Topic: If You Are Unemployed, You Should Starve
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Mon 11/14/11 03:14 PM
This conversation reminds me of an old adage: Give a man a fish, pretty soon, he'll think you owe him the fish.

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Mon 11/14/11 03:17 PM

Let me explain to you why you are wrong and this is much ado about nothing.


Our nation needs to stop doing for people what they can and should do for themselves. Self reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat.


You see, the Michelle Bachmann was talking about people who refuse to work, not people who are unemployed. Anyone who got worked up over this should feel stupid. But I know many of you, so I realize that you won't even admit your mistake and will carry on in your invincible armor of stupidity.


hahahahaha...the lefty way...laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 11/14/11 03:17 PM

This conversation reminds me of an old adage: Give a man a fish, pretty soon, he'll think you owe him the fish.


Why don't we just kill off all the poor and just keep enough servants around to do the cooking and cleaning.


I jest but you might agree

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Mon 11/14/11 03:21 PM


This conversation reminds me of an old adage: Give a man a fish, pretty soon, he'll think you owe him the fish.


Why don't we just kill off all the poor and just keep enough servants around to do the cooking and cleaning.


I jest but you might agree


yea, the US has such a problem in the past for killing off the poor...noway whoa

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Mon 11/14/11 03:48 PM

This conversation reminds me of an old adage: Give a man a fish, pretty soon, he'll think you owe him the fish.
I would like to remind you this is a woman running for president. I suppose she has never met a person who is unemployable? Socialy malformed people or handicapped people or simpy people who cannot follow simple instructions. Should they go without food?

Again here in Ohio we have a program called Ohio works. It places people on welfare in jobs, an example would be a goodwill worker. If they do not show up to work their benefits are cut. Sure the job is nothing to be proud of but it is a first step and they do a necessary job for a charity.

What is most interesting according to my long time girlfriend is that most people forced to work find themselves a real job prettty quick. That is those who are able.

for those unable to work ,we as a descent society will not allow them to suffer or starve.

That is unless your name is Michele Bachmann and you wish to appeal to the most cruel cold callous and crass among us.

Her comments are fit for a bar stool in a low class bar but certainly not worthy of anyone who aspires to be a president.

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Mon 11/14/11 04:02 PM

I would like to remind you this is a woman running for president.


I'm not following...if a person is both a woman and running for president, it's okay to lie about what she said? Does the fact that she's a Conservative factor in?


I suppose she has never met a person who is unemployable?


I wouldn't know. She is talking about people who "will not work", not people who are unable to work. So it's a moot point.


Socialy malformed people or handicapped people or simpy people who cannot follow simple instructions. Should they go without food?


Nobody has said they should.


Again here in Ohio we have a program called Ohio works. It places people on welfare in jobs, an example would be a goodwill worker. If they do not show up to work their benefits are cut. Sure the job is nothing to be proud of but it is a first step and they do a necessary job for a charity.


Why shouldn't goodwill workers have pride in their work? Maybe if there were fewer people like you putting them down for working in a second hand store, more people would want to work there.


What is most interesting according to my long time girlfriend is that most people forced to work find themselves a real job prettty quick. That is those who are able.


That's not really interesting, it's common sense. Working a job builds job skills. Job skills makes one more employable making better jobs available.


for those unable to work ,we as a descent society will not allow them to suffer or starve.


Back to this again. NOBODY HAS SAID THAT THOSE WHO CANNOT WORK SHOULD STARVE. frustrated


That is unless your name is Michele Bachmann and you wish to appeal to the most cruel cold callous and crass among us.


You really need to work on your reading comprehension.


Her comments are fit for a bar stool in a low class bar but certainly not worthy of anyone who aspires to be a president.


So you think that poor people who go to bars think that the unemployable among us should starve? How can you know what they think? Can you even see them from way up there on your high horse? Maybe if you climbed down, you would discover poor people have just as much compassion as you and a hell of a lot less ego.

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Mon 11/14/11 04:05 PM
Our nation needs to stop doing for people what they can and should do for themselves. Self reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat.”

Here is the video:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/08/michele-bachmann-says-if-you-are-unemployed-you-should-starve/

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Mon 11/14/11 04:08 PM


This conversation reminds me of an old adage: Give a man a fish, pretty soon, he'll think you owe him the fish.


Why don't we just kill off all the poor and just keep enough servants around to do the cooking and cleaning.


I jest but you might agree


If I do my own cooking and cleaning, does that mean I get to kill a couple extra poor people? Please say yes...PLEASE! (I would prefer to kill blacks or Mexicans, but I would settle for Irish)

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Mon 11/14/11 04:09 PM

Our nation needs to stop doing for people what they can and should do for themselves. Self reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat.”

Here is the video:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/08/michele-bachmann-says-if-you-are-unemployed-you-should-starve/


A literate man would understand that "will not work" implies that the subject is capable of work.

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Mon 11/14/11 04:09 PM



This conversation reminds me of an old adage: Give a man a fish, pretty soon, he'll think you owe him the fish.


Why don't we just kill off all the poor and just keep enough servants around to do the cooking and cleaning.


I jest but you might agree


If I do my own cooking and cleaning, does that mean I get to kill a couple extra poor people? Please say yes...PLEASE! (I would prefer to kill blacks or Mexicans, but I would settle for Irish)
Wow did you realy say that?

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Mon 11/14/11 04:11 PM

BestInShow wrote:
Wow did you realy say that?


No, of course not. I typed it.

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Mon 11/14/11 04:12 PM


Our nation needs to stop doing for people what they can and should do for themselves. Self reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat.”

Here is the video:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/08/michele-bachmann-says-if-you-are-unemployed-you-should-starve/


A literate man would understand that "will not work" implies that the subject is capable of work.
Even Jesus fed the needy. These Republicans have no Christian values at all, nor do they have humanity.

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Mon 11/14/11 04:14 PM



Our nation needs to stop doing for people what they can and should do for themselves. Self reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat.”

Here is the video:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/08/michele-bachmann-says-if-you-are-unemployed-you-should-starve/


A literate man would understand that "will not work" implies that the subject is capable of work.
Even Jesus fed the needy. These Republicans have no Christian values at all, nor do they have humanity.




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Mon 11/14/11 04:23 PM
Heck I am an atheist but I pretty much agree with this batch of gobly ****.





Deuteronomy 15:10, “Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.”
Proverbs 14:21, “He who despises his neighbor sins, but blessed is he who is kind to the needy.”
Proverbs 19:17 [KJV], “He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.”
Proverbs 29:7, “The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.”
Psalm 82:3-4, “Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”
Job 24:4, “They thrust the needy from the path and force all the poor of the land into hiding.”
Ezekiel 18:16, ” He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked.”
Daniel 4:27, “Therefore, O king, be pleased to accept my advice: Renounce your sins by doing what is right, and your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed. It may be that then your prosperity will continue.”
…and my personal favorite…as it has been demonstrated and so affirmed to myself, to my faith and acts, as by my personal tribulations…is Psalm 41:1-3 [KJV], “Blessed is he that considers the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. The LORD will preserve him, and keep him alive; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies. The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness.”

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Mon 11/14/11 04:25 PM

Heck I am an atheist but I pretty much agree with this batch of gobly ****.





Deuteronomy 15:10, “Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.”
Proverbs 14:21, “He who despises his neighbor sins, but blessed is he who is kind to the needy.”
Proverbs 19:17 [KJV], “He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.”
Proverbs 29:7, “The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.”
Psalm 82:3-4, “Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”
Job 24:4, “They thrust the needy from the path and force all the poor of the land into hiding.”
Ezekiel 18:16, ” He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked.”
Daniel 4:27, “Therefore, O king, be pleased to accept my advice: Renounce your sins by doing what is right, and your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed. It may be that then your prosperity will continue.”
…and my personal favorite…as it has been demonstrated and so affirmed to myself, to my faith and acts, as by my personal tribulations…is Psalm 41:1-3 [KJV], “Blessed is he that considers the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. The LORD will preserve him, and keep him alive; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies. The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness.”



Is there a difference between having money forcefully taken from you and used in ways which you can't control vs giving to the needy out of the good of your heart?

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Mon 11/14/11 06:28 PM


Heck I am an atheist but I pretty much agree with this batch of gobly ****.





Deuteronomy 15:10, “Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.”
Proverbs 14:21, “He who despises his neighbor sins, but blessed is he who is kind to the needy.”
Proverbs 19:17 [KJV], “He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.”
Proverbs 29:7, “The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.”
Psalm 82:3-4, “Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”
Job 24:4, “They thrust the needy from the path and force all the poor of the land into hiding.”
Ezekiel 18:16, ” He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked.”
Daniel 4:27, “Therefore, O king, be pleased to accept my advice: Renounce your sins by doing what is right, and your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed. It may be that then your prosperity will continue.”
…and my personal favorite…as it has been demonstrated and so affirmed to myself, to my faith and acts, as by my personal tribulations…is Psalm 41:1-3 [KJV], “Blessed is he that considers the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. The LORD will preserve him, and keep him alive; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies. The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness.”



Is there a difference between having money forcefully taken from you and used in ways which you can't control vs giving to the needy out of the good of your heart?
Trouble is Michele Bachmann would like to see the people starve.

Didnt Lennin the communist say that?

But the person who made the phrase popular is someone I think Bachmann would very much like to distance herself from. In his 1917 book “The State and Revolution,” Vladimir Lenin adopted the adage “He who does not work shall not eat,” describing it as a key component of the path to pure communism. The statement was subsequently adopted by the Soviet Union in its 1936 Constitution, which is sometimes called the Stalin Constitution. Article 12 reads:

“In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”

Sound familiar?
http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/11/10/michelle-bachmann-closet-leninist/

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Mon 11/14/11 06:33 PM

BestInShow wrote...

Trouble is Michele Bachmann would like to see the people starve.

Didnt Lennin the communist say that?

But the person who made the phrase popular is someone I think Bachmann would very much like to distance herself from. In his 1917 book “The State and Revolution,” Vladimir Lenin adopted the adage “He who does not work shall not eat,” describing it as a key component of the path to pure communism. The statement was subsequently adopted by the Soviet Union in its 1936 Constitution, which is sometimes called the Stalin Constitution. Article 12 reads:

“In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”

Sound familiar?
http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/11/10/michelle-bachmann-closet-leninist/


Yes, it sounds familiar, they are both quoting the Bible. But Lennin misquoted the Bible by saying "does not", where the Bible says "will not". Michelle Bachmann correctly quoted the Bible in her speech, but you continue to pretend that she said "does not".

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Mon 11/14/11 06:40 PM
Edited by Bestinshow on Mon 11/14/11 06:43 PM


BestInShow wrote...

Trouble is Michele Bachmann would like to see the people starve.

Didnt Lennin the communist say that?

But the person who made the phrase popular is someone I think Bachmann would very much like to distance herself from. In his 1917 book “The State and Revolution,” Vladimir Lenin adopted the adage “He who does not work shall not eat,” describing it as a key component of the path to pure communism. The statement was subsequently adopted by the Soviet Union in its 1936 Constitution, which is sometimes called the Stalin Constitution. Article 12 reads:

“In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”



http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/11/10/michelle-bachmann-closet-leninist/


Yes, it sounds familiar, they are both quoting the Bible. But Lennin misquoted the Bible by saying "does not", where the Bible says "will not". Michelle Bachmann correctly quoted the Bible in her speech, but you continue to pretend that she said "does not".



Grammatically, you are correct in her meaning. however, her position on weakening programs that benefit ALL without jobs says clearly that she means to punish all unemployed and not just the ones who refuse to go out and get a job Her words exclude can’t work (for whatever reason)

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Mon 11/14/11 06:49 PM

Grammatically, you are correct in her meaning. however, her position on weakening programs that benefit ALL without jobs says clearly that she means to punish all unemployed and not just the ones who refuse to go out and get a job Her words exclude can’t work (for whatever reason)


I haven't heard the whole speech, so I can't say what else she talked about. You might be right and you might not, but I seriously doubt that a woman who has taken in 23 troubled young girls would want to see helpless people go without support. There are better ways of helping the needy than what we have been doing since LBJ started the Great Society.

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Mon 11/14/11 07:28 PM
I listened to the video and she said "anyone who will not work should not eat." I didn't hear anything about those who were unable to work, lacked skills, or those who lost jobs due to the recession, etc. Perhaps she may need to specify what she means by those who will not work as I think one would have to be pretty niave to include those who are incapable of working. I guess the best example I can give of what I thought she was trying to say was about my friend. My friend was on unemployment and had a job offered to him; he didn't think it was enough money although he could live off it; so turned the job down. He was cut off from unemployment and yes he went without food and almost ended up homeless. Now as for weaking social programs; yes I agree that is heartless.