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getting booted off and out of the system and into the prisons. Wait... why is that a good idea? Housing addicts in prison is also very expensive. When an addict gets aid from a loving family, at some point they often have an intervention and take steps to convince the addict to go into rehab. Many addicts will run from their loved ones and turn to the state - the state that doesn't know them well enough to know their lies and their addictions, the state that doesn't have the time to investigate them thoroughly, the state that will give them the money to enable their addiction. When addicts find it harder to scam the state for money, they will be proportionally forced to confront their addictions and maybe begin some real healing. I don't think that throwing them in jail is necessarily a good idea. Though I did know one ex-crack addict who said her prison experience helped her to rehabilitate. |
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getting booted off and out of the system and into the prisons. Wait... why is that a good idea? Housing addicts in prison is also very expensive. When an addict gets aid from a loving family, at some point they often have an intervention and take steps to convince the addict to go into rehab. Many addicts will run from their loved ones and turn to the state - the state that doesn't know them well enough to know their lies and their addictions, the state that doesn't have the time to investigate them thoroughly, the state that will give them the money to enable their addiction. When addicts find it harder to scam the state for money, they will be proportionally forced to confront their addictions and maybe begin some real healing. I don't think that throwing them in jail is necessarily a good idea. Though I did know one ex-crack addict who said her prison experience helped her to rehabilitate. It's not about the money...obviously. It's about hate and wanting to see people suffer. |
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getting booted off and out of the system and into the prisons. Wait... why is that a good idea? Housing addicts in prison is also very expensive. When an addict gets aid from a loving family, at some point they often have an intervention and take steps to convince the addict to go into rehab. Many addicts will run from their loved ones and turn to the state - the state that doesn't know them well enough to know their lies and their addictions, the state that doesn't have the time to investigate them thoroughly, the state that will give them the money to enable their addiction. When addicts find it harder to scam the state for money, they will be proportionally forced to confront their addictions and maybe begin some real healing. I don't think that throwing them in jail is necessarily a good idea. Though I did know one ex-crack addict who said her prison experience helped her to rehabilitate. It's not about the money...obviously. It's about hate and wanting to see people suffer. I have to agree. We were having a discussion today about how out of touch those not on welfare tend to be about the reality of how hard and regulated it is. |
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trust me  (Sorry, I spewed all over my screen.) , working in a welfare office the financial assistance is VERY slim and is extremely regulated and verified and re verified and reverified the drug addicts receiving 'welfare' is as rare as the teacher sleeping with their students Im sure it happens, but not enough to consider it the norm or to ask even MORE from those needing help Be nice to see proof of that. Oh, but we will. Just as soon as the numbers of those career welfare junkies start getting booted off and out of the system and into the prisons. Who's up to adopt some ex-welfare kids who become property of the State. Pretty good money in Foster Care Services. this is the cash they receive in nevada the first column is family members the second column is the maximum they can have in income the third row is their monthly cash benefit 1 $1,180 $253 2 1,594 318 3 2,007 383 4 2,421 448 5 2,835 513 6 3,249 578 7 3,663 643 8 4,077 708 thats a slim 100 per month per person to receive that ANY other income has to be reported within a week or there is risk of being kicked off the program any government programs the applicant applies to or taxes they file are reported to the welfare and any discrepency between claims gets them kicked out,,, That's straight 'welfare', right? As opposed to general relief, food stamps, disability, or crazy check? When I interview people about their forms of aid, how they got it, how they use it, I don't always discriminate between the different kinds of assistance, except between "those that come as cash" and "those that don't." to receive that ANY other income has to be reported within a week or there is risk of being kicked off the program That reminds me - I think one of my current friends got caught scamming the (unemployment) system. She just lost her job and was denied unemployment because "they made a mistake last time". She gets assistance from her parents, she saved up money before she lost her job, and she lives a lifetsyle (rent, food, etc) thats THREE times as expensive as mine. The first thing she did when she lost her job was pay her rent three months in advance, in order to get that money out of her bank account, so she could go to the various government assistance agencies and say "I have no money!". |
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You obviously know nothing about the actual situation of many that are on welfare. Years ago I did some inspections for investors purchasing housing "projects". Virtually everyone was on welfare and the amount of drug paraphernalia in the units was incredible. And it was that way everywhere. Yes, welfare recipient drug addicts are on their absolute best behavior when they go to the welfare office. They train each other in how to scam the system, and they rehearse their lies before they go in. For these reasons, anyone working in welfare is likely to have a completely wrong perception of how bad the scamming is. Once, when I was travelling, I met crazy-check drug addict who (wrongly) assumed I was without money or income. (Well I was without income that particular week because I was on vacation.) He wanted to make a deal with me, that he would walk me through the procedure for scamming the governent assistance system, insisting that I was 100% guaranteed to get a check (I think he said $760 a month - this was probably in 2009, for those of you who know the inner workings of these things). He said that after I completed the initial qualification process, I just had to file some paperwork a few times a year to keep it going, indefinitely. He'd been on it himself for many, many years (he also worked cash-jobs under the table, he lived in a motor home, ate at the soup kitchen, and had a TON of disposable money to spend on his favorite drugs), and he had successfully trained a half dozen people to scam the system. He wanted me to promise him 50% of my first few checks. This conversation happened after I'd already spent 5 years meeting and interviewing people like him, so none of this came as any surprise to me. Well, the amount seemed low - some of my crazy check friends in socal said they got closer to $900 and others said $1200. as I said, there are probably offices and regions where the workers are too lazy to follow the policies already in place for verification and validation sounds like your friend found one of those places in this region, recipients have to do community service or other work related activity and its several hours a week and those who they do the work for report their behaviors if they are off I gotta' call BS on that work-for-welfare statement unless, you have state proof. I looked it up and Nevada has the same program as they have here. $2,000.00 max on TANF and the other medicaid and SNAP. Saw nothing different. Will report back and apologize tomorrow after I call and ask them if they have a work-fo-welfare program |
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I think any body who is being helped by the county,state or goverment should be pulled off the drug line. Sorry guys but if you cant afford them you need to put them down you cant have your cake and eat it to.
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getting booted off and out of the system and into the prisons. Wait... why is that a good idea? Housing addicts in prison is also very expensive. When an addict gets aid from a loving family, at some point they often have an intervention and take steps to convince the addict to go into rehab. Many addicts will run from their loved ones and turn to the state - the state that doesn't know them well enough to know their lies and their addictions, the state that doesn't have the time to investigate them thoroughly, the state that will give them the money to enable their addiction. When addicts find it harder to scam the state for money, they will be proportionally forced to confront their addictions and maybe begin some real healing. I don't think that throwing them in jail is necessarily a good idea. Though I did know one ex-crack addict who said her prison experience helped her to rehabilitate. It's not about the money...obviously. It's about hate and wanting to see people suffer. I don't think anyone posting here wants to see people suffer. I just think people have different ideas of what personal responsibility means, and how the failure to exercise personal responsibility should be handled. As far as it being 'about the money', I support spending government money on proven programs that work to help people get back on their feet, and I also support efforts to minimize the corruption of those systems. |
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You obviously know nothing about the actual situation of many that are on welfare. Years ago I did some inspections for investors purchasing housing "projects". Virtually everyone was on welfare and the amount of drug paraphernalia in the units was incredible. And it was that way everywhere. Yes, welfare recipient drug addicts are on their absolute best behavior when they go to the welfare office. They train each other in how to scam the system, and they rehearse their lies before they go in. For these reasons, anyone working in welfare is likely to have a completely wrong perception of how bad the scamming is. Once, when I was travelling, I met crazy-check drug addict who (wrongly) assumed I was without money or income. (Well I was without income that particular week because I was on vacation.) He wanted to make a deal with me, that he would walk me through the procedure for scamming the governent assistance system, insisting that I was 100% guaranteed to get a check (I think he said $760 a month - this was probably in 2009, for those of you who know the inner workings of these things). He said that after I completed the initial qualification process, I just had to file some paperwork a few times a year to keep it going, indefinitely. He'd been on it himself for many, many years (he also worked cash-jobs under the table, he lived in a motor home, ate at the soup kitchen, and had a TON of disposable money to spend on his favorite drugs), and he had successfully trained a half dozen people to scam the system. He wanted me to promise him 50% of my first few checks. This conversation happened after I'd already spent 5 years meeting and interviewing people like him, so none of this came as any surprise to me. Well, the amount seemed low - some of my crazy check friends in socal said they got closer to $900 and others said $1200. as I said, there are probably offices and regions where the workers are too lazy to follow the policies already in place for verification and validation sounds like your friend found one of those places in this region, recipients have to do community service or other work related activity and its several hours a week and those who they do the work for report their behaviors if they are off I gotta' call BS on that work-for-welfare statement unless, you have state proof. I looked it up and Nevada has the same program as they have here. $2,000.00 max on TANF and the other medicaid and SNAP. Saw nothing different. Will report back and apologize tomorrow after I call and ask them if they have a work-fo-welfare program from division of welfare site 'NEON is Nevada's employment and training program whose purpose is to reduce or eliminate dependency by providing employment, education, training and support services to TANF NEON recipients. NEON participation is TANF eligibility requirement for all nonexempt household members. Exempt individuals, usually single parents with children under a year old, or minor parents with children under twelve weeks, are given the option to voluntarily participate. Participants are placed in different components including orientation to work, job search workshops, educational activities, skill training and Community Work Experience (CWEP). When mandatory registrants do not cooperate, they are sanctioned and the TANF benefits are terminated. ' neon is a requirement for TANF(cash) benefits |
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You obviously know nothing about the actual situation of many that are on welfare. Years ago I did some inspections for investors purchasing housing "projects". Virtually everyone was on welfare and the amount of drug paraphernalia in the units was incredible. And it was that way everywhere. Yes, welfare recipient drug addicts are on their absolute best behavior when they go to the welfare office. They train each other in how to scam the system, and they rehearse their lies before they go in. For these reasons, anyone working in welfare is likely to have a completely wrong perception of how bad the scamming is. Once, when I was travelling, I met crazy-check drug addict who (wrongly) assumed I was without money or income. (Well I was without income that particular week because I was on vacation.) He wanted to make a deal with me, that he would walk me through the procedure for scamming the governent assistance system, insisting that I was 100% guaranteed to get a check (I think he said $760 a month - this was probably in 2009, for those of you who know the inner workings of these things). He said that after I completed the initial qualification process, I just had to file some paperwork a few times a year to keep it going, indefinitely. He'd been on it himself for many, many years (he also worked cash-jobs under the table, he lived in a motor home, ate at the soup kitchen, and had a TON of disposable money to spend on his favorite drugs), and he had successfully trained a half dozen people to scam the system. He wanted me to promise him 50% of my first few checks. This conversation happened after I'd already spent 5 years meeting and interviewing people like him, so none of this came as any surprise to me. Well, the amount seemed low - some of my crazy check friends in socal said they got closer to $900 and others said $1200. as I said, there are probably offices and regions where the workers are too lazy to follow the policies already in place for verification and validation sounds like your friend found one of those places in this region, recipients have to do community service or other work related activity and its several hours a week and those who they do the work for report their behaviors if they are off I gotta' call BS on that work-for-welfare statement unless, you have state proof. I looked it up and Nevada has the same program as they have here. $2,000.00 max on TANF and the other medicaid and SNAP. Saw nothing different. Will report back and apologize tomorrow after I call and ask them if they have a work-fo-welfare program from division of welfare site 'NEON is Nevada's employment and training program whose purpose is to reduce or eliminate dependency by providing employment, education, training and support services to TANF NEON recipients. NEON participation is TANF eligibility requirement for all nonexempt household members. Exempt individuals, usually single parents with children under a year old, or minor parents with children under twelve weeks, are given the option to voluntarily participate. Participants are placed in different components including orientation to work, job search workshops, educational activities, skill training and Community Work Experience (CWEP). When mandatory registrants do not cooperate, they are sanctioned and the TANF benefits are terminated. ' neon is a requirement for TANF(cash) benefits Then, I apologize. I hope they adhere to the $2,000.00 max for TANF. When the training or other work program is completed, they should have had time to get a job. If not, solly Charlie. I see, Nevada has a day care assistance program, as well. With all the pro-dope crowd growing, testing for welfare would be a great deal. As we all know, smokin' and/or growin' dope is a Federal crime. |
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I believe drug testing, for any reason, is retarded.
You're not tested to see if you're an alcoholic, are you? Yes, I know there is the difference of one being 'legal' and the other, not so much. However, it is also fact that the average death toll from smoking marijuana is, has been, and will always remain at 0; because there's nothing truly toxic in it. Long term side effects, such as memory loss, I don't think it's that horrendous compared to that of things that are legalized. Such as alcohol. Now, back to the actual question at hand, since the facts don't match those of my statement thus far, nor this actual question: If employers HAVE to drug test their candidates, and it is those same candidates that ultimately support those on welfare.. Yes, I do agree they should have to submit testing samples as well. Most those I know on Welfare are not only users, but most of them are also dealers. Thus, they are making tons of green while getting green for free. Further note; I think welfare itself is a retarded scenario. How do you consider it a 'government' plan, when they don't actually pay for it? It's hard enough living to support you and yours, let alone everyone else's family. Especially when most of them have absolutely no intention of even finding work. |
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getting booted off and out of the system and into the prisons. Wait... why is that a good idea? Housing addicts in prison is also very expensive. When an addict gets aid from a loving family, at some point they often have an intervention and take steps to convince the addict to go into rehab. Many addicts will run from their loved ones and turn to the state - the state that doesn't know them well enough to know their lies and their addictions, the state that doesn't have the time to investigate them thoroughly, the state that will give them the money to enable their addiction. When addicts find it harder to scam the state for money, they will be proportionally forced to confront their addictions and maybe begin some real healing. I don't think that throwing them in jail is necessarily a good idea. Though I did know one ex-crack addict who said her prison experience helped her to rehabilitate. It's not about the money...obviously. It's about hate and wanting to see people suffer. I don't think anyone posting here wants to see people suffer. As much as I would like to believe that...I don't . : ) If it were about money, then there would be an interest in testing congress. They get what, about 100k a year or more. A welfare recipient is receiving a drop in the bucket in comparison Our society has learned to despise the poor. This is just another way of humiliating them. |
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They get what, about 100k a year or more. What's his face gets 600,000 a year. So, I think you underpaid them. Which they'd totally chew you out for. >:] |
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I think any body who is being helped by the county,state or goverment should be pulled off the drug line. Sorry guys but if you cant afford them you need to put them down you cant have your cake and eat it to. Would that include anyone who receives a government check? Cause that would be a whole lot of people, not just the poor getting a welfare check. |
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This is just another way of humiliating them. It should only offend the dopers. 10 to 1 they won't even show for the test. If someone is truly needy, they won't be dopin'. |
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This is just another way of humiliating them. It should only offend the dopers. 10 to 1 they won't even show for the test. If someone is truly needy, they won't be dopin'. It's not about offending anyone...it's about what's fair. There are MANY government checks that go out each month...we should test ALL who get a check, not just poor people getting welfare. Ever have an addiction willing? |
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As we all know, smokin' and/or growin' dope is a Federal crime. Many of us in cali just don't see it that way!  (I mean, we know that you are factually correct, but a lot just don't care.) Yes, I know there is the difference of one being 'legal' and the other, not so much. I think that alcoholics being on cash-based government assistance is something to look at, as well. If it were about money, then there would be an interest in testing congress. They get what, about 100k a year or more. A welfare recipient is receiving a drop in the bucket in comparison Oh, I see better what you were getting at. Well there are two things about the welfare drug addict situation I find offensive which don't apply to the congressperson situation... For one, people who support a more generous or indiscriminate welfare system are sometimes hurting the people they want to help. I just think this is terrible. By handing addicts cash, in some cases, we are giving people the means to destroy themselves. And the other is that drug abuse is especially offensive to me when we are just giving people money for the purpose of helping themselves. Its different when you work for the money. That said, I'm not against testing congresspeople. I'm not passionate about getting drugs out of congress, but any little step to clean out people who lack character or respect for the laws of the land can only be good. As far as the money thing, I see that going both ways. Sure, a single welfare recipient gets a pittance compared to a single congressperson, but when it comes to the total burden on our countries finances I'd wager that our government assistance programs cost over 1000x as much as the total congressional salaries. |
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I'd wager that our government assistance programs cost over 1000x as much as the total congressional salaries. In 2009: $13,686,420.83 in wages was paid to State Senators and Representatives in Illinois alone. In 2009: $65.6 million was paid out in Welfare to the entire U.S. This according to CBS News. You do the math, my friend. |
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As we all know, smokin' and/or growin' dope is a Federal crime. Many of us in cali just don't see it that way! (I mean, we know that you are factually correct, but a lot just don't care.) Yes, I know there is the difference of one being 'legal' and the other, not so much. I think that alcoholics being on cash-based government assistance is something to look at, as well. If it were about money, then there would be an interest in testing congress. They get what, about 100k a year or more. A welfare recipient is receiving a drop in the bucket in comparison Oh, I see better what you were getting at. Well there are two things about the welfare drug addict situation I find offensive which don't apply to the congressperson situation... For one, people who support a more generous or indiscriminate welfare system are sometimes hurting the people they want to help. I just think this is terrible. By handing addicts cash, in some cases, we are giving people the means to destroy themselves. And the other is that drug abuse is especially offensive to me when we are just giving people money for the purpose of helping themselves. Its different when you work for the money. That said, I'm not against testing congresspeople. I'm not passionate about getting drugs out of congress, but any little step to clean out people who lack character or respect for the laws of the land can only be good. As far as the money thing, I see that going both ways. Sure, a single welfare recipient gets a pittance compared to a single congressperson, but when it comes to the total burden on our countries finances I'd wager that our government assistance programs cost over 1000x as much as the total congressional salaries. It isn't just congress massage. There are a gazillion (exaggeration) different government checks...we are zeroing in on strictly food stamp and tanf recipients. I don't drug and I don't get welfare, doesn't affect me either way. I'm just seeing this scream unfair! We are singling out the very poor and assuming the worst about them..because they are poor. Other wise disability, SSI..etc. recipients would have to also test. |
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However, these numbers are only considering the cash and housing end of it.
Not Medical Benefits or Food Stamps. |
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Other wise disability, SSI..etc. recipients would have to also test. Disability? You're gonna be on meds. :D |
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