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If they are religious their motives are more visible to everyone around them. Rewards after death. 
Well, if you are that good at judging an individual's motives, perhaps you should get a job in the justice system. Juries all over the country struggle with trying to determine an individual's motives and intentions. But, you obviously have it all figured out. 
Just for the record...which religions are we talking about here? All of them? Just Christians? Jews? Pagan? Hindus? Muslims? Voudon? Santeria? All religions that promise after life rewards apply here. And it is obvious if they are religious what they believe their rewards are. Not a lot of deduction needed there. Atheists who are charitable are not going to get that reward so they are more charitable. It is obvious also. No, not all. Christianity doesn't teach you'll get something in return for your good works. It's not like you could do 100 good deeds in expecting 100 good things back on you. The action(s) is/are not done in search of a reward. They are done to be obedient to our father. What is the reward for obedience? It is a believed reward that is not available to all who are not in favor. Making it a reward that makes the charity less charitable. |
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And it is obvious if they are religious what they believe their rewards are. It is obvious? I don't know a single Christian who can agree on anything. I, for one, am a Catholic who does not believe in rewards after death. So, I guess you would have been wrong about my beliefs if you judged me on my stated religion. 
I am truly surprised that you posted this thread. I have seen you chastise people time and again here for "judging" others. And, you have done just that. You have lumped together a whole segment of society and judged them based on what you think you know. I am truly shocked. No joke. |
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Talk about denial. Okay one more time. Yes, the religious believe they get more rewards for the charitable acts than those who are not religious. And technically this makes them at an advantage in the rewards department from an atheist in their mind. Making their acts of charity less charitable. Who cares what their motivation is? As long as the charity is getting the help they need. No one can really judge another's motives. If they are religious their motives are more visible to everyone around them. Rewards after death. It's not about the rewards. It's about loving our God and in doing as such, obeying his commands. Not out of fear, not out of a possible reward, out of love and obedience to our father. Okay and I will assume you are not being hypocritical but confused. You contradict yourself in your own post. And where might this "contradiction" be? I stated we obey out of love, not for the gain for oneself. What is the result of the "love"? It is a belived reward that is not available to those not in "approval" status. Why do I have to explain this? What are you talking about? God's love is for everyone. It is not "earned". It is freely given to anyone and everybody regardless of their beliefs, regardless of anything. And we don't love God in search of a reward. If one loves someone/something in hopes to receive something for that love, it's not truly love. It's conniving. |
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And it is obvious if they are religious what they believe their rewards are. It is obvious? I don't know a single Christian who can agree on anything. I, for one, am a Catholic who does not believe in rewards after death. So, I guess you would have been wrong about my beliefs if you judged me on my stated religion.
I am truly surprised that you posted this thread. I have seen you chastise people time and again here for "judging" others. And, you have done just that. You have lumped together a whole segment of society and judged them based on what you think you know. I am truly shocked. No joke. What kind of Catholic are you?
I am not making a judgment, just stating the facts of the matter. Religious (who believe in after death life) believe they get more reward for their actions then atheists. That is a fact of the matter. No judgement needed. |
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Only those works that survive GOD'S REFINING FIRE have eternal value and will be worthy of reward. Those valuable works are referred to as “gold, silver, and costly stones” (1 Corinthians 3:12) and are those things that are built upon the foundation of faith in Christ. Those works that will not be rewarded are called “wood, hay, and stubble”; these are not evil deeds but SHALLOW ACTIVITIES with NO ETERNAL VALUE . Rewards will be distributed at the “judgment seat of Christ,” a place where believers’ lives will be evaluated for the purpose of rewards. “Judgment” of believers never refers to punishment for sin. Jesus Christ was punished for our sin when He died on the cross, and God said about us: “I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more” (Hebrews 8:12). What a glorious thought! The Christian need never fear punishment, but can look forward to crowns of reward that he can CAST AT THE FEET OF THE SAVIOUR. 
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Talk about denial. Okay one more time. Yes, the religious believe they get more rewards for the charitable acts than those who are not religious. And technically this makes them at an advantage in the rewards department from an atheist in their mind. Making their acts of charity less charitable. Who cares what their motivation is? As long as the charity is getting the help they need. No one can really judge another's motives. If they are religious their motives are more visible to everyone around them. Rewards after death. It's not about the rewards. It's about loving our God and in doing as such, obeying his commands. Not out of fear, not out of a possible reward, out of love and obedience to our father. Okay and I will assume you are not being hypocritical but confused. You contradict yourself in your own post. And where might this "contradiction" be? I stated we obey out of love, not for the gain for oneself. What is the result of the "love"? It is a belived reward that is not available to those not in "approval" status. Why do I have to explain this? What are you talking about? God's love is for everyone. It is not "earned". It is freely given to anyone and everybody regardless of their beliefs, regardless of anything. And we don't love God in search of a reward. If one loves someone/something in hopes to receive something for that love, it's not truly love. It's conniving. I am going to assume you are not being hypocritical here also since if your first four sentences were true, there would be no heaven or hell or working for approval or suffering non approval. |
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What kind of Catholic are you?
Wow. Just wow. |
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Talk about denial. Okay one more time. Yes, the religious believe they get more rewards for the charitable acts than those who are not religious. And technically this makes them at an advantage in the rewards department from an atheist in their mind. Making their acts of charity less charitable. Who cares what their motivation is? As long as the charity is getting the help they need. No one can really judge another's motives. If they are religious their motives are more visible to everyone around them. Rewards after death. It's not about the rewards. It's about loving our God and in doing as such, obeying his commands. Not out of fear, not out of a possible reward, out of love and obedience to our father. Okay and I will assume you are not being hypocritical but confused. You contradict yourself in your own post. And where might this "contradiction" be? I stated we obey out of love, not for the gain for oneself. What is the result of the "love"? It is a belived reward that is not available to those not in "approval" status. Why do I have to explain this? What are you talking about? God's love is for everyone. It is not "earned". It is freely given to anyone and everybody regardless of their beliefs, regardless of anything. And we don't love God in search of a reward. If one loves someone/something in hopes to receive something for that love, it's not truly love. It's conniving. I am going to assume you are not being hypocritical here also since if your first two sentences were true, there would be no heaven or hell or working for approval or suffering non approval. Why would the be no need for Heaven or Hell? Hell is not for mankind, mankind will never go to "Hell". Heaven is our God's home, that is where he abodes. And what are you talking about with the approval and non approval? Who's getting approved for what and by who? And what suffering? Hard times in life are not "sufferings". They are lessons learned and what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. |
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Only those works that survive GOD'S REFINING FIRE have eternal value and will be worthy of reward. Those valuable works are referred to as “gold, silver, and costly stones” (1 Corinthians 3:12) and are those things that are built upon the foundation of faith in Christ. Those works that will not be rewarded are called “wood, hay, and stubble”; these are not evil deeds but SHALLOW ACTIVITIES with NO ETERNAL VALUE . Rewards will be distributed at the “judgment seat of Christ,” a place where believers’ lives will be evaluated for the purpose of rewards. “Judgment” of believers never refers to punishment for sin. Jesus Christ was punished for our sin when He died on the cross, and God said about us: “I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more” (Hebrews 8:12). What a glorious thought! The Christian need never fear punishment, but can look forward to crowns of reward that he can CAST AT THE FEET OF THE SAVIOUR.
gotquestions.org Your post contradicts itself. How can one be placed in 'judgement' if the crime has been forgotten? re - "God said about us: “I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more” (Hebrews 8:12)." you posted above. Kinda hard to 'prosecute' a crime when the paper work has been shredded. Why worry about reward in the life after. Live this one. It exists in your reality. |
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What kind of Catholic are you?
Wow. Just wow. Being an ex Catholic myself I know you are not being a "good" Catholic with those beliefs. Of course no judgement because I am worse...lol |
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What kind of Catholic are you?
Wow. Just wow. Being an ex Catholic myself I know you are not being a "good" Catholic with those beliefs. Of course no judgement because I am worse...lol who decides what a 'good' catholic is , or a good anything else its fairly subjective based on each of our personal lives,, perhaps, according to the catholics you were raised amongst, certain beliefs are not 'good' but that isnt necessarily an absolute standard for ALL catholics (or anyone else) |
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What kind of Catholic are you?
Wow. Just wow. Being an ex Catholic myself I know you are not being a "good" Catholic with those beliefs. Of course no judgement because I am worse...lol who decides what a 'good' catholic is , or a good anything else its fairly subjective based on each of our personal lives,, perhaps, according to the catholics you were raised amongst, certain beliefs are not 'good' but that isnt necessarily an absolute standard for ALL catholics (or anyone else) No organized religion is a "personal" belief. They are all designed with doctrines and rules. Catholicism is pretty basic in what is "good" practice and what is not. I am the worst one of all time since I don't believe any of it. |
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Back on topic though.
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What kind of Catholic are you?
Wow. Just wow. Being an ex Catholic myself I know you are not being a "good" Catholic with those beliefs. Of course no judgement because I am worse...lol who decides what a 'good' catholic is , or a good anything else its fairly subjective based on each of our personal lives,, perhaps, according to the catholics you were raised amongst, certain beliefs are not 'good' but that isnt necessarily an absolute standard for ALL catholics (or anyone else) No organized religion is a "personal" belief. They are all designed with doctrines and rules. Catholicism is pretty basic in what is "good" practice and what is not. I am the worst one of all time since I don't believe any of it. religion is a personal belief, the books themself have thousands of examples, stories, morals, which can be interpreted millions of ways. Each person applies those to their personal experiences. |
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Atheist who donate anonymously are really doing something great because they get no reward for their charity outside of a tax deduction which is available to all anyway.
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Atheist who donate anonymously are really doing something great because they get no reward for their charity outside of a tax deduction which is available to all anyway. this is equivalent of saying doctors that save lives are not doing anything great because they get a paycheck its just false logic,,, |
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What kind of Catholic are you?
Wow. Just wow. Being an ex Catholic myself I know you are not being a "good" Catholic with those beliefs. Of course no judgement because I am worse...lol who decides what a 'good' catholic is , or a good anything else its fairly subjective based on each of our personal lives,, perhaps, according to the catholics you were raised amongst, certain beliefs are not 'good' but that isnt necessarily an absolute standard for ALL catholics (or anyone else) No organized religion is a "personal" belief. They are all designed with doctrines and rules. Catholicism is pretty basic in what is "good" practice and what is not. I am the worst one of all time since I don't believe any of it. religion is a personal belief, the books themself have thousands of examples, stories, morals, which can be interpreted millions of ways. Each person applies those to their personal experiences. Organized religions can only so "personal" and the doctrines and rules are not personal they are written and adhered to. So false. |
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Atheist who donate anonymously are really doing something great because they get no reward for their charity outside of a tax deduction which is available to all anyway. this is equivalent of saying doctors that save lives are not doing anything great because they get a paycheck its just false logic,,, As usual, not an accurate analogy at all. so no need to address, it doesn't apply here. |
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Less rewards mean more charitable actions.
Atheist cannot get life after death rewards so they are rewarded less than the religious which makes their actions more charitable. No way around it. |
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What kind of Catholic are you?
Wow. Just wow. Being an ex Catholic myself I know you are not being a "good" Catholic with those beliefs. Of course no judgement because I am worse...lol who decides what a 'good' catholic is , or a good anything else its fairly subjective based on each of our personal lives,, perhaps, according to the catholics you were raised amongst, certain beliefs are not 'good' but that isnt necessarily an absolute standard for ALL catholics (or anyone else) No organized religion is a "personal" belief. They are all designed with doctrines and rules. Catholicism is pretty basic in what is "good" practice and what is not. I am the worst one of all time since I don't believe any of it. religion is a personal belief, the books themself have thousands of examples, stories, morals, which can be interpreted millions of ways. Each person applies those to their personal experiences. Organized religions can only so "personal" and the doctrines and rules are not personal they are written and adhered to. So false. It is a personal relationship with God. The bible, the scriptures, or any of that stuff has almost nothing to do with the relationship with God. The only significance the bible has in the relationship with God, is the knowledge it possess. But the relationship and the walk with God is absolutely personal and one on one and does not involve anyone besides you and God. |
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