Topic: Fact vs Opinion
msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 08:01 AM



There is no doubt about it the Internet is the greatest invention ever.

Thank you Tim Berners -Lee...drinker drinker drinker


I think the greatest inventions are books and indoor plumbing. I actually think we were better people before the internet,,,,but thats just me


one fact is that time moves on - maybe we need to learn to be better people with the internet. it's not going away. it is our new frontier



learning starts from earning, the more instant, easy , and entitled we become, the harder it will be for us to 'learn' much of anything,,,

John8659's photo
Fri 12/23/11 08:06 AM


learning starts from earning, the more instant, easy , and entitled we become, the harder it will be for us to 'learn' much of anything,,,


Now you are on to something that is quite true.

Because the human mind is just learning to think, the way it has structured its environment is actually inhibiting it from progress.

Or more simply, civilization's greatest threat is itself.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 08:12 AM



learning starts from earning, the more instant, easy , and entitled we become, the harder it will be for us to 'learn' much of anything,,,


Now you are on to something that is quite true.

Because the human mind is just learning to think, the way it has structured its environment is actually inhibiting it from progress.

Or more simply, civilization's greatest threat is itself.



yep, but its just so dang addicting,,,I think Im weaning myself off over the next several years,,,lol (If society allows it)

John8659's photo
Fri 12/23/11 08:18 AM
Edited by John8659 on Fri 12/23/11 08:19 AM
The mind is meant to construct human will, that is the first step. The second is how to add and subtract human will (society) to effect the same ends.

Right now, society is hardly more than a heap of people, perhaps one should work to make it more than a heap.

krupa's photo
Fri 12/23/11 02:04 PM


There is no doubt about it the Internet is the greatest invention ever.

Thank you Tim Berners -Lee...drinker drinker drinker


I think the greatest inventions are books and indoor plumbing. I actually think we were better people before the internet,,,,but thats just me



For me...my opinion is that the single most important invention is the plow. With the advent of really effective agriculture, and eliminating the need to hunt or forage, it freed up a lot of time for humanity to spend it's brain power and ingenuity elsewhere....basically every other field I can think of.


oldhippie1952's photo
Fri 12/23/11 02:16 PM


There is no doubt about it the Internet is the greatest invention ever.

Thank you Tim Berners -Lee...drinker drinker drinker


I think the greatest inventions are books and indoor plumbing. I actually think we were better people before the internet,,,,but thats just me


And here I was thinking it was man putting the wheel and lever together....but that would leave out the cultivation of fire. Now you gone and done make me hurt boonedoggy's feelings.

krupa's photo
Fri 12/23/11 02:19 PM
Wait a minute.....

Doggy has feelings?

Huh!

I had no idea!

:)

boonedoggy61's photo
Fri 12/23/11 02:53 PM
rant rant I heard that Krupa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




















laugh laugh laugh

krupa's photo
Fri 12/23/11 02:57 PM
Dude...your skull is on fire and you seem fine with it. I just assumed......

boonedoggy61's photo
Fri 12/23/11 03:04 PM

Dude...your skull is on fire and you seem fine with it. I just assumed......










yeah and ya know what happens when ya assume..................





LOL

JERMANICUS's photo
Mon 02/06/12 04:41 PM
Two Topics I will not discuss, Politics and religion.What I believe is irrelevant to anybody,but me. Opinions are like a@#holes everybody has one and it stinks!

no photo
Mon 02/06/12 04:49 PM
Opinions are like @zzholes.........
Everyone has one.......
Some just stink worse than others!!!!!

And Thats a.........

Fact!!!!!!

smokin bigsmile smokin

Optomistic69's photo
Mon 02/06/12 05:07 PM


Let us pray for those who cannot
withstand the religion forums.


Pray extra hard for me. If I spend too much time in there I end up deactivating.


As bad as that...laugh

I spend a lot of time on Politics but I gave up on religion a long time ago...drinker drinker drinker

rille89's photo
Tue 02/07/12 07:41 PM
a fact is an opinion, until another opinion stands stronger "then it's no longer a fact".
a fact is based on an opinion.

when you make a fact, you make it from you'r opinion. Then other join this opinion and it becomes an common fact. if the majority later dissaprov it, it aint no longer a fact.

kind of whats happening to old man Newtons facts in these days. more and more of them ar proven wrong based on new opinions.

ergo: fact = opinion :wink:

no photo
Tue 02/07/12 07:53 PM

A fact is something that is true about a subject and can be tested or proven.
Look for clues such as: " 56% of...., or "The patient experienced..."



An opinion is what someone thinks about that subject.

Look for clues such as: "I believe...", "It's obvious...", or "They should..."



....scary to see how modern internet culture has made the ability to distinguish between the two such a rare skill,,,


I agree that not seeing the difference is a concern -even with your 56%, it's important to ask, 56% of what?

but I don't think it's the fault of internet culture so much as it is the "dumbing down" of educational expectations (particularly in public school) to where that type pf critical thinking is not adhered to as a main priority

not teaching students to think is as much a short fall as not expecting the mastery of basic skills (really another topic)

also the media editorializes where they should not- in the past opinion was never permitted outside the editorial page




no photo
Tue 02/07/12 07:57 PM

a fact is an opinion, until another opinion stands stronger "then it's no longer a fact".
a fact is based on an opinion.

when you make a fact, you make it from you'r opinion. Then other join this opinion and it becomes an common fact. if the majority later dissaprov it, it aint no longer a fact.

kind of whats happening to old man Newtons facts in these days. more and more of them ar proven wrong based on new opinions.

ergo: fact = opinion :wink:



a fact is a fact until it is disproven - he came in the door at 2pm is a fact

it;s an opinion that he looked tired

if it is somehow proven (thru electronic monitoring for example) that he came in th door at 205:06 - then we alter our fact t obe more exact or say approximately 2 pm

judgements are opinions - he looked or he seemed anxious or he looked like he was on drugs < opinions

the facts that support an opinion, the more sound it is and harded it is to change the opinion

rille89's photo
Tue 02/07/12 08:14 PM
Edited by rille89 on Tue 02/07/12 08:14 PM


a fact is a fact until it is disproven - he came in the door at 2pm is a fact

"if you chose to follow time, wich is an opinion"


it;s an opinion that he looked tired

if it is somehow proven (thru electronic monitoring for example) that he came in th door at 205:06 - then we alter our fact t obe more exact or say approximately 2 pm

yes. we adjust the facts to fit most peoples opinions



judgements are opinions - he looked or he seemed anxious or he looked like he was on drugs < opinions

the facts that support an opinion, the more sound it is and harded it is to change the opinion


the opinions that support an fact, the more sound it is and harded it is to change the fact

rille89's photo
Tue 02/07/12 08:18 PM
it's my opinion, and therfor my fact, until i chose to change my opinion.

no photo
Tue 02/07/12 08:20 PM

it's my opinion, and therfor my fact, until i chose to change my opinion.


hunny the only fact is that it is your opinionlaugh

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Tue 02/07/12 08:25 PM



a fact is a fact until it is disproven - he came in the door at 2pm is a fact

"if you chose to follow time, wich is an opinion"


it;s an opinion that he looked tired

if it is somehow proven (thru electronic monitoring for example) that he came in th door at 205:06 - then we alter our fact t obe more exact or say approximately 2 pm

yes. we adjust the facts to fit most peoples opinions



judgements are opinions - he looked or he seemed anxious or he looked like he was on drugs < opinions

the facts that support an opinion, the more sound it is and harded it is to change the opinion


the opinions that support an fact, the more sound it is and harded it is to change the fact


evidence supports facts

opinons can be supported by facts the more the betters

for facts to support an opinion you need many - he looked tired - but for it to be a FACT that he was tired

well...his eyes were droopy - ok but not proof

he SAID he was tired because he only slept 3 hrs last night- OK - now it's a fact -

BUT once someone else reports that is what he said....it is second and third hand and diluted - circumstantial even conjecture