff at the UN quickly blocked that ideas from ever being brought up for debate...one can only try.
The English have a very negative attitude toward the impoverished in the third world; it has always struck me as if they are still locked into a 19th century mannerism of looking down their proverbial noses at them. Even countries that became independent from England kept not only the basic forms of British govt. but also kept that attitude. In one former colonial military, we had passed through a very badly poverty hit area with crop failure, drought and terrorists attacks. We stopped outside one village and within an hour some of the women with babies came toward out camp, stopped about 50 meters from us and just knelt to await for someone in command to ask them what they wanted...after 2 hours of waiting in the nearly 40 Celsius heat, I had enough and gathered up water cans and took it out to them, came back, took up a collection of our rations and went back to give it to them amidst other soldiers saying I was going go get into trouble for this. They were right. I was actually charged with possible association with terrorists...
The entire matter was later dropped by our Commandant upon return from patrol several days later. We had some former Portuguese officers with us as well as French and they were all appalled at the British attitudes of refusing to help the people that they were ostensibly defending, as many spoke out in favour of my actions. After the charges were dropped, somehow, I was still fined about fifty dollars 'for administrative costs'...Afterwards, our patrols took a lot of extra rations and handed them out as we went through villages.
In Tchad, with the French, we always had food trucks with us to give the poor and usually near starving villagers living on the rims of the encroaching sands of the Sahara that would ruin all their crops. The Brits could never understand that...to simply be humane in an inhumane world is always welcome and desperately needed. My apologies for the length of this . It just struck an old nerve.

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Sat 05/04/13 10:16 AM

QUOTE: " itd not really about that you are the only one concerned about it, you are the only one taking the initiation to get people 'aware' of the fact what is happening in certain places certain parts of the world.

but really you posting it on this site, using money for internet electricity and sitting in your home wasteing time on this. does not really help the cause either my friend.

if you wanna do somethign about poverty sell all your items and move to the third world and live there to make a change, sending money and food and complaining that others are 'shut-eyed' about the fact is pretty hypocritical.
its like having an unfinished plate of food and arguing that eating it is better than throwing it since people half around the world are starving!

you wanna help, you gotta be there in their form, live their life dont belive what they say on the news its all rigged so everyone looks better than the other they are accusing. there is so much more out there than what meets the eye!
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lovahbwoi
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Joined Thu 02/23/12
Posts: 17

Wed 03/07/12 02:26 AM
i recon it all comes from self intrests and greed throughout history!
if the aspect MONEY would havve been cancelled formt his world than the word poverty would totally change!
im waiting for the day the world turns on itself and we all have to start from scratch agian with no electricty and computers that is when the ipoverized people will survive and the rich and spoilled will no longer know how to continue thier so long defined life in perfection!


Many places within the 'third and fourth worlds' have basically resorted to the age old barter system for food and even shelter that can be traded especially by crafts people that can make things for the rents or even 'purchase of living quarters in many places in several African and Arabic areas around the Gulf of Aden where poverty is totally ignored by the so called self-styled 'saviors of
Islam', the Saudis and their billions. Most of the endemic poverty areas all happen to be of the wrong religious persuasion not being Sunny or the Saudi Wahabi fanatics( like those Saudis that flew the jets into the Twin Towers).
Having spent some years all over Africa the only consistent efforts by any of the Europeans has come from mostly the French and their military who also provide the basic safeguards for stability for several countries. Unfortunately, as the quoted post above implies, the local politics are sometimes and in most places a severe 'dis-service' to the people of many countries who care only about how much they can embezzle for the Swiss bank accounts. Perhaps one significant step the Swiss could take as they have for the American Govt. in notifying them of suspected income tax evaders that have accounts there, would be to freeze the bank accounts of the dictators until they are out of power. To take the moneys and other riches held in secret bank vaults for later return to a bona-fide govt. The major powers at the UN could back a UN mandated notice of freeze and confiscation and nullify any attempts for any dictator or their cronies to get those moneys back. This was brought up many years ago to certain UN officials in the security services but despite a very positive attitude to doing it, the Secretary General's staff at the UN quickly blocked that ideas from ever being brought up for debate...one can only try.
The English have a very negative attitude toward the impoverished in the third world; it has always struck me as if they are still locked into a 19th century mannerism of looking down their proverbial noses at them. Even countries that became independent from England kept not only the basic forms of British govt. but also kept that attitude. In one former colonial military, we had passed through a very badly poverty hit area with crop failure, drought and terrorists attacks. We stopped outside one village and within an hour some of the women with babies came toward out camp, stopped about 50 meters from us and just knelt to await for someone in command to ask them what they wanted...after 2 hours of waiting in the nearly 40 Celsius heat, I had enough and gathered up water cans and took it out to them, came back, took up a collection of our rations and went back to give it to them amidst other soldiers saying I was going go get into trouble for this. They were right. I was actually charged with possible association with terrorists...
The entire matter was later dropped by our Commandant upon return from patrol several days later. We had some former Portuguese officers with us as well as French and they were all appalled at the British attitudes of refusing to help the people that they were ostensibly defending, as many spoke out in favour of my actions. After the charges were dropped, somehow, I was still fined about fifty dollars 'for administrative costs'...Afterwards, our patrols took a lot of extra rations and handed them out as we went through villages.
In Tchad, with the French, we always had food trucks with us to give the poor and usually near starving villagers living on the rims of the encroaching sands of the Sahara that would ruin all their crops. The Brits could never understand that...to simply be humane in an inhumane world is always welcome and desperately needed. My apologies for the length of this . It just struck an old nerve.


Didn't read a word of that....,too many words.

I did see Saudi in there a few times...but...per capital...they are right next to the Swiss as far as wealth.

Matters naught.....you might read the posts above you before laying out that Tolstoy epic on us.

no photo
Sat 05/04/13 10:33 AM

Whatever....

Most all of us have gone without....(here in America )

Poverty sucks....

No sugar coating it....

But...popping up poverty porn pics just remind me of fat a$$ed Sally Fields commercials from the 80's.

Her big fat butt waddling through some peasant village in Kenya or Ethiopia in a white pant suit..earnestly pleading for people to send money for a photograph of a kid with a couple of flies on its mouth.

Sorry..off topic.

I will just ask this...

Okay Dodo.....this is your thread....lead by example....what have you done to eliminate global poverty?

Please post some receipts...cause otherwise....this is all just talk...which is easy....and cheap.

Getting other people to pay the bill ain't gonna fly with me.


Wrong Sally.

Cutiepieforyou's photo
Sat 05/04/13 12:13 PM


Whatever....

Most all of us have gone without....(here in America )

Poverty sucks....

No sugar coating it....

But...popping up poverty porn pics just remind me of fat a$$ed Sally Fields commercials from the 80's.

Her big fat butt waddling through some peasant village in Kenya or Ethiopia in a white pant suit..earnestly pleading for people to send money for a photograph of a kid with a couple of flies on its mouth.

Sorry..off topic.

I will just ask this...

Okay Dodo.....this is your thread....lead by example....what have you done to eliminate global poverty?

Please post some receipts...cause otherwise....this is all just talk...which is easy....and cheap.

Getting other people to pay the bill ain't gonna fly with me.


Wrong Sally.


Oh yeah. That was Sally Struthers in those commercials.

jacktrades's photo
Sat 05/04/13 12:43 PM
I'm sending some money to a friend tomorrow who is in deep trouble and no one to turn to. Where mercy is showed mercy is given.Compassion= survival for some. God bless all of you.

Toodygirl5's photo
Sun 05/05/13 07:41 AM

Am I the only Mingle2 member who is concerned about people trapped in poverty?



I am concerned and act on helping.

no photo
Mon 05/06/13 07:57 PM
Dave

It's a good thread and an important topic. Regardless of where people stand spiritually, helping others is a wonderful thing.

krupa's photo
Tue 05/07/13 10:48 AM
I disagree...

Helping people don't help.

People standing the hell up and helping themselves helps..

I am all onboard from there.

But until then...it is just someone asking for a free ride.

Where do I go for my free ride?

Who do I need to talk to about not working and getting a check sent to my fat *** and support all my kids and myself?

Where do I sign up for being a maggot leach on society and have you idiots pay my way?

I got no kids but....I am willing to go for it if it puts a few bucks in my pocket and you are wiling to pay for it from the taxes, taken from your check....

So.....send me your money....l

msharmony's photo
Tue 05/07/13 11:41 AM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 05/07/13 11:42 AM
except that children cant help themself

and

adult people need help to help themselves

we dont live in a vacuum or a solo universe

we are interconnected

it is helpful when someone finds you worth the opportunity to earn income,, it is helfpul when someone finds you worthy of a loan to purchase that car or that house or pay for that education,,,

help comes in many ways, although we convince ourself we are doing it all on our own,,,,

TBRich's photo
Tue 05/07/13 11:45 AM
I got suckered into "lending" a couple hundred to a co-worker to cover her gambling debts before her husband finds out they can't pay the rent. I hate that, I never met a woman who didn't want money from me.

msharmony's photo
Tue 05/07/13 11:48 AM

I got suckered into "lending" a couple hundred to a co-worker to cover her gambling debts before her husband finds out they can't pay the rent. I hate that, I never met a woman who didn't want money from me.


I dont want your money,,lol

besides, I thought all the women you met wanted your body,,,shouldnt they be paying you instead?

laugh laugh :tongue:

TBRich's photo
Tue 05/07/13 11:58 AM


I got suckered into "lending" a couple hundred to a co-worker to cover her gambling debts before her husband finds out they can't pay the rent. I hate that, I never met a woman who didn't want money from me.


I dont want your money,,lol

besides, I thought all the women you met wanted your body,,,shouldnt they be paying you instead?

laugh laugh :tongue:


You are silly! There is a difference between women-women and women-I-am-dating women. I had to avoid two women just the other day- One it was easy to lie to over the phone (this is the one from the cat pee story) but the other came over and walked into my apartment (I went into the bathroom stuck my finger down my throat and pretended to be sick and vomiting). I am thinking of going gay.

But you drift from the topic, as per usual.

msharmony's photo
Tue 05/07/13 12:22 PM



I got suckered into "lending" a couple hundred to a co-worker to cover her gambling debts before her husband finds out they can't pay the rent. I hate that, I never met a woman who didn't want money from me.


I dont want your money,,lol

besides, I thought all the women you met wanted your body,,,shouldnt they be paying you instead?

laugh laugh :tongue:


You are silly! There is a difference between women-women and women-I-am-dating women. I had to avoid two women just the other day- One it was easy to lie to over the phone (this is the one from the cat pee story) but the other came over and walked into my apartment (I went into the bathroom stuck my finger down my throat and pretended to be sick and vomiting). I am thinking of going gay.

But you drift from the topic, as per usual.



wasnt the topic povety and helping the impoverished?,,,,ok, anyway,, back on topic,,,,



no photo
Tue 05/07/13 01:48 PM

I disagree...

Helping people don't help.

People standing the hell up and helping themselves helps..

I am all onboard from there.

But until then...it is just someone asking for a free ride.

Where do I go for my free ride?

Who do I need to talk to about not working and getting a check sent to my fat *** and support all my kids and myself?

Where do I sign up for being a maggot leach on society and have you idiots pay my way?

I got no kids but....I am willing to go for it if it puts a few bucks in my pocket and you are wiling to pay for it from the taxes, taken from your check....

So.....send me your money....l


Hi Bro

Hope your enjoying the coast!! And most of all your loviness!

I don't even see the tax thing as being on topic. Who knows when they'll or we'll ever get that fixed, or even close. I'm talking about helping others who truly do need help, and there are tons, absolutely tons of them. I volunteer for different projects and every time I do this I'm shocked at how many people "don't" know how to or even where to begin helping themselves. The mental issues alone that have been created over the last 50 years is unbelievable. Asking someone who has mental illness to stand on their own when they don't even know what coherency is, is worthless. Plus the drugs they are given most of the time are just as worthless.

Krupa if a mental illness hit you today it would knock you off your feet so fast you wouldn't know what hit you. I use to think all we as people had to do was snap out of it, but after some of the work I've had the privege doing my outlook is far from what it was.

My friend on this topic we might have different roads, I do respect your view though and do see where your coming from.

HappyBun's photo
Tue 05/07/13 02:23 PM
It is said that 0.000005% Financial Transaction Tax could solve all Poverty Education and Housing needs in the morning. The Prime Minister of the UK is not only against it but is fighting tooth and nail to stop other European Countries from implementing the tax. It is not in the interests of the rich to solve the problems of the poor even for a miniscule tax on every financial transaction.

Toodygirl5's photo
Tue 05/07/13 02:58 PM

I don't even see the tax thing as being on topic. Who knows when they'll or we'll ever get that fixed, or even close. I'm talking about helping others who truly do need help, and there are tons, absolutely tons of them. I volunteer for different projects and every time I do this I'm shocked at how many people "don't" know how to or even where to begin helping themselves. The mental issues alone that have been created over the last 50 years is unbelievable. Asking someone who has mental illness to stand on their own when they don't even know what coherency is, is worthless. Plus the drugs they are given most of the time are just as worthless.



Well Said. :thumbsup: