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Topic: Religion in a Relationship
Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:04 PM




THAT IS MY PROBLEM!

School, what they teach you, half of it is a lie.
Sheesh...

But.. shhhhhh.

Not here!


Like Edison and the light bulb. I'm never gonna get over that. :cry:


Yes, exactly.

Paul Revere and his 'midnight ride'.

Etc.

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:06 PM





THAT IS MY PROBLEM!

School, what they teach you, half of it is a lie.
Sheesh...

But.. shhhhhh.

Not here!


Like Edison and the light bulb. I'm never gonna get over that. :cry:


Yes, exactly.

Paul Revere and his 'midnight ride'.

Etc.


And how exactly do you knwo it's a lie? Especially when it comes to things such as history, as your example Edison.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:09 PM






THAT IS MY PROBLEM!

School, what they teach you, half of it is a lie.
Sheesh...

But.. shhhhhh.

Not here!


Like Edison and the light bulb. I'm never gonna get over that. :cry:


Yes, exactly.

Paul Revere and his 'midnight ride'.

Etc.


And how exactly do you knwo it's a lie? Especially when it comes to things such as history, as your example Edison.


*sigh*

..you do know what not here means, right?

Bothers you that much, as Spider. Sure he still has the link.
I'm going to bed..

Long day.

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:22 PM







THAT IS MY PROBLEM!

School, what they teach you, half of it is a lie.
Sheesh...

But.. shhhhhh.

Not here!


Like Edison and the light bulb. I'm never gonna get over that. :cry:


Yes, exactly.

Paul Revere and his 'midnight ride'.

Etc.


And how exactly do you knwo it's a lie? Especially when it comes to things such as history, as your example Edison.


*sigh*

..you do know what not here means, right?

Bothers you that much, as Spider. Sure he still has the link.
I'm going to bed..

Long day.


Bothers me? Doesn't bother me one bit. But truly anything in history is taken on faith being true. You have absolutely no way to prove Edison invented electricity or not. All you have is a third party source, putting faith in what they say to be true.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:23 PM
LOL...

Cause that's not religion at all.

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:27 PM

LOL...

Cause that's not religion at all.


??? What's not religion? o.O Christianity is not about religion, it's about relationship with our God. The Christians have put faith in the scriptures as being true just as you put faith in that Abraham was a president of the USA. Not wanting to or meaning to get into any historical discussions as this is not the place. Just proving a point that you have absolutely no way to know if Abraham was a president of the USA or not besides what you learn from a third party eg., history book.

teadipper's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:27 PM


I live strictly with the principle:

Believe what you will, I'll have no quarrel, so long as you accept me for mine.

This follows majorly with the second principle: Don't shove yours down my throat.

Just saying..


Ditto.

I wasn't always that way. I went through a period of seeking spirituality. Now my beliefs are much like Terri's, though I probably take less from Judaism and more from Lakota Sioux and some Asian religions.


Ya I throw in stuff like Wabi Sabi and all that from studying Asian art but I don't consider it so much religion as philosophy. I don't believe there is one true religion.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:32 PM


LOL...

Cause that's not religion at all.


??? What's not religion? o.O Christianity is not about religion, it's about relationship with our God. The Christians have put faith in the scriptures as being true just as you put faith in that Abraham was a president of the USA. Not wanting to or meaning to get into any historical discussions as this is not the place. Just proving a point that you have absolutely no way to know if Abraham was a president of the USA or not besides what you learn from a third party eg., history book.


Which is the same as saying that if you saw 'him' in everything, what would you call 'him' if someone hadn't already given him a name? Maybe you just see an alien that drew this entire planet with a sharpie.

How is that less ridiculous? You have nothing but second party information, because your references, your knowledge, your 'idea', originated somewhere.

Christianity is a religion. Religion is a relationship with a God. And who are you to tell me what I deem as truth? Especially after i just criticized what they teach in schools? Your sticking with that?

Maybe you see the Easter Bunny in everything. You associate what you see 'everywhere' with the Christian definition of God. Abraham is associated with American's definition of History. I don't know how else to put it anymore bluntly for you...

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:38 PM



LOL...

Cause that's not religion at all.


??? What's not religion? o.O Christianity is not about religion, it's about relationship with our God. The Christians have put faith in the scriptures as being true just as you put faith in that Abraham was a president of the USA. Not wanting to or meaning to get into any historical discussions as this is not the place. Just proving a point that you have absolutely no way to know if Abraham was a president of the USA or not besides what you learn from a third party eg., history book.


Which is the same as saying that if you saw 'him' in everything, what would you call 'him' if someone hadn't already given him a name? Maybe you just see an alien that drew this entire planet with a sharpie.

How is that less ridiculous? You have nothing but second party information, because your references, your knowledge, your 'idea', originated somewhere.

Christianity is a religion. Religion is a relationship with a God. And who are you to tell me what I deem as truth? Especially after i just criticized what they teach in schools? Your sticking with that?

Maybe you see the Easter Bunny in everything. You associate what you see 'everywhere' with the Christian definition of God. Abraham is associated with American's definition of History. I don't know how else to put it anymore bluntly for you...


What in the world are you talking about? You speak as if you've been called a heathen that's gonna burn in hell forever. If you do not believe in the Christian faith, fine, that is by all means your choice. But if you do not believe in the belief, why bother with it? Why post in subjects that are discussing that particular belief?

And no religion is not a relationship. Many people study different religions, but that does not mean they made a relationship with each and every God/Godess they studied.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:41 PM
..it's called being blind to your own blindness..

Truly it's an easy question..
..but you have no answer.
Thus you avoid it, act oblivious.

So, never mind.

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:45 PM

..it's called being blind to your own blindness..

Truly it's an easy question..
..but you have no answer.
Thus you avoid it, act oblivious.

So, never mind.


What question? Truly I did not see a question. Not avoiding anything, again I'm sorry if you posted question I did not see. So please, ask again.

no photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:46 PM



I don't care what religion anyone is as long as they don't care that I'm not religious. If they're going to judge me for not being religious, they're not someone I would want to be with.

My parents are two different religions. They've been married for 40 years this year.


Very good way of looking at it :)


And congradulations on them being married for 40 years :D. That is really great to hear. Again, yes some people can do it, as everyone is different. Some people can cope with other beliefs, some can't. Some people can live with someone of another belief and just let it slide, some can't, ect. But as a general rule, it is unwise to do as such. Not because some book says it or anything like that. Just religion is usually the strongest part of the person, weather that is a belief in a God or not a belief. Or a belief in this God but they believe in that God, ect. But if the two can look past that, it would work out just fine. Just on the general note, people can't look past it. Take for instance, a Christian and a non-Christian. The non-Christian may feel as their spouse looks down on them for their non-belief, or thinks less of them, ect. It could cause differnet little fights on certain things. Could even go as far as making the Christian do less worship in order to please their spous eg., not celebrating Christmas, or any possible number of things.


Actually, all of my mom's sisters married someone who was a different religion. Seems to work ok.

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:53 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Thu 01/12/12 07:54 PM




I don't care what religion anyone is as long as they don't care that I'm not religious. If they're going to judge me for not being religious, they're not someone I would want to be with.

My parents are two different religions. They've been married for 40 years this year.


Very good way of looking at it :)


And congradulations on them being married for 40 years :D. That is really great to hear. Again, yes some people can do it, as everyone is different. Some people can cope with other beliefs, some can't. Some people can live with someone of another belief and just let it slide, some can't, ect. But as a general rule, it is unwise to do as such. Not because some book says it or anything like that. Just religion is usually the strongest part of the person, weather that is a belief in a God or not a belief. Or a belief in this God but they believe in that God, ect. But if the two can look past that, it would work out just fine. Just on the general note, people can't look past it. Take for instance, a Christian and a non-Christian. The non-Christian may feel as their spouse looks down on them for their non-belief, or thinks less of them, ect. It could cause differnet little fights on certain things. Could even go as far as making the Christian do less worship in order to please their spous eg., not celebrating Christmas, or any possible number of things.


Actually, all of my mom's sisters married someone who was a different religion. Seems to work ok.


Also depends on certain things. For instance, did the believer celebrate Christmas, the birth of our savior. Did they keep the Sabbath holy eg., no purchasing and no labouring, ect.? And if the believer did as such, I applaud the non-believer for being civil about it and allowing them to worship their God.

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 01/12/12 07:58 PM





I don't care what religion anyone is as long as they don't care that I'm not religious. If they're going to judge me for not being religious, they're not someone I would want to be with.

My parents are two different religions. They've been married for 40 years this year.


Very good way of looking at it :)


And congradulations on them being married for 40 years :D. That is really great to hear. Again, yes some people can do it, as everyone is different. Some people can cope with other beliefs, some can't. Some people can live with someone of another belief and just let it slide, some can't, ect. But as a general rule, it is unwise to do as such. Not because some book says it or anything like that. Just religion is usually the strongest part of the person, weather that is a belief in a God or not a belief. Or a belief in this God but they believe in that God, ect. But if the two can look past that, it would work out just fine. Just on the general note, people can't look past it. Take for instance, a Christian and a non-Christian. The non-Christian may feel as their spouse looks down on them for their non-belief, or thinks less of them, ect. It could cause differnet little fights on certain things. Could even go as far as making the Christian do less worship in order to please their spous eg., not celebrating Christmas, or any possible number of things.


Actually, all of my mom's sisters married someone who was a different religion. Seems to work ok.


Also depends on certain things. For instance, did the believer celebrate Christmas, the birth of our savior. Did they keep the Sabbath holy eg., no purchasing and no labouring, ect.? And if the believer did as such, I applaud the non-believer for being civil about it and allowing them to worship their God.


Because there is more to a Christian then just belief/faith. And claiming to be a Christian. There's an old saying for this, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a duck.

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Fri 01/13/12 12:09 AM

How important do you think it is that two people in a relationship share religious beliefs?

As you all know, I am tech. Jewish but I, in practice, do what I call the Terri Remix of Religions which is some Judaism, some Christianity esp. Catholicism, and a little Wicca. I am going with a guy who though born Catholic now just identifies as Christian. At this late date, we do not plan to have children. We were both hellions as kids and do not want to be dealing with 20 year old kids similar to us in our sixties so there is no choosing religion for the sake of a child. I do celebrate things like Easter and Christmas. But I do some Judaism like Mezzuzahs on the door posts too and embracing the life cycle.



I think it depends completely on how much those 'beliefs' are a part of your daily life, routines, choices

I think once people are going to share a life together, its much less complicated if they are using similar values and beliefs in their newly shared life

as far as dating, if you stay in seperate homes, its easy to remain 'seperate'

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Fri 01/13/12 07:42 AM


Ya I throw in stuff like Wabi Sabi and all that from studying Asian art but I don't consider it so much religion as philosophy. I don't believe there is one true religion.



That's exactly what I believe. In my eyes, I find many, if not most, religious arguments ridiculous. Every monotheistic religion worships the same God. It is only man's interpretation of that God which differs. Therefore, if all of these teachings were derived from God himself, then the only true way to understand God is to study ALL religions. I like to find the commonality amongst religions, and thereby determine what of these teachings best fit me. After all, if all of these ideas derive from God, then I am doing no wrong in His eyes. On the other hand, those who insist that their way is the only true way - that all must follow this one way or perish in His eyes - are perhaps the most sacrilegious of all, perverting and discarding the many teachings God has imbued upon Earth.

This is why I like Lakota Sioux. Many Sioux converted to Christianity, but they also sought to retain their traditional culture. This lead many Sioux to find a way to reconcile two different belief systems. The result is a rather insightful look at traditional Sioux spiritual belief which was never truly at odds with Christian belief. It was the teachings of Christian men that conflicted with Sioux belief. In effect, narrow minds tried to brainwash Sioux into believing the old way was pagan and wrong. In truth, Sioux believed in only one God (Wankan Tanka - the Great Spirit or Great Mystery). Mother Earth, Father Sky, Grandfather Thunder, etc. were his family, blood of his blood, whom man and all life was ultimately descended from. This is one part of what "mitakuye oyasin" means, we are all family - plants, animals, rock, water, air, and man.


I digress. Point is, it is a very open and accepting belief system which encourages learning and understanding. It was also the last belief I explored while searching to define my own spirituality. So all religions and philosophies I drew upon previously were able to brought together under this one system which allows me to adapt any belief through application of a bit of critical thought, i.e. separate the dogma (man) from the wisdom (God).

This is why no one will ever convert me to a formal religion. It also makes me much more tolerant of other belief systems than I otherwise would be. It taught me that spirituality is between you and God only, and the only person who can alter this is you.

Thus religious arguments are typically are bad, attempting to force one person's will and belief upon another. By contrast, discussions and debates are good, allowing each of us to gain greater understanding of our own spirituality. If you and your partner do the former rather than the latter, then chances are your beliefs are not compatible. It's not about the religion itself. It's about how that person chooses to practice religion.

no photo
Fri 01/13/12 08:55 AM






I don't care what religion anyone is as long as they don't care that I'm not religious. If they're going to judge me for not being religious, they're not someone I would want to be with.

My parents are two different religions. They've been married for 40 years this year.


Very good way of looking at it :)


And congradulations on them being married for 40 years :D. That is really great to hear. Again, yes some people can do it, as everyone is different. Some people can cope with other beliefs, some can't. Some people can live with someone of another belief and just let it slide, some can't, ect. But as a general rule, it is unwise to do as such. Not because some book says it or anything like that. Just religion is usually the strongest part of the person, weather that is a belief in a God or not a belief. Or a belief in this God but they believe in that God, ect. But if the two can look past that, it would work out just fine. Just on the general note, people can't look past it. Take for instance, a Christian and a non-Christian. The non-Christian may feel as their spouse looks down on them for their non-belief, or thinks less of them, ect. It could cause differnet little fights on certain things. Could even go as far as making the Christian do less worship in order to please their spous eg., not celebrating Christmas, or any possible number of things.


Actually, all of my mom's sisters married someone who was a different religion. Seems to work ok.


Also depends on certain things. For instance, did the believer celebrate Christmas, the birth of our savior. Did they keep the Sabbath holy eg., no purchasing and no labouring, ect.? And if the believer did as such, I applaud the non-believer for being civil about it and allowing them to worship their God.


Because there is more to a Christian then just belief/faith. And claiming to be a Christian. There's an old saying for this, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a duck.


It isn't something I really worry about. If it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work for you.

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