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Topic: The Apathy of Indifference
Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 01/02/12 02:25 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 02:27 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! well if you are SURE he could have rallied the support,, I cant blame you for blaming him I , however, am not so SURE of any such thing and have seen just how much 'support' he has been given since taking office and trying to get healthcare passed,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 02:27 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! he had no such absolute power,,,never has

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 01/02/12 02:41 PM
The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! So true. The could have vetoed it.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 01/02/12 03:05 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! he had no such absolute power,,,never has He could have vetoed it he threatned to veto it and he didnt. I suppose the only thing a president is good for is to install freedom and democracy in some far away land? How about right here in the USA he now has the power to declare anyone an enemy combatant and haul your butt of to Guantomino yet he does not have the power to veto something that is totaly against everything america stands for? The corperate media has played its part as well by barely covering one of the most important pieces of legislation since the patriot act. We are being betrayed by every institution that is supposed to look out for our interests all of them seeking their slice of one percent pie. I may vote for Obama being the lesser of two evils however if I do any volunteer work it will be for the 99%, the only group it seems that is trying to look out for everyone. as Jim Hightower said "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos"

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 03:16 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! he had no such absolute power,,,never has He could have vetoed it he threatned to veto it and he didnt. I suppose the only thing a president is good for is to install freedom and democracy in some far away land? How about right here in the USA he now has the power to declare anyone an enemy combatant and haul your butt of to Guantomino yet he does not have the power to veto something that is totaly against everything america stands for? The corperate media has played its part as well by barely covering one of the most important pieces of legislation since the patriot act. We are being betrayed by every institution that is supposed to look out for our interests all of them seeking their slice of one percent pie. I may vote for Obama being the lesser of two evils however if I do any volunteer work it will be for the 99%, the only group it seems that is trying to look out for everyone. as Jim Hightower said "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos" a veto is not absolute power ,it stands up against the checks and balances that allows the congress to overried it,,,

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 01/02/12 03:37 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! he had no such absolute power,,,never has He could have vetoed it he threatned to veto it and he didnt. I suppose the only thing a president is good for is to install freedom and democracy in some far away land? How about right here in the USA he now has the power to declare anyone an enemy combatant and haul your butt of to Guantomino yet he does not have the power to veto something that is totaly against everything america stands for? The corperate media has played its part as well by barely covering one of the most important pieces of legislation since the patriot act. We are being betrayed by every institution that is supposed to look out for our interests all of them seeking their slice of one percent pie. I may vote for Obama being the lesser of two evils however if I do any volunteer work it will be for the 99%, the only group it seems that is trying to look out for everyone. as Jim Hightower said "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos" a veto is not absolute power ,it stands up against the checks and balances that allows the congress to overried it,,, Yea and he didnt veto it forceing a vote and further public discussion. I am leaning more and more towards Ron Paul every day. I will probably switch over to Independant tommorrow just so I hav the option on election day.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 03:40 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! he had no such absolute power,,,never has He could have vetoed it he threatned to veto it and he didnt. I suppose the only thing a president is good for is to install freedom and democracy in some far away land? How about right here in the USA he now has the power to declare anyone an enemy combatant and haul your butt of to Guantomino yet he does not have the power to veto something that is totaly against everything america stands for? The corperate media has played its part as well by barely covering one of the most important pieces of legislation since the patriot act. We are being betrayed by every institution that is supposed to look out for our interests all of them seeking their slice of one percent pie. I may vote for Obama being the lesser of two evils however if I do any volunteer work it will be for the 99%, the only group it seems that is trying to look out for everyone. as Jim Hightower said "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos" a veto is not absolute power ,it stands up against the checks and balances that allows the congress to overried it,,, Yea and he didnt veto it forceing a vote and further public discussion. I am leaning more and more towards Ron Paul every day. I will probably switch over to Independant tommorrow just so I hav the option on election day. he didnt veto it forcing further discussion and using more time for a one in three chance at a change in mood of the majority and risking losing even MORE ground on those parts that were desirable,,,,

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 01/02/12 03:43 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! he had no such absolute power,,,never has He could have vetoed it he threatned to veto it and he didnt. I suppose the only thing a president is good for is to install freedom and democracy in some far away land? How about right here in the USA he now has the power to declare anyone an enemy combatant and haul your butt of to Guantomino yet he does not have the power to veto something that is totaly against everything america stands for? The corperate media has played its part as well by barely covering one of the most important pieces of legislation since the patriot act. We are being betrayed by every institution that is supposed to look out for our interests all of them seeking their slice of one percent pie. I may vote for Obama being the lesser of two evils however if I do any volunteer work it will be for the 99%, the only group it seems that is trying to look out for everyone. as Jim Hightower said "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos" a veto is not absolute power ,it stands up against the checks and balances that allows the congress to overried it,,, Yea and he didnt veto it forceing a vote and further public discussion. I am leaning more and more towards Ron Paul every day. I will probably switch over to Independant tommorrow just so I hav the option on election day. he didnt veto it forcing further discussion and using more time for a one in three chance at a change in mood of the majority and risking losing even MORE ground on those parts that were desirable,,,, Can I borrow your rose colored glasses?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 03:45 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! he had no such absolute power,,,never has He could have vetoed it he threatned to veto it and he didnt. I suppose the only thing a president is good for is to install freedom and democracy in some far away land? How about right here in the USA he now has the power to declare anyone an enemy combatant and haul your butt of to Guantomino yet he does not have the power to veto something that is totaly against everything america stands for? The corperate media has played its part as well by barely covering one of the most important pieces of legislation since the patriot act. We are being betrayed by every institution that is supposed to look out for our interests all of them seeking their slice of one percent pie. I may vote for Obama being the lesser of two evils however if I do any volunteer work it will be for the 99%, the only group it seems that is trying to look out for everyone. as Jim Hightower said "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos" a veto is not absolute power ,it stands up against the checks and balances that allows the congress to overried it,,, Yea and he didnt veto it forceing a vote and further public discussion. I am leaning more and more towards Ron Paul every day. I will probably switch over to Independant tommorrow just so I hav the option on election day. he didnt veto it forcing further discussion and using more time for a one in three chance at a change in mood of the majority and risking losing even MORE ground on those parts that were desirable,,,, Can I borrow your rose colored glasses? I dont have those, but you can research the powers a president has and how bills become law and what is included in bills and how long they can take to create and come to agreement on them, and how many issues can be addressed in any one bill and,,,, well, we can start there,,,

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 01/02/12 03:47 PM
might be because people been telling you all about Obama from the get go! After all,he could have vetoed it,but didn't! That statement deserves a bump. Yes he could have and he would have had the approval of most americans behind him. you mean the americans that kept the congress from passing the bill in the first place? oh wait,, they didnt,,, The buck didnt stop at his desk did it? I am sure if Obama wished he could have rallied enough dems and even some republicans to the cause of freedom and democracy knoweing full well most americans would side with him. Its a massive betrayal by all but one man had the power to stop it and he didnt! he had no such absolute power,,,never has He could have vetoed it he threatned to veto it and he didnt. I suppose the only thing a president is good for is to install freedom and democracy in some far away land? How about right here in the USA he now has the power to declare anyone an enemy combatant and haul your butt of to Guantomino yet he does not have the power to veto something that is totaly against everything america stands for? The corperate media has played its part as well by barely covering one of the most important pieces of legislation since the patriot act. We are being betrayed by every institution that is supposed to look out for our interests all of them seeking their slice of one percent pie. I may vote for Obama being the lesser of two evils however if I do any volunteer work it will be for the 99%, the only group it seems that is trying to look out for everyone. as Jim Hightower said "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos" a veto is not absolute power ,it stands up against the checks and balances that allows the congress to overried it,,, Yea and he didnt veto it forceing a vote and further public discussion. I am leaning more and more towards Ron Paul every day. I will probably switch over to Independant tommorrow just so I hav the option on election day. he didnt veto it forcing further discussion and using more time for a one in three chance at a change in mood of the majority and risking losing even MORE ground on those parts that were desirable,,,, Can I borrow your rose colored glasses? I dont have those, but you can research the powers a president has and how bills become law and what is included in bills and how long they can take to create and come to agreement on them, and how many issues can be addressed in any one bill and,,,, well, we can start there,,, If you realy think that how the world works then you do have rose colored glasses.

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Mon 01/02/12 03:48 PM Edited by Seakolony on Mon 01/02/12 03:51 PM
Out of 2564 vetoes only 110 have ever been overridden in the history of the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 03:50 PM
I dont just THINK it, I can remember when I was first TAUGHT it, back in elementary,,, here is a refresher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxT7QjlvDqM

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 01/02/12 03:55 PM
I dont just THINK it, I can remember when I was first TAUGHT it, back in elementary,,, here is a refresher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxT7QjlvDqM I have grown up alot since grade school.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 03:58 PM
I dont just THINK it, I can remember when I was first TAUGHT it, back in elementary,,, here is a refresher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxT7QjlvDqM I have grown up alot since grade school. me too, but I dont think the consititution has,,,lol

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Mon 01/02/12 04:06 PM
I dont just THINK it, I can remember when I was first TAUGHT it, back in elementary,,, here is a refresher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxT7QjlvDqM I have grown up alot since grade school. me too, but I dont think the consititution has,,,lol You're right it regressed

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 04:13 PM
Out of 2564 vetoes only 110 have ever been overridden in the history of the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes thats great, sure meant alot to people like Pierce, Buchanan, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and George W Bush the 'trend' varies greatly depending upon the President and THIS president has had close to nothing but a fight against ANYTHING He has tried to support,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 01/02/12 04:15 PM
I dont just THINK it, I can remember when I was first TAUGHT it, back in elementary,,, here is a refresher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxT7QjlvDqM I have grown up alot since grade school. me too, but I dont think the consititution has,,,lol You're right it regressed its a living document, supposedly, and life changes,,so I Expect it to change as well,,,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Mon 01/02/12 04:24 PM Edited by Seakolony on Mon 01/02/12 04:26 PM
Out of 2564 vetoes only 110 have ever been overridden in the history of the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes thats great, sure meant alot to people like Pierce, Buchanan, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and George W Bush the 'trend' varies greatly depending upon the President and THIS president has had close to nothing but a fight against ANYTHING He has tried to support,,, 111th congress held 56 Democratic seats out of 98 seats giving the majority to the democrats 2 of the remaining 42 were independent. The democrats held a majority of the house for the first time since 1994. How exactly was he opposed at the onset of his presidency??

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Mon 01/02/12 04:27 PM
I dont just THINK it, I can remember when I was first TAUGHT it, back in elementary,,, here is a refresher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxT7QjlvDqM I have grown up alot since grade school. me too, but I dont think the consititution has,,,lol You're right it regressed its a living document, supposedly, and life changes,,so I Expect it to change as well,,, Funny I thought you just said the constitution didnt change.....hmmmm