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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Fri 11/18/11 11:35 PM
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If people have freedom of movement then they have freedom of choice. I am very open about art and tend to like things that push people out of their comfort zones and make them explore new perspectives however ... Guillermo Vargas - it is way beyond a "freedom of movement and freedom of choice" when you starve a dog in the name of art...some things just go too far. Sorry I didn't make myself clear..that post..If people have freedom of movement then they have freedom of choice. I was talking about people standing watching something that upset them. I couldn't possibly agree with starving a dog and especially in the name of art. |
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For artistic expression, I think some of it needs to be in an enclosed gallery in a privately owned place. Not too long ago I saw a recent video that was of supposed art being performed, where the so-called artist was doing a lousy job of painting body art on nearly nude models on the very public, busy sidewalk in NYC with kids walking by. It was wrong in my opinion and I was disappointed that it was allowed. As long as it was within the law it's OK. Are you objecting to the lousy job of the so-called artist? I don't have the time or inclination for a discussion. I dont know the laws for public nudity in NYC. My opinion was the art sucked and I also did not like what it was displayed on, which were mostly nude to nude models, got it? I thought I was pretty clear with my opinion but apparently not clear enough for you. I have no desire to discuss either but you obviously were objecting to the nudity but decided to cloud your statement with a side issue. Why should nudity upset children or anyone for that matter.? I NEVER cloud my opinion, if someone doesn't like it, it's too bad for them. Clearly, I do not agree that public nudity should be allowed on public streets in the U.S.A. I'm done. |
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I NEVER cloud my opinion, if someone doesn't like it, it's too bad for them. Clearly, I do not agree that public nudity should be allowed on public streets in the U.S.A. I'm done. Now we know where you stand.  I on the other hand believe that there in nothing more normal than nudity and if the weather permitted I would propose a world nudity day. Just imagine that happening. 
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I NEVER cloud my opinion, if someone doesn't like it, it's too bad for them. Clearly, I do not agree that public nudity should be allowed on public streets in the U.S.A. I'm done. Now we know where you stand. I on the other hand believe that there in nothing more normal than nudity and if the weather permitted I would propose a world nudity day. Just imagine that happening. Gross and against my beliefs. Now I'm done! |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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If people have freedom of movement then they have freedom of choice. I am very open about art and tend to like things that push people out of their comfort zones and make them explore new perspectives however ... Guillermo Vargas - it is way beyond a "freedom of movement and freedom of choice" when you starve a dog in the name of art...some things just go too far. Sorry I didn't make myself clear..that post..If people have freedom of movement then they have freedom of choice. I was talking about people standing watching something that upset them. I couldn't possibly agree with starving a dog and especially in the name of art. http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/v/vargas.htm http://www.hoaxbusters.org/faq.html Scroll to "Artist Starves Dog" in the list. Doubtful that took place the way it was portrayed on the Internet a few years ago! Pixels are as patient as Paper when it comes to Hoaxes! |
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I NEVER cloud my opinion, if someone doesn't like it, it's too bad for them. Clearly, I do not agree that public nudity should be allowed on public streets in the U.S.A. I'm done. Now we know where you stand. I on the other hand believe that there in nothing more normal than nudity and if the weather permitted I would propose a world nudity day. Just imagine that happening. Gross and against my beliefs. Now I'm done! Being an Artist I would have thought that would have appealed to your imagination. Are you sure you are Done...I was getting used to your smiling face
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Edited by
ArtGurl
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Sat 11/19/11 08:24 AM
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If people have freedom of movement then they have freedom of choice. I am very open about art and tend to like things that push people out of their comfort zones and make them explore new perspectives however ... Guillermo Vargas - it is way beyond a "freedom of movement and freedom of choice" when you starve a dog in the name of art...some things just go too far. Sorry I didn't make myself clear..that post..If people have freedom of movement then they have freedom of choice. I was talking about people standing watching something that upset them. I couldn't possibly agree with starving a dog and especially in the name of art. Agreed! http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/v/vargas.htm http://www.hoaxbusters.org/faq.html Scroll to "Artist Starves Dog" in the list. Doubtful that took place the way it was portrayed on the Internet a few years ago! Pixels are as patient as Paper when it comes to Hoaxes! It didn't happen as it was originally portrayed but it is no hoax ... The dog died ... the artist captured a sick and dying street dog, tied it up in a gallery and called it art. There are reports that he fed the dog, there are reports he didn't. It kind of doesn't matter. Tying a dying animal up for public view while burning crack in an incense burner just goes against my personal "honour all life" philosophy. While I am VERY liberal with what I will accept as art. This was not ... in my personal view. I get the message he was trying to convey and shock value it definitely had but it still goes against my 'honour all life' sensibilities. |
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If people have freedom of movement then they have freedom of choice. I am very open about art and tend to like things that push people out of their comfort zones and make them explore new perspectives however ... Guillermo Vargas - it is way beyond a "freedom of movement and freedom of choice" when you starve a dog in the name of art...some things just go too far. Sorry I didn't make myself clear..that post..If people have freedom of movement then they have freedom of choice. I was talking about people standing watching something that upset them. I couldn't possibly agree with starving a dog and especially in the name of art. Agreed! http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/v/vargas.htm http://www.hoaxbusters.org/faq.html Scroll to "Artist Starves Dog" in the list. Doubtful that took place the way it was portrayed on the Internet a few years ago! Pixels are as patient as Paper when it comes to Hoaxes! It didn't happen as it was originally portrayed but it is no hoax ... The dog died ... the artist captured a sick and dying street dog, tied it up in a gallery and called it art. There are reports that he fed the dog, there are reports he didn't. It kind of doesn't matter. Tying a dying animal up for public view while burning crack in an incense burner just goes against my personal "honour all life" philosophy. While I am VERY liberal with what I will accept as art. This was not ... in my personal view. I get the message he was trying to convey and shock value it definitely had but it still goes against my 'honour all life' sensibilities. I wonder by what means of Self-Deception he was able to even term this "Art"! I was just setting the Story straight! |
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For me, it doesn't even matter what the motive was, Guillermo Vargas lost all chance of credibility with this one. I have never considered sensationalism and exploitation as art. His work could be produced by anyone lacking artistic ability...
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Sat 11/19/11 09:19 AM
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For me, it doesn't even matter what the motive was, Guillermo Vargas lost all chance of credibility with this one. I have never considered sensationalism and exploitation as art. His work could be produced by anyone lacking artistic ability... |
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This strays abit from the topic I do apologize for that but I felt like sharing a little story.
This thread and some of the comments reminds me of when I was a young wife with a young child walking down the street with my husband and daughter in 1980 Riverside California, when suddently someone drives up behind us and yells, ****** lover. I believed I had a right to love and be with whomever I choose and I did by law but since it offended someone are we saying I didn't have the right to be on that corner, with my husband and child trying to cross the street to get to the bus stop? I have a feeling that might ring true in some readers ears here (not necessarily those who post) but of course it is not true and that is why, thanks to fighters for equal rights, we have anti bullying laws and hate crime laws. Of course it does not change anothers belief but at least it helps make that sort of hatred not be so easily expressed and accepted. |
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This strays abit from the topic I do apologize for that but I felt like sharing a little story. This thread and some of the comments reminds me of when I was a young wife with a young child walking down the street with my husband and daughter in 1980 Riverside California, when suddently someone drives up behind us and yells, ****** lover. I believed I had a right to love and be with whomever I choose and I did by law but since it offended someone are we saying I didn't have the right to be on that corner, with my husband and child trying to cross the street to get to the bus stop? I have a feeling that might ring true in some readers ears here (not necessarily those who post) but of course it is not true and that is why, thanks to fighters for equal rights, we have anti bullying laws and hate crime laws. Of course it does not change anothers belief but at least it helps make that sort of hatred not be so easily expressed and accepted. I think your post is on topic as it speaks to some of the posts others have made concerning how the "precious" values the thread author mentions are all too often exercised at the expense of another .
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This strays abit from the topic I do apologize for that but I felt like sharing a little story. This thread and some of the comments reminds me of when I was a young wife with a young child walking down the street with my husband and daughter in 1980 Riverside California, when suddently someone drives up behind us and yells, ****** lover. I believed I had a right to love and be with whomever I choose and I did by law but since it offended someone are we saying I didn't have the right to be on that corner, with my husband and child trying to cross the street to get to the bus stop? I have a feeling that might ring true in some readers ears here (not necessarily those who post) but of course it is not true and that is why, thanks to fighters for equal rights, we have anti bullying laws and hate crime laws. Of course it does not change anothers belief but at least it helps make that sort of hatred not be so easily expressed and accepted. I think your post is on topic as it speaks to some of the posts others have made concerning how the "precious" values the thread author mentions are all too often exercised at the expense of another . 
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This strays abit from the topic I do apologize for that but I felt like sharing a little story. This thread and some of the comments reminds me of when I was a young wife with a young child walking down the street with my husband and daughter in 1980 Riverside California, when suddently someone drives up behind us and yells, ****** lover. I believed I had a right to love and be with whomever I choose and I did by law but since it offended someone are we saying I didn't have the right to be on that corner, with my husband and child trying to cross the street to get to the bus stop? I have a feeling that might ring true in some readers ears here (not necessarily those who post) but of course it is not true and that is why, thanks to fighters for equal rights, we have anti bullying laws and hate crime laws. Of course it does not change anothers belief but at least it helps make that sort of hatred not be so easily expressed and accepted. I should have realized that word would be censored and I am okay with that...I am sure most everyone got the gist of it....if not let me know and I will explain. |
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I should have realized that word would be censored and I am okay with that...I am sure most everyone got the gist of it....if not let me know and I will explain. Yeah we got the drift..
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I subscribe to the English Common Law system myself ,there are only 3 provisos, 1- that u dont kill anybody, 2- That u harm nobody,3- that u cause nobody any loss of possesions or property. Nothin in there about 'offending' anybody or any other 'pc' crap !
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As a human being i have 'sovereignty' and a God-Given Right to speak my mind, and no suit-wearin,unelected A-Hole in Brussels is goin to dictate to ME wat i can say !!!!
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Sorry but I have to toss a dinger in here....
Does this mean I have to tolerate or accept an intolerant view or belief? Let us say a particular religion preaches domination, subjugation, torture, and murder. Do they have the right and freedom to not only believe in such tenants but have the freedom to act upon them? Take the Jihad. We are expected to tolerate Islam but by their very own words of the Quaran they are at Holy war with anyone NOT of Islam. Now for ANYONE trying to say it is metaphor try saying that about Mein Kamph! Go ahead and try! People ignored Hitler and he did exactly what he said he would do. How many Jews were slaughtered? PLEASE SAY THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED EITHER! I see freedom this way. Freedom is not free. I can tolerate anyone who shows tolerance for me. People who cannot tolerate me do not deserve tolerance. But at least I can choose to live above hate. But am I supposed to love and accept everyone equally in a unfair world? That isn't what is being implied here is it??? 
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Who are you talking to???
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Who are you talking to??? Who does your hair? |
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