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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. You bought Osama up, not me. Maybe you feel some are not worthy of love...i believe love is all we have. Love for another is never wasted. It is the ONLY thing that can change fear and hate.... When we decide who is worthy of love and who is not, would be be playing god then? I'm not a religious person..however, my definition of 'god' would be love. U said 'Love sinner',hence as an extreme example I brought him up & as I can see,even thinking of loving him is impossible for u,it's quite obvious. I think u r not differentiating in love & compassion. NO..I did not say 'love the sinner' That is someone else's words. I think you don't know enough about me to make a judgment on what love, compassion or hate are to me. |
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. You bought Osama up, not me. Maybe you feel some are not worthy of love...i believe love is all we have. Love for another is never wasted. It is the ONLY thing that can change fear and hate.... When we decide who is worthy of love and who is not, would be be playing god then? I'm not a religious person..however, my definition of 'god' would be love. U said 'Love sinner',hence as an extreme example I brought him up & as I can see,even thinking of loving him is impossible for u,it's quite obvious. I think u r not differentiating in love & compassion. NO..I did not say 'love the sinner' That is someone else's words. I think you don't know enough about me to make a judgment on what love, compassion or hate are to me. Refer ur below quotes YOU don't get to pick other people's 'sins' it's very personal. 'Love the sinner hate the sin' is judging others... we can't love while were judging. Yeah,I don;t know much about u. but I can conclude,u r a kindhearted person,but difference between is compassion & love is universally accepted & I'm not judging what those are for u. on christmas eve, an indian youth was shot dead without any reason in a western country,his parents are residing in my town & I've experienced there deep sorrow very closely. My concern about generalized hate is related with this issue. |
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. You bought Osama up, not me. Maybe you feel some are not worthy of love...i believe love is all we have. Love for another is never wasted. It is the ONLY thing that can change fear and hate.... When we decide who is worthy of love and who is not, would be be playing god then? I'm not a religious person..however, my definition of 'god' would be love. U said 'Love sinner',hence as an extreme example I brought him up & as I can see,even thinking of loving him is impossible for u,it's quite obvious. I think u r not differentiating in love & compassion. NO..I did not say 'love the sinner' That is someone else's words. I think you don't know enough about me to make a judgment on what love, compassion or hate are to me. Refer ur below quotes YOU don't get to pick other people's 'sins' it's very personal. 'Love the sinner hate the sin' is judging others... we can't love while were judging. Yeah,I don;t know much about u. but I can conclude,u r a kindhearted person,but difference between is compassion & love is universally accepted & I'm not judging what those are for u. on christmas eve, an indian youth was shot dead without any reason in a western country,his parents are residing in my town & I've experienced there deep sorrow very closely. My concern about generalized hate is related with this issue. "Love the sinner" was what others said... is why i used "----" I believe the term "love the sinner, hate the sin" is judgmental and I believe WE can not love others when we judge them. The difference between love and compassion is for each of us to determine for ourselves, not for others to determine for us. This is part of the problem, we seem to think what is good for us should be good for everyone. I'm sorry for your loss. 
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don't hate if somone disagrees with you that is not hate I really believe that few have actually seen true hate close up - most only read or hear about it, fortunately it is possible to stand up for yourself in life without hating my mom hates bush(jr, not sr) I think one of the men who assaulted me hated black people people here on the forum hate obama ,,,the latter is just a cyber hate from my perspective, but its just as sad and puzzling to me as the former,,,, well I think it is possible to be angry and disagree and separate that from the person people who cannot separate the person from the issue has issues IMO Oh, and yes, I think racism is probably the purest from of hatred that people can experience and it has done the most to serve evil throughour history - the racisms of the 50s & 60s, the long marches (trail of tears), the hatreds now against us in the middle east, the death camps...pure evil given ground here on earth... I thought our species is supposed to be evolving??? 
Even an 'old soul' that is reborn knows nothing of love or hate. They are pure when coming into this world. Everything is a learned experience. Some are fortunate, as I am, to have been born to one or two loving parents who taught them the advantages of love and the disadvantages of hate. Both can be magnified if not nutured. Racism, The Trail of Tears, Wars & Hitlers atrocities were Greed to the highest extent. With no concern for 'human' compassion, that greed turned into hatred. Evolution -----> to Love, if you have not been nutured of it's benefits, takes many many years, or quite possibly, lifetimes. Our goal is to seek the perfection of Love. Like Harmony, the word 'hate' was not in my families vocabulary. It was taught as a swear word and not tolerated. It amazes me that society acepts the word 'hate' so readily; but when we say f**k, which can be a very positive word, it's not acceptable and taught as a trash word. A saying that I recall from a black soldier coming home from the war while segregation was still popular; who was forced into the "colored" line..."America is not perfect; but I love it. That's why I'm willing to wait." |
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. You bought Osama up, not me. Maybe you feel some are not worthy of love...i believe love is all we have. Love for another is never wasted. It is the ONLY thing that can change fear and hate.... When we decide who is worthy of love and who is not, would be be playing god then? I'm not a religious person..however, my definition of 'god' would be love. U said 'Love sinner',hence as an extreme example I brought him up & as I can see,even thinking of loving him is impossible for u,it's quite obvious. I think u r not differentiating in love & compassion. NO..I did not say 'love the sinner' That is someone else's words. I think you don't know enough about me to make a judgment on what love, compassion or hate are to me. Refer ur below quotes YOU don't get to pick other people's 'sins' it's very personal. 'Love the sinner hate the sin' is judging others... we can't love while were judging. Yeah,I don;t know much about u. but I can conclude,u r a kindhearted person,but difference between is compassion & love is universally accepted & I'm not judging what those are for u. on christmas eve, an indian youth was shot dead without any reason in a western country,his parents are residing in my town & I've experienced there deep sorrow very closely. My concern about generalized hate is related with this issue. "Love the sinner" was what others said... is why i used "----" I believe the term "love the sinner, hate the sin" is judgmental and I believe WE can not love others when we judge them. The difference between love and compassion is for each of us to determine for ourselves, not for others to determine for us. This is part of the problem, we seem to think what is good for us should be good for everyone. I'm sorry for your loss.
You used,you believed means you said. Now I'll tell this principal to that youth's parents & will ask them to love his killer... |
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We can choose love and forgiveness over hate and fear anytime we want it.... if we want it enough. It's really not that hard. True this!!
Hate,,BREEDS Hate,,and,,, LOVE,,breeds, LOVE.. Choices!! |
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. I don't believe it's an insult. They too, are on the road to 'enlightenment'. How will one ever overcome the wrath of hatred, if they are never shown love from someone that is compassionate & forgiving? Jesus, Buddah & Confuscious were just a few of them. I believe every soul is worthy of being helped to abolish hate from their lives and achieve the joys of love. |
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YOU don't get to pick other people's 'sins' it's very personal. 'Love the sinner hate the sin' is judging others... we can't love while were judging. come on now,, whatever you want to call it ('sin' or whatever) the point is when people dont like what people have done or said, they should seperate the actions or words from the person,,, and we all have behaviors and words we dont care for , whether we label them 'sin' or not,,, |
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Love the sinner? U loved Osama?? I think it's easy to say that but practically impossible to love those sinner. Its hard to say I LOVE OSama because I had no personal relationship with him,,but its very easy to say I didnt HATE him,, for that very same reason |
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. what would be so great about love, if it only was required of those we feel 'worthy' and in the case of the 'unworthy', impartial would be a much more reasonable emotion than hate,, in my opinion,,, |
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. I don't believe it's an insult. They too, are on the road to 'enlightenment'. How will one ever overcome the wrath of hatred, if they are never shown love from someone that is compassionate & forgiving? Jesus, Buddah & Confuscious were just a few of them. I believe every soul is worthy of being helped to abolish hate from their lives and achieve the joys of love. EXCELLENT
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I am not a "hater" per say.
I have hated things people have done though. 
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I am not a "hater" per say. I have hated things people have done though.
touche,,,
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. You bought Osama up, not me. Maybe you feel some are not worthy of love...i believe love is all we have. Love for another is never wasted. It is the ONLY thing that can change fear and hate.... When we decide who is worthy of love and who is not, would be be playing god then? I'm not a religious person..however, my definition of 'god' would be love. U said 'Love sinner',hence as an extreme example I brought him up & as I can see,even thinking of loving him is impossible for u,it's quite obvious. I think u r not differentiating in love & compassion. NO..I did not say 'love the sinner' That is someone else's words. I think you don't know enough about me to make a judgment on what love, compassion or hate are to me. Refer ur below quotes YOU don't get to pick other people's 'sins' it's very personal. 'Love the sinner hate the sin' is judging others... we can't love while were judging. Yeah,I don;t know much about u. but I can conclude,u r a kindhearted person,but difference between is compassion & love is universally accepted & I'm not judging what those are for u. on christmas eve, an indian youth was shot dead without any reason in a western country,his parents are residing in my town & I've experienced there deep sorrow very closely. My concern about generalized hate is related with this issue. "Love the sinner" was what others said... is why i used "----" I believe the term "love the sinner, hate the sin" is judgmental and I believe WE can not love others when we judge them. The difference between love and compassion is for each of us to determine for ourselves, not for others to determine for us. This is part of the problem, we seem to think what is good for us should be good for everyone. I'm sorry for your loss.
You used,you believed means you said. Now I'll tell this principal to that youth's parents & will ask them to love his killer... Didn't realize you were looking to me for the answer.... |
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Edited by
prashant01
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Mon 01/16/12 06:39 AM
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. You bought Osama up, not me. Maybe you feel some are not worthy of love...i believe love is all we have. Love for another is never wasted. It is the ONLY thing that can change fear and hate.... When we decide who is worthy of love and who is not, would be be playing god then? I'm not a religious person..however, my definition of 'god' would be love. U said 'Love sinner',hence as an extreme example I brought him up & as I can see,even thinking of loving him is impossible for u,it's quite obvious. I think u r not differentiating in love & compassion. NO..I did not say 'love the sinner' That is someone else's words. I think you don't know enough about me to make a judgment on what love, compassion or hate are to me. Refer ur below quotes YOU don't get to pick other people's 'sins' it's very personal. 'Love the sinner hate the sin' is judging others... we can't love while were judging. Yeah,I don;t know much about u. but I can conclude,u r a kindhearted person,but difference between is compassion & love is universally accepted & I'm not judging what those are for u. on christmas eve, an indian youth was shot dead without any reason in a western country,his parents are residing in my town & I've experienced there deep sorrow very closely. My concern about generalized hate is related with this issue. "Love the sinner" was what others said... is why i used "----" I believe the term "love the sinner, hate the sin" is judgmental and I believe WE can not love others when we judge them. The difference between love and compassion is for each of us to determine for ourselves, not for others to determine for us. This is part of the problem, we seem to think what is good for us should be good for everyone. I'm sorry for your loss.
You used,you believed means you said. Now I'll tell this principal to that youth's parents & will ask them to love his killer... Didn't realize you were looking to me for the answer.... Well u didn't realized as I was not really looking,I'm just putting forth the applicability of your thoughts....have u noticed the impossibility of its application?? |
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Edited by
prashant01
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. I don't believe it's an insult. They too, are on the road to 'enlightenment'. How will one ever overcome the wrath of hatred, if they are never shown love from someone that is compassionate & forgiving? Jesus, Buddah & Confuscious were just a few of them. I believe every soul is worthy of being helped to abolish hate from their lives and achieve the joys of love. EXCELLENT
Thoughts are excellent to note down in diary,practically it is impossible & no one does it. Loving or not hating sinners remains far away,people even hates innocents upto the extent of killing them. Loving the killers is as bad as killing few more innocents. People even stops loving their most beloved ones just due to small mistakes they made,that's why so many marriages do not last for life time. |
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Love the sinner? U loved Osama?? I think it's easy to say that but practically impossible to love those sinner. Its hard to say I LOVE OSama because I had no personal relationship with him,,but its very easy to say I didnt HATE him,, for that very same reason That's quite fair & every peace loving persons follows that.If I hate something in life then it is hating. You are also very fair by using word "PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP". The difference between love & compassion is as simple as that in Personal life & Social life. Actually my question is about GENERALIZED HATE & not about hating or loving sinners. |
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. You bought Osama up, not me. Maybe you feel some are not worthy of love...i believe love is all we have. Love for another is never wasted. It is the ONLY thing that can change fear and hate.... When we decide who is worthy of love and who is not, would be be playing god then? I'm not a religious person..however, my definition of 'god' would be love. U said 'Love sinner',hence as an extreme example I brought him up & as I can see,even thinking of loving him is impossible for u,it's quite obvious. I think u r not differentiating in love & compassion. NO..I did not say 'love the sinner' That is someone else's words. I think you don't know enough about me to make a judgment on what love, compassion or hate are to me. Refer ur below quotes YOU don't get to pick other people's 'sins' it's very personal. 'Love the sinner hate the sin' is judging others... we can't love while were judging. Yeah,I don;t know much about u. but I can conclude,u r a kindhearted person,but difference between is compassion & love is universally accepted & I'm not judging what those are for u. on christmas eve, an indian youth was shot dead without any reason in a western country,his parents are residing in my town & I've experienced there deep sorrow very closely. My concern about generalized hate is related with this issue. "Love the sinner" was what others said... is why i used "----" I believe the term "love the sinner, hate the sin" is judgmental and I believe WE can not love others when we judge them. The difference between love and compassion is for each of us to determine for ourselves, not for others to determine for us. This is part of the problem, we seem to think what is good for us should be good for everyone. I'm sorry for your loss.
You used,you believed means you said. Now I'll tell this principal to that youth's parents & will ask them to love his killer... Didn't realize you were looking to me for the answer.... Well u didn't realized as I was not really looking,I'm just putting forth the applicability of your thoughts....have u noticed the impossibility of its application?? Look, I can not imagine what I would feel if I were to lose one of my sons, especially in such a violent manner. I'm sure I would be a mess and totally lost from the pain. I choose to experience love because there is so much hate in the world. I am not without my share of pain and violence...I just can't stand the feeling I have when I hate, so I choose not to. If the concept is impossible to apply, then don't. |
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And actually, I have NO problem with osama.....I believe he was a political scapegoat anyway. We were not discussing about problem. It was about loving sinner. Won't it be an insult of Love to love those who are not worth? They are not even worth of compassion. You bought Osama up, not me. Maybe you feel some are not worthy of love...i believe love is all we have. Love for another is never wasted. It is the ONLY thing that can change fear and hate.... When we decide who is worthy of love and who is not, would be be playing god then? I'm not a religious person..however, my definition of 'god' would be love. U said 'Love sinner',hence as an extreme example I brought him up & as I can see,even thinking of loving him is impossible for u,it's quite obvious. I think u r not differentiating in love & compassion. NO..I did not say 'love the sinner' That is someone else's words. I think you don't know enough about me to make a judgment on what love, compassion or hate are to me. Refer ur below quotes YOU don't get to pick other people's 'sins' it's very personal. 'Love the sinner hate the sin' is judging others... we can't love while were judging. Yeah,I don;t know much about u. but I can conclude,u r a kindhearted person,but difference between is compassion & love is universally accepted & I'm not judging what those are for u. on christmas eve, an indian youth was shot dead without any reason in a western country,his parents are residing in my town & I've experienced there deep sorrow very closely. My concern about generalized hate is related with this issue. "Love the sinner" was what others said... is why i used "----" I believe the term "love the sinner, hate the sin" is judgmental and I believe WE can not love others when we judge them. The difference between love and compassion is for each of us to determine for ourselves, not for others to determine for us. This is part of the problem, we seem to think what is good for us should be good for everyone. I'm sorry for your loss.
You used,you believed means you said. Now I'll tell this principal to that youth's parents & will ask them to love his killer... Didn't realize you were looking to me for the answer.... Well u didn't realized as I was not really looking,I'm just putting forth the applicability of your thoughts....have u noticed the impossibility of its application?? Look, I can not imagine what I would feel if I were to lose one of my sons, especially in such a violent manner. I'm sure I would be a mess and totally lost from the pain. I choose to experience love because there is so much hate in the world.I am not without my share of pain and violence...I just can't stand the feeling I have when I hate, so I choose not to. If the concept is impossible to apply, then don't. I counted....u used 11 Times "I". It's not about u or me or someone else,lid. I pray lord krishna to not allow such hard time for anyone else & I'm literally no one to apply / not apply that concept to that family. They must have sent their young son to FOREIGN with plenty of dreams in their mind & would have never thought of such tragedy. Common men don't think of any revenge / hating ( nor even justice) after that much huge loss & they just lives remaining life desperately.They don't find any interest in hating / loving those sinners & my question too is not about hating / loving the sinners but for the "generalized hating tendency of people" |
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There's nothin you can do to stop this countless cycle of hatred. Every men and women goes through this. Hatred takes several forms. Jealousy, revenge, Irritation. Some people pray to end this but I tell ya... This chit wont stop unless we truly understand the feelings of each other, which I think is too tough.
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