A distinction should be made between traditional anti-Semitism, which should be condemned and Muslim hatred for Jews, which stems from the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, Gutman said. He also argued that an Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty will significantly diminish Muslim anti-Semitism.

I have noticed that all those complaining about the alleged jew bashing have all gathered together on the drone thread.

No one complains about the gung-ho attitude towards Islam and Muslim

We are all supposed to be equal in the eyes of........

Birds of a feather.......


Anyone who wants peace should not advocate war

The drone gang are angry that Obama is being diplomatic.

Everyone who has said something to you about your jew bashing is now bashing muslims? Gotta love grouping everyone together.

That is a personal attack...should report but an apology will suffice

That is a personal attack...should report but an apology will suffice

I have noticed that all those complaining about the alleged jew bashing have all gathered together on the drone thread.

No one complains about the gung-ho attitude towards Islam and Muslim

We are all supposed to be equal in the eyes of........

Birds of a feather.......


Anyone who wants peace should not advocate war

The drone gang are angry that Obama is being diplomatic.

I don't think that is a road you want to go down..

The Myth of Israel’s Pre-1967 Borders


Jeff Dunetz

The mainstream media reports about the May 15 Palestinian violence which accompanied the Nabka Day protests all talked about the desire to establish a Palestinian state within the pre-June 1967 borders. Even “moderate” terrorist PA President Abbas reaffirmed that position.

“A Palestinian state is inevitable, the whole world supports the end of the occupation,” Abbas said, reaffirming the aim to establish a state on the pre-1967 borders.

Of course there are many issues with Abbas’ position, such as the Palestinians stated position that they have no intention of making a real peace but a hudna, a temporary peace that would enable them to rearm, train and finally attack Israel and drive the Jews off “their” land.

Even if the Palestinians were to change their minds about wiping the Jewish State off the map, there would remain another major barrier to Israel reverting to the pre-June 1967 borders….they do not exist!

What Abbas knows but won’t admit is that there is no such thing as pre-1967 borders. That “green line” running through the West Bank is the 1949 Armistice Line. The armistice line was created solely because that’s Israeli and Arab forces stopped fighting at the end of the War of Independence (with some added adjustments in certain sectors). It was if the whistle blew and everyone dropped their gear. That 1949 line, that people call 1967 border, is really only a military line. But don’t believe me, believe the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan:

Article II of the 1949 Armistice Agreement with the Jordanians explicitly specified that the line that was designated did not compromise any future territorial claims of the two parties, since it had been “dictated by exclusively by military considerations.” Of course the Jordanian rationale for that clause is to allow them to claim territory inside the armistice line for their very own.

Even the “famous” UN Resolution 242 which was passed by the UN Security Council five months after the Six-Day War recognized that the 1949 Armistice line was not supposed to designate final Israeli borders.

Anti-Israel forces changed the meaning of 242 by adding one simple article to the resolution: “the.” They claim that 242 calls for Israel to withdraw from “the” territories taken during the Six-Day War. The resolution actually says that “Israel should withdraw from territories” taken during the war (no article). Adding the article changes the meaning from withdrawing from some territories to all territories.

It was no accident “the” was left out. Diplomats are very exact in their language. During the negotiations to create resolution 242, Arab governments tried three times to have “the” inserted in the resolution and their request was rejected. But, by repeating what they wanted the resolution to say all these years, the Arabs succeed in convincing many people to accept their distorted interpretation of 242.

Statements made by the drafters of 242 prove there is no ambiguity about what they meant.

Lord Caradon, sponsor of the draft that was about to be adopted, stated, before the vote in the Security Council on Resolution 242:

“… the draft Resolution is a balanced whole. To add to it or to detract from it would destroy the balance and also destroy the wide measure of agreement we have achieved together. It must be considered as a whole as it stands. I suggest that we have reached the stage when most, if not all, of us want the draft Resolution, the whole draft Resolution and nothing but the draft Resolution.” (S/PV 1382, p. 31, of 22.11.67)

Michael Stewart, (Great Britain) Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, in reply to a question in Parliament, 17 November 1969:

“Question: “What is the British interpretation of the wording of the 1967 Resolution? Does the Right Honourable Gentleman understand it to mean that the Israelis should withdraw from all territories taken in the late war?”

Mr. Stewart: “No, Sir. That is not the phrase used in the Resolution. The Resolution speaks of secure and recognized boundaries. These words must be read concurrently with the statement on withdrawal.”

George Brown, British Foreign Secretary in 1967, on January 19, 1970:

“I have been asked over and over again to clarify, modify or improve the wording, but I do not intend to do that. The phrasing of the Resolution was very carefully worked out, and it was a difficult and complicated exercise to get it accepted by the UN Security Council. “I formulated the Security Council Resolution. Before we submitted it to the Council, we showed it to Arab leaders. The proposal said ‘Israel will withdraw from territories that were occupied’, and not from ‘the’ territories, which means that Israel will not withdraw from all the territories.” (The Jerusalem Post, January 3 1970)

Arthur Goldberg, US representative, in the Security Council in the course of the discussions which preceded the adoption of Resolution 242:

“To seek withdrawal without secure and recognized boundaries … would be just as fruitless as to seek secure and recognized boundaries without withdrawal. Historically, there have never been secure or recognized boundaries in the area. Neither the armistice lines of 1949 nor the cease-fire lines of 1967 have answered that description… such boundaries have yet to be agreed upon. An agreement on that point is an absoute essential to a just and lasting peace just as withdrawal is… S/PV. 1377, p. 37, of 15. 11.67

Joseph Sisco, Assistant Secretary of State, 12 July 1970 (NBC “Meet the Press”):

“That Resolution did not say ‘withdrawal to the pre-June 5 lines’. The Resolution said that the parties must negotiate to achieve agreement on the so-called final secure and recognized borders. In other words, the question of the final borders is a matter of negotiations between the parties.”

Eugene V. Rostow, Professor of Law and Public Affairs, Yale University, who, in 1967, was US Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs:

“… Paragraph 1 (i) of the Resolution calls for the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces ‘from territories occupied in the recent conflict’, and not ‘from the territories occupied in the recent conflict’. Repeated attempts to amend this sentence by inserting the word ‘the’ failed in the Security Council. It is, therefore, not legally possible to assert that the provision requires Israeli withdrawal from all the territories now occupied under the cease-fire resolutions to the Armistice Demarcation lines.” (American Journal of International Law, Volume 64, September 1970, p. 69)

Geraldo de Carvalho Silos, Brazilian UN representative, speaking in the Security Council after the adoption of Resolution 242:

“We keep constantly in mind that a just and lasting peace in the Middle East has necessarily to be based on secure, permanent boundaries freely agreed upon and negotiated by the neighboring States.” (S/PV. 1382, p. 66,22.11.67 ).

When it comes to Israel, the world has a very short memory. Not only were there no 1967 borders, but there was never an intention for Israel to move back to the 1949 armistice lines. That’s also why the president’s call for Israel to stop building communities outside the 1949 armistice lines is so absurd. It is also why the UN is being disingenuous every time they call for Israel to retreat to the 1967 borders, since it was the UN who first declared that there were no such thing as 1967 borders.

http://docstalk.blogspot.com/2011/05/myth-of-israels-pre-1967-borders.html

Jew-Hate,or Judeophobia stems from willfully misrepresenting the Truth about a People!
Started with the Catholic Church,continued with Luther, Hitler,and his Friend al-Husseini,the "Mufti Of Jerusalem",and now keeps going with the Islamo-Fascists and their Supporters!

I have noticed that all those complaining about the alleged jew bashing have all gathered together on the drone thread.

No one complains about the gung-ho attitude towards Islam and Muslim

We are all supposed to be equal in the eyes of........

Birds of a feather.......


Anyone who wants peace should not advocate war

The drone gang are angry that Obama is being diplomatic.

There are no'67 Borders!
There are only '49 Armistice-Lines,which the Arabs themselves excluded from being permanent!

There isn't and never was a State Of Palestine!
You're sorely misinformed,or trying to foist some more Disinformation on the Public!
Read History,then talk!




Jerusalem was never the Capital of any Arab-State and never will be!
It's not even mentioned in the Koran!



http://www.rosenblit.com/Law.htm

Israel Like Northern Ireland's A Protestant State For A Protestant People Was not Thought Through.

It doesn't work...It shouldn't work

In Northern Ireland 40% of the population were supposed to accept what was given rather than a right...


It was flawed from the outset, not thought through and a lot of people died.

There is many a similarity between Palestine and Northern Ireland.

They have one major thing in common......The Last Empire Created both catastrophes.

The US and The UK have a moral duty to rectify the injustice.

We are at peace here in Northern Ireland but the healing will take many more years.

To those of you who advocate war instead of diplomacy.....Think Again.

Israel Like Northern Ireland's A Protestant State For A Protestant People Was not Thought Through.

It doesn't work...It shouldn't work

In Northern Ireland 40% of the population were supposed to accept what was given rather than a right...


It was flawed from the outset, not thought through and a lot of people died.

There is many a similarity between Palestine and Northern Ireland.

They have one major thing in common......The Last Empire Created both catastrophes.

The US and The UK have a moral duty to rectify the injustice.

We are at peace here in Northern Ireland but the healing will take many more years.

To those of you who advocate war instead of diplomacy.....Think Again.

Jew-Hate,or Judeophobia stems from willfully misrepresenting the Truth about a People!
Started with the Catholic Church,continued with Luther, Hitler,and his Friend al-Husseini,the "Mufti Of Jerusalem",and now keeps going with the Islamo-Fascists and their Supporters!

In the four weeks I have been here on Mingle,
and with your posts elsewhere which I have pointed out the errors of,
you still refuse to accept historical facts,
which just goes to show your true feelings on it all! (not that I or most on here had any doubts of anyway).