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Topic: The Problem With Evolution?
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Mon 01/30/12 01:15 PM









A "God" is not some supernatural being. "God" is a being in authority.


so Obama is God?




If you allow him to have total authority in your life, then yes he would be a God.

Do you wake up and then do Obama's will all day?



is Obama the God in the bible?


No, never said that.


you said that God is not a supernatural entity ....so which denomination of Christians believe that? ....do tell


The term "God" is not directly speaking of any supernatural being. The term "God" is showing of superiority to another. We do not know God's name, so we refer to him as "God" as a name and showing of superiority over us.

Jesus only ever referred to him as "My God, or My Father". Never spoke of a name. Not in the scriptures we have in the bible anyways. And I assume if there was a scripture with his name, it would have been included. But nonetheless names don't matter. Names do not make you who you are, they to are just a title to give reference to whom you're speaking of.


sorry but I asked which denomination of Christians believe that God is not a supernatural entity .....






God isn't supernatural. What is supernatural? Are you supernatural? Am I supernatural? Was Jesus supernatural? What exactly is supernatural? What Jesus did, we can do to if we have the faith and even greater then Jesus, he has told us.

John 14:12
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Isn't supernatural, something done out of the ordinary? Something that is more super then natural? Well Jesus has told us, that we can naturally do things as he did and even greater. So again, nothing supernatural.


Dude..all I've ask is which denomination of Christians claim that God is not a supernatural entity ...

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Mon 01/30/12 01:15 PM



Every time I come to this thread my "brain" keeps saying think spirituality, then think evolution and its significance to spiritual development....Why?...Adaptability to change......

As humans, we are the most adaptable organism on the planet....Keeping this in mind, compare the rate of human adaptability to the rate of all other living organisms that evolve genetically....The difference will astound you...What takes humans 1,000's of years to adapt to, takes all other living organisms hundreds of millions of years!...This opens the door to the question, why?.... When I contemplate that, I always come back to one thing, spirituality...Humans are spiritual....It's what sets us apart and can only be attributed to a higher power....
For me, this does not mean the scriptures rule, it only means that my individual spirituality (it's level of adaption and it's particular ability to adapt) is what dictates how I, as one individual, choose to live my life.....


I think you make an excellent scenario for the survival of the fittest point. flowerforyou

Writing in his diary during the Beagle voyage (specifically on January 19, 1836), a young Mr. Darwin records his experiences with a rather odd Australian animal;

In the dusk of the evening I took a stroll along a chain of ponds, which in this dry country represent the course of a river, & had the good fortune to see several of the famous Platypus or Ornithorhyncus paradoxicus. They were diving & playing about the surface of the water; but showed very little of their bodies were visible, so that they only appeared like might easily have been mistaken for many water Rats rats. Mr Browne shot one; certainly it is a most extraordinary animal; the mounted stuffed specimens do not convey a proper idea give at all a good idea of the recent appearance of the head & beak; the latter becoming hard & very contracted & hardened. --
Earlier in the evening A little time before this, I had been lying on a sunny bank & was reflecting on the strange character of the Animals of this country as compared to the rest of the World. An Disbeliever unbeliever in everything beyond his own reason, might exclaim "Surely two distinct Creators must have been [at] work; their object however has been the same & certainly the end in each case the end is complete". -- Whilst thus thinking, I observed the conical pitfall of a Lion-Ant: -- A fly fell in & immediately disappeared; then came a large but unwary Ant; his struggles to escape being very violent, the little jets of sand described by Kirby were promptly directed against him. The pitfall was not above half the size of the one described by Kirby. His fate however was better than that of the poor fly's:- Without a doubt this predacious Larva belongs to the same genus, but to a different species from the Europaean one. -- Now what would the Disbeliever say to this? Would any two workmen ever hit on so beautiful, so simple & yet so artificial a contrivance? It cannot be thought so. -- The one hand has surely worked throughout the universe. A Geologist perhaps would suggest, that the periods of Creation have been distinct & remote the one from the other; that the Creator rested in his labor.:smile:


And the great thing about your response is I have always believed it comes down to "The Survival of the Fittest"...Spiritual?...I think so....Possessing the ability to adapt to change rapidly, embrace it, grow with it, flex when you need to...Knowing if you fight it, ultimately, you will lose.....And most important , do not measure your ability to "evolve" against anyone but self...flowerforyou


Ornithorhyncus paradoxicus - I just love that name.laugh Man verses paradox.laugh It is nice to see that it okay for nature to have paradoxes. :smile:

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Mon 01/30/12 01:20 PM
another possibility

SOME People (strict evolutionists) adapted out of necessity from apelike animals

SOME People (not so strict evolutionists) were created from a series of consequences of the cosmos


and SOME people (theists) were created by intelligent design,,,

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Mon 01/30/12 03:34 PM










A "God" is not some supernatural being. "God" is a being in authority.


so Obama is God?




If you allow him to have total authority in your life, then yes he would be a God.

Do you wake up and then do Obama's will all day?



is Obama the God in the bible?


No, never said that.


you said that God is not a supernatural entity ....so which denomination of Christians believe that? ....do tell


The term "God" is not directly speaking of any supernatural being. The term "God" is showing of superiority to another. We do not know God's name, so we refer to him as "God" as a name and showing of superiority over us.

Jesus only ever referred to him as "My God, or My Father". Never spoke of a name. Not in the scriptures we have in the bible anyways. And I assume if there was a scripture with his name, it would have been included. But nonetheless names don't matter. Names do not make you who you are, they to are just a title to give reference to whom you're speaking of.


sorry but I asked which denomination of Christians believe that God is not a supernatural entity .....






God isn't supernatural. What is supernatural? Are you supernatural? Am I supernatural? Was Jesus supernatural? What exactly is supernatural? What Jesus did, we can do to if we have the faith and even greater then Jesus, he has told us.

John 14:12
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Isn't supernatural, something done out of the ordinary? Something that is more super then natural? Well Jesus has told us, that we can naturally do things as he did and even greater. So again, nothing supernatural.


Dude..all I've ask is which denomination of Christians claim that God is not a supernatural entity ...


I have no idea. I know very little about the exact specific beliefs among the different denominations.

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Mon 01/30/12 03:53 PM











A "God" is not some supernatural being. "God" is a being in authority.


so Obama is God?




If you allow him to have total authority in your life, then yes he would be a God.

Do you wake up and then do Obama's will all day?



is Obama the God in the bible?


No, never said that.


you said that God is not a supernatural entity ....so which denomination of Christians believe that? ....do tell


The term "God" is not directly speaking of any supernatural being. The term "God" is showing of superiority to another. We do not know God's name, so we refer to him as "God" as a name and showing of superiority over us.

Jesus only ever referred to him as "My God, or My Father". Never spoke of a name. Not in the scriptures we have in the bible anyways. And I assume if there was a scripture with his name, it would have been included. But nonetheless names don't matter. Names do not make you who you are, they to are just a title to give reference to whom you're speaking of.


sorry but I asked which denomination of Christians believe that God is not a supernatural entity .....






God isn't supernatural. What is supernatural? Are you supernatural? Am I supernatural? Was Jesus supernatural? What exactly is supernatural? What Jesus did, we can do to if we have the faith and even greater then Jesus, he has told us.

John 14:12
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Isn't supernatural, something done out of the ordinary? Something that is more super then natural? Well Jesus has told us, that we can naturally do things as he did and even greater. So again, nothing supernatural.


Dude..all I've ask is which denomination of Christians claim that God is not a supernatural entity ...


I have no idea. I know very little about the exact specific beliefs among the different denominations.


aren't you a Christian?.... and aren't you the one that claim that God is not a supernatural entity?...then all you have to do is to state your denomination ...


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Mon 01/30/12 04:27 PM












A "God" is not some supernatural being. "God" is a being in authority.


so Obama is God?




If you allow him to have total authority in your life, then yes he would be a God.

Do you wake up and then do Obama's will all day?



is Obama the God in the bible?


No, never said that.


you said that God is not a supernatural entity ....so which denomination of Christians believe that? ....do tell


The term "God" is not directly speaking of any supernatural being. The term "God" is showing of superiority to another. We do not know God's name, so we refer to him as "God" as a name and showing of superiority over us.

Jesus only ever referred to him as "My God, or My Father". Never spoke of a name. Not in the scriptures we have in the bible anyways. And I assume if there was a scripture with his name, it would have been included. But nonetheless names don't matter. Names do not make you who you are, they to are just a title to give reference to whom you're speaking of.


sorry but I asked which denomination of Christians believe that God is not a supernatural entity .....






God isn't supernatural. What is supernatural? Are you supernatural? Am I supernatural? Was Jesus supernatural? What exactly is supernatural? What Jesus did, we can do to if we have the faith and even greater then Jesus, he has told us.

John 14:12
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Isn't supernatural, something done out of the ordinary? Something that is more super then natural? Well Jesus has told us, that we can naturally do things as he did and even greater. So again, nothing supernatural.


Dude..all I've ask is which denomination of Christians claim that God is not a supernatural entity ...


I have no idea. I know very little about the exact specific beliefs among the different denominations.


aren't you a Christian?.... and aren't you the one that claim that God is not a supernatural entity?...then all you have to do is to state your denomination ...




I'm non denominal lol. I'm a Christian, period. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, not a follower of the baptists, 7th day adventists, catholics, ect.

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Mon 01/30/12 04:57 PM
As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 01/30/12 05:04 PM

As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



Evolution is a fact


Nobody said it wasn't. The bible doesn't rule out evolution as a whole. Not saying we evolved from apes, or anything else in that exact sense. But we evolve everyday. God made this body to be able to live in most to all parts of this world. Hotter places and or where there is exposure to sunlight people evolve into having darker skin to protect them from the sun. People who are from the colder regions of the planet generally have more body fat, naturally occurring to give more body tempeture to remain warm in the colder weather, ect ect.

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Mon 01/30/12 05:07 PM

As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable


But is it totally stable? No. It changes from time to time when new discoveries are found. So what they know today, might in the long run actually be incorrect and or inaccurate. Christianity has been the same since the dawn of mankind. Yes we had a change from old covenant laws, to new covenant laws. But that is not a change in the belief in itself, for the belief prophesied it happening. So nothing really changed, for again it was said to happen before it happened.

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Mon 01/30/12 05:11 PM


As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



Evolution is a fact


Nobody said it wasn't. The bible doesn't rule out evolution as a whole. Not saying we evolved from apes, or anything else in that exact sense. But we evolve everyday. God made this body to be able to live in most to all parts of this world. Hotter places and or where there is exposure to sunlight people evolve into having darker skin to protect them from the sun. People who are from the colder regions of the planet generally have more body fat, naturally occurring to give more body tempeture to remain warm in the colder weather, ect ect.


Here's the thing though Cowboy...You cannot have it both ways...If you acknowledge evolution as fact, and I hope you do, you must also acknowledge the bible as nothing more than an extraordinary novel, which like many other extraordinary literary works of fiction, transcends time....

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Mon 01/30/12 05:14 PM



As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



Evolution is a fact


Nobody said it wasn't. The bible doesn't rule out evolution as a whole. Not saying we evolved from apes, or anything else in that exact sense. But we evolve everyday. God made this body to be able to live in most to all parts of this world. Hotter places and or where there is exposure to sunlight people evolve into having darker skin to protect them from the sun. People who are from the colder regions of the planet generally have more body fat, naturally occurring to give more body tempeture to remain warm in the colder weather, ect ect.


Here's the thing though Cowboy...You cannot have it both ways...If you acknowledge evolution as fact, and I hope you do, you must also acknowledge the bible as nothing more than an extraordinary novel, which like many other extraordinary literary works of fiction, transcends time....


Howso? Does the bible state that we do not evolve? Heck, evolution in itself is not even a fact. That's why it's called the theory of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess.

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 01/30/12 05:20 PM




As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



Evolution is a fact


Nobody said it wasn't. The bible doesn't rule out evolution as a whole. Not saying we evolved from apes, or anything else in that exact sense. But we evolve everyday. God made this body to be able to live in most to all parts of this world. Hotter places and or where there is exposure to sunlight people evolve into having darker skin to protect them from the sun. People who are from the colder regions of the planet generally have more body fat, naturally occurring to give more body tempeture to remain warm in the colder weather, ect ect.


Here's the thing though Cowboy...You cannot have it both ways...If you acknowledge evolution as fact, and I hope you do, you must also acknowledge the bible as nothing more than an extraordinary novel, which like many other extraordinary literary works of fiction, transcends time....


Howso? Does the bible state that we do not evolve? Heck, evolution in itself is not even a fact. That's why it's called the theory of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess.


It's very possible that we evolved from being something similar to apes and or a primate.

When the world was first created, there were no buildings, people did not have shoes, or clothing. They were exposed to the surroundings. And yes our bodies evolve to the surroundings and or lifestyle. You do a lot of physical work with your hands, your hands will get harder/rougher to protect them from being hurt. And then since they had no clothing and no buildings/shelter other then caves and in some places no caves. In the places where there was absolutely no shelter as such, their skin was probably a bit more leathery from being exposed to the weather. And we probably had more body hair because of the lacking of cloths that rubs it off and keeps us warm enough. And so on and so on.

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Mon 01/30/12 05:28 PM




As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



Evolution is a fact


Nobody said it wasn't. The bible doesn't rule out evolution as a whole. Not saying we evolved from apes, or anything else in that exact sense. But we evolve everyday. God made this body to be able to live in most to all parts of this world. Hotter places and or where there is exposure to sunlight people evolve into having darker skin to protect them from the sun. People who are from the colder regions of the planet generally have more body fat, naturally occurring to give more body tempeture to remain warm in the colder weather, ect ect.


Here's the thing though Cowboy...You cannot have it both ways...If you acknowledge evolution as fact, and I hope you do, you must also acknowledge the bible as nothing more than an extraordinary novel, which like many other extraordinary literary works of fiction, transcends time....


Howso? Does the bible state that we do not evolve? Heck, evolution in itself is not even a fact. That's why it's called the theory of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess.


Didn't you just agree in your previous post that evolution is a fact...Yes, the bible states that God made man in his image and made woman from mans rib.....The bible states that God created the heavens and earth and the seas and all that is in them in six days, on the seventh day he rested and made that day the Sabbath, a holy day of worship worship.....The bible is filled with beautiful fairy tales.....

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Mon 01/30/12 05:32 PM





As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



Evolution is a fact


Nobody said it wasn't. The bible doesn't rule out evolution as a whole. Not saying we evolved from apes, or anything else in that exact sense. But we evolve everyday. God made this body to be able to live in most to all parts of this world. Hotter places and or where there is exposure to sunlight people evolve into having darker skin to protect them from the sun. People who are from the colder regions of the planet generally have more body fat, naturally occurring to give more body tempeture to remain warm in the colder weather, ect ect.


Here's the thing though Cowboy...You cannot have it both ways...If you acknowledge evolution as fact, and I hope you do, you must also acknowledge the bible as nothing more than an extraordinary novel, which like many other extraordinary literary works of fiction, transcends time....


Howso? Does the bible state that we do not evolve? Heck, evolution in itself is not even a fact. That's why it's called the theory of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess.


Didn't you just agree in your previous post that evolution is a fact...Yes, the bible states that God made man in his image and made woman from mans rib.....The bible states that God created the heavens and earth and the seas and all that is in them in six days, on the seventh day he rested and made that day the Sabbath, a holy day of worship worship.....The bible is filled with beautiful fairy tales.....


And how does that rule out evolution in general? Not claiming we evolved from primates or anything different then the species we are not. But our species changes with the environments and different elements around us.

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Mon 01/30/12 05:44 PM






As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



Evolution is a fact


Nobody said it wasn't. The bible doesn't rule out evolution as a whole. Not saying we evolved from apes, or anything else in that exact sense. But we evolve everyday. God made this body to be able to live in most to all parts of this world. Hotter places and or where there is exposure to sunlight people evolve into having darker skin to protect them from the sun. People who are from the colder regions of the planet generally have more body fat, naturally occurring to give more body tempeture to remain warm in the colder weather, ect ect.


Here's the thing though Cowboy...You cannot have it both ways...If you acknowledge evolution as fact, and I hope you do, you must also acknowledge the bible as nothing more than an extraordinary novel, which like many other extraordinary literary works of fiction, transcends time....


Howso? Does the bible state that we do not evolve? Heck, evolution in itself is not even a fact. That's why it's called the theory of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess.


Didn't you just agree in your previous post that evolution is a fact...Yes, the bible states that God made man in his image and made woman from mans rib.....The bible states that God created the heavens and earth and the seas and all that is in them in six days, on the seventh day he rested and made that day the Sabbath, a holy day of worship worship.....The bible is filled with beautiful fairy tales.....


And how does that rule out evolution in general? Not claiming we evolved from primates or anything different then the species we are not. But our species changes with the environments and different elements around us.


It rules out the bible being accurate due to time lines, provable scientific time lines....

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Mon 01/30/12 05:48 PM







As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



Evolution is a fact


Nobody said it wasn't. The bible doesn't rule out evolution as a whole. Not saying we evolved from apes, or anything else in that exact sense. But we evolve everyday. God made this body to be able to live in most to all parts of this world. Hotter places and or where there is exposure to sunlight people evolve into having darker skin to protect them from the sun. People who are from the colder regions of the planet generally have more body fat, naturally occurring to give more body tempeture to remain warm in the colder weather, ect ect.


Here's the thing though Cowboy...You cannot have it both ways...If you acknowledge evolution as fact, and I hope you do, you must also acknowledge the bible as nothing more than an extraordinary novel, which like many other extraordinary literary works of fiction, transcends time....


Howso? Does the bible state that we do not evolve? Heck, evolution in itself is not even a fact. That's why it's called the theory of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess.


Didn't you just agree in your previous post that evolution is a fact...Yes, the bible states that God made man in his image and made woman from mans rib.....The bible states that God created the heavens and earth and the seas and all that is in them in six days, on the seventh day he rested and made that day the Sabbath, a holy day of worship worship.....The bible is filled with beautiful fairy tales.....


And how does that rule out evolution in general? Not claiming we evolved from primates or anything different then the species we are not. But our species changes with the environments and different elements around us.


It rules out the bible being accurate due to time lines, provable scientific time lines....


How so? Please give an example.

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Mon 01/30/12 05:50 PM








As the religious debate rages onlaugh I'm looking at the thread title and I'm beginning to realize the problem IS NOT with evolution, the problem is with religion.....
Evolution is a fact....This mean it is scientifically real, it is demonstrable....think boiling point of water...
Evolution is vital to science, scientific progress, daily lives, and living....For everything biological, one must look to evolution....Now think certain diseases and why they exist, why they persist...There has to be some survival advantage....Why are more and more strains of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Survival advantage...
Without even a basic understanding of evolution, society could cease to exist...Human survival = evolutionary constructs.....
Darwins theory of evolution as Natural Selection is flawed because he never explained HOW species originate AND he did not provide advanced definition of species....
Organisms change over time and eventually become new and different species....fact...
Creationism (devine action as opposed to evolution) taught as scientific knowledge not only puts two extremely different disciplines together, it does so at the expense of both....


So, there is no problem with evolution, it just has nothing to do with religion...the two are separate and apart, no relationship.....



Evolution is a fact


Nobody said it wasn't. The bible doesn't rule out evolution as a whole. Not saying we evolved from apes, or anything else in that exact sense. But we evolve everyday. God made this body to be able to live in most to all parts of this world. Hotter places and or where there is exposure to sunlight people evolve into having darker skin to protect them from the sun. People who are from the colder regions of the planet generally have more body fat, naturally occurring to give more body tempeture to remain warm in the colder weather, ect ect.


Here's the thing though Cowboy...You cannot have it both ways...If you acknowledge evolution as fact, and I hope you do, you must also acknowledge the bible as nothing more than an extraordinary novel, which like many other extraordinary literary works of fiction, transcends time....


Howso? Does the bible state that we do not evolve? Heck, evolution in itself is not even a fact. That's why it's called the theory of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess.


Didn't you just agree in your previous post that evolution is a fact...Yes, the bible states that God made man in his image and made woman from mans rib.....The bible states that God created the heavens and earth and the seas and all that is in them in six days, on the seventh day he rested and made that day the Sabbath, a holy day of worship worship.....The bible is filled with beautiful fairy tales.....


And how does that rule out evolution in general? Not claiming we evolved from primates or anything different then the species we are not. But our species changes with the environments and different elements around us.


It rules out the bible being accurate due to time lines, provable scientific time lines....


How so? Please give an example.


The scriptures do not give exact dates. Does not say God made the Earth and Heavens on 700bc. ect. The only thing in the scriptures that gives any definite time period is the time of creation eg., the 6 days to create and 1 day to rest. Does not state the date this happened though.

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I'm non denominal lol. I'm a Christian, period. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, not a follower of the baptists, 7th day adventists, catholics, ect.


well actually the only christians that claim that God is not a supernatural entity are Buddhist Christians......this is why you couldn't name any other Christian denomination that had that particular belief.....see...you do belong to a denomination .....

just remember instead of "Dollars" give your ten percent of tithes in "Tam"

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Mon 01/30/12 06:02 PM


I'm non denominal lol. I'm a Christian, period. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, not a follower of the baptists, 7th day adventists, catholics, ect.


well actually the only christians that claim that God is not a supernatural entity are Buddhist Christians......this is why you couldn't name any other Christian denomination that had that particular belief.....see...you do belong to a denomination .....

just remember instead of "Dollars" give your ten percent of tithes in "Tam"


How would God be supernatural when God told us that we can do as he did and even greater?

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Mon 01/30/12 06:09 PM



I'm non denominal lol. I'm a Christian, period. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, not a follower of the baptists, 7th day adventists, catholics, ect.


well actually the only christians that claim that God is not a supernatural entity are Buddhist Christians......this is why you couldn't name any other Christian denomination that had that particular belief.....see...you do belong to a denomination .....

just remember instead of "Dollars" give your ten percent of tithes in "Tam"


How would God be supernatural when God told us that we can do as he did and even greater?


sounds like a quote from The Dalai Lama

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