Topic: The Government is Like Diapers
Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 01/03/12 07:23 AM
I can appreciate the time and energy put into the op....
and distrust my government completely.

As a single mother i find some comments a bit harsh and even some tones of racism.

We DO have an obligation to help one another..
I would not want to be part of a society that
did not feel a moral obligation to help their fellow humans.

**** the government...

WE need each other. It would behoove us to be more open to kindness.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 01/03/12 09:51 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 01/03/12 09:56 AM

I can appreciate the time and energy put into the op....
and distrust my government completely.

As a single mother i find some comments a bit harsh and even some tones of racism.

We DO have an obligation to help one another..
I would not want to be part of a society that
did not feel a moral obligation to help their fellow humans.

**** the government...

WE need each other. It would behoove us to be more open to kindness.



drinker

Gov't has a small role by definition, but an important one. Their job is to "provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare".... Not regulate peoples rights, but defend them! Not promote war and restrict liberties, but to provide defense of OUR nation and OUR freedoms!

Their role is not leadership, but governance, UNDER THE LAWS of the constitution, NOT however they translate them and change them to read through tyrannical, nonsupported vote!

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 01/03/12 10:06 AM

Oh and also on the Amish and Indian cultures thing, something else you're not understanding that sin more or less pointed out without saying it, is that though this idea of no real government to speak of seems so idealistic and not realistic to you, they prove it is not because they actually do it. Is it something that we'd need to adjust to? Yes. But it is absolutely doable and they are living proof.
only reason it works is because they are a Minority within the System!try replace the System with the Amish Lifestyle and all hell would break loose!
They exist because of the System,NOT in spite of it!

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Tue 01/03/12 12:52 PM
Did you guys ever see the youtube video..

"The Girl Who Silenced the World for 9 Minutes"?

(Or was it 4 minutes?)

Well, regardless..

It's about a 12 year old girl, I believe from Canada.
Her and her three friends raised money specifically for the sole purpose of speaking at the U.N.; like 4,000 miles away from home.

If everybody would not only listen to what she says...
...but act upon it and openly use it in our daily lives..
.....that girl could change the world for the better.

S'all I'm saying.

Idk if your permitted to put links in here or not?

But it's on youtube.

It's really touching. :]

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Tue 01/03/12 12:56 PM

I can appreciate the time and energy put into the op....
and distrust my government completely.

As a single mother i find some comments a bit harsh and even some tones of racism.

We DO have an obligation to help one another..
I would not want to be part of a society that
did not feel a moral obligation to help their fellow humans.

**** the government...

WE need each other. It would behoove us to be more open to kindness.



It wasn't meant to be racist
However; my experiences, that I've listed.
..that is racism against me.

Regardless,
I am sorry if I offended anyone.
It was not in anyway made to be taken like that.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 01/03/12 12:58 PM

Did you guys ever see the youtube video..

"The Girl Who Silenced the World for 9 Minutes"?

(Or was it 4 minutes?)

Well, regardless..

It's about a 12 year old girl, I believe from Canada.
Her and her three friends raised money specifically for the sole purpose of speaking at the U.N.; like 4,000 miles away from home.

If everybody would not only listen to what she says...
...but act upon it and openly use it in our daily lives..
.....that girl could change the world for the better.

S'all I'm saying.

Idk if your permitted to put links in here or not?

But it's on youtube.

It's really touching. :]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sb6RmRMbBY

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Tue 01/03/12 01:00 PM


Ha, I guess that's a yes?

:X

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 01/03/12 01:08 PM

They all applaud her....from their seats, no standing ovation... business as usual!

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Tue 01/03/12 01:18 PM
Ha, I'm just impressed that they actually looked like they were paying attention.. :D

Well, thanks for sharing that link for me. :]

Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 01/03/12 02:47 PM


I can appreciate the time and energy put into the op....
and distrust my government completely.

As a single mother i find some comments a bit harsh and even some tones of racism.

We DO have an obligation to help one another..
I would not want to be part of a society that
did not feel a moral obligation to help their fellow humans.

**** the government...

WE need each other. It would behoove us to be more open to kindness.



It wasn't meant to be racist
However; my experiences, that I've listed.
..that is racism against me.

Regardless,
I am sorry if I offended anyone.
It was not in anyway made to be taken like that.


You didn't offend me,
Just voicing my thoughts.

and the girl, that silenced the world...

She's all grown up now and still an activist.
She is the daughter of David Suzuki of Canada,
The environmental scientist.

It's a great clip for sure.

no photo
Tue 01/03/12 06:35 PM
Eventually the Empire will fall.

It crumbles as we speak.


Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Wed 01/04/12 11:20 PM
Get a job.
Go to work.
Get married.
Have children.
Follow fashion.
Act normal.
Walk on the pavement.
Obey the law.
Save for old age.

Now repeat after me:

"I AM FREE"

msharmony's photo
Wed 01/04/12 11:23 PM
I AM FREE

my limits exist mostly in my own head and once I overcome them, Im even FREER,,,

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Wed 01/04/12 11:30 PM
"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged."

- R. Reagan


Kleisto's photo
Wed 01/04/12 11:46 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Wed 01/04/12 11:47 PM

"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged."

- R. Reagan




Disagree, religion binds as much as anything else cause it puts limits on what one can do according to what they THINK God, Allah, etc says. Freedom and religion can't work together, cause freedom means to be able to act without a limitation so long as you aren't harming another person, religion in setting limitations goes against that.

But then perhaps that's your point idk lol.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Wed 01/04/12 11:48 PM


"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged."

- R. Reagan




Disagree, religion binds as much as anything else cause it puts limits on what one can do according to what they THINK God, Allah, etc says. Freedom and religion can't work together, cause freedom means to be able to act without a limitation so long as you aren't harming another person, religion in setting limitations goes against that.

But then perhaps that's your point idk lol.


Take it up with Raegan. XD

I put it up for a different reason..
..but I'm afraid to say why..
'Cause she'll argue even that. :O

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Wed 01/04/12 11:56 PM
Let's do a math problem. :D

Freedom A + Freedom B = X

To figure out X..

Freedom A - Is the concept of Freedom devised, run, and operated by a Government.

Freedom B - Is the concept devised under, by, and through God

Freedom A, which was written taking Freedom B into consideration, can either be a positive or negative number

Freedom B, was created by the Will of God; over 5/6ths of which is contradicted by Freedom A

So, knowing these facts, does X = Freedom?

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/05/12 12:00 AM

"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged."

- R. Reagan





lets break it down

Freedom (the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action)

prospers (to become strong and flourishing)

when religion (a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith )


is vibrant (pulsating with life)

and the rule of law Under God (too broad to define)

is aknowledged (to disclose knowledge of or agreement with )



so, the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice becomes strong when a cause, principle, or belief held to with faith is pulsing with life and twe disclose knowledge of the rule of law under God


seems reasonable, unless the definition of coercion is expanded broadly to include influence of all types,,,or choices made to avoid negative consequence

in which case, freedom is unattainable and unnatural,,,

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Thu 01/05/12 12:02 AM


"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged."

- R. Reagan





lets break it down

Freedom (the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action)

prospers (to become strong and flourishing)

when religion (a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith )


is vibrant (pulsating with life)

and the rule of law Under God (too broad to define)

is aknowledged (to disclose knowledge of or agreement with )



so, the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice becomes strong when a cause, principle, or belief held to with faith is pulsing with life and twe disclose knowledge of the rule of law under God


seems reasonable, unless the definition of coercion is expanded broadly to include influence of all types,,,or choices made to avoid negative consequence

in which case, freedom is unattainable and unnatural,,,



..Uh huh.

..do go on.

You didn't finish your point.

:)

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/05/12 12:02 AM

Let's do a math problem. :D

Freedom A + Freedom B = X

To figure out X..

Freedom A - Is the concept of Freedom devised, run, and operated by a Government.

Freedom B - Is the concept devised under, by, and through God

Freedom A, which was written taking Freedom B into consideration, can either be a positive or negative number

Freedom B, was created by the Will of God; over 5/6ths of which is contradicted by Freedom A

So, knowing these facts, does X = Freedom?



Im not sure the last sentence is a fact

but in a HYPOTHETICAL x= freedom A plus freedom B,, not much more and not much less